dbol/test/tren cycle

[Convinced.]

Hey Guys
27 yrs old
188 lbs
13% BF
5'11
will be on a 3-4,000 calorie diet
Have been training for about 9 years
Done about 4 prohormone cycles over the last 4 years, attempted a cycle last year of test E/dbol but the gear was bad and I got really sick in week 2 lasting for over a month...

my goal is to bulk up about 25lbs, and to have 15lbs of that be a lean gain.

Im thinking to do
wks 1-10 Test E 250 2x a week
wks 1-4 Dbol 50 mg ed
wks 4-10 Tren (still researching the dosage on this)
wks 1-10 nolva 10mg eod

pct
wks 10-12 HCV 5,000 iu spread out over 7 days prolly inject eod
wks 10-11 nolva 20 mgs ed
wks 12-14 nolva 10 mgs ed

my diet will probably be around 3500-4k, i have an incredibly high metabolism and before starting to work out was at 140lbs.

I'm wondering if I should run the dbol for 5 or even 6 weeks and/or if i should up the tren to 8 weeks.

planning to do this cycle september. looking for as much criticism pos or neg as possible but more importantly constructive.

[G4R]

I will tell you right now, if you went ahead with the cycle.... dont use the Tren.

Now, that being said, what does your diet look like in detail?

Example:

Meal 1
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 2
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 3
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 4
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 5
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Meal 6
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)
xxxxxxx ( Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg)

Totals: Cal xxg, Fat xxg, Protein xxg, Carbs xxg

[seriousmass]

wks 1-12 Test E 500
wks 1-6 Dbol 50 mg ed

pct
wks 6-14 HCG -- 250iu every 3rd day
wks 14-16 nolva 40 mgs ed
wks 16-18 nolva 20 mgs ed
clomid: 100/50/50/50/

^^ do this cycle instead. Don't do tren; you'll regret the decision. No prohormone could prepare you for the sides tren will throw at you.

Anyways, try and bulk up naturally in the next couple of months leading up to september.

[stpete]

I agree. Just go with the test and d-bol for right now and see how you do on that. You could actually just do test and get some really nice results. Especially if your diet is in check.

[ninesecz]

Yeh Bro, Stay away from the Tren. You have not even done a real cycle of AAS yet you surely do not want to start out with tren! Stick to a single compound of Test with maybe a d-bol kickstart. Will do a lot more for you than you think it would

[Convinced.]

thanks for the feedback thus far guys. Yea, I understand the sides of tren can be pretty harsh. I guess my main reason for throwing it in, is because i've also heard a lot of good about it too and being i tried a cycle of dbol test E last year alone and although I had gains in weight at first, there was virtually know gain in strength, and when i thought about it more I decided to attribute the weight gains to the fact that I had literally doubled my diet.

Are there any other pretty decent simple bulking cycles other than the test e/dbol that I can look into and read up on? I'd really like to just know all options and compare results. I've been reading up a bit on anadrol vs dbol but aside from a few views most prefer dbol.

Ill post my diet up tonight, as I don't have time to do it accurately right now. Also I will bulking up a bit before I start. Most Likely Ill get up to 195-200. but that wont happen till the beginning of summer, as i party a LOTTTTTT in fact since summer i've dropped 15 lbs. mainly because i dont maintain my diet as well and also drinking alcohol actually causes me to lose weight. I plan to give myself about 4-6 weeks not partying and putting my bulking diet back on track before i start. so my cycle may actually even be started the beginning of october or late sept.

[T-MOS]

You have not done a successful cycle yet, so I would just stick with the test/dbol cycle and see how your body handles that FIRST

you can make great gains off just that if your diet is set up correctly

[seriousmass]

Are there any other pretty decent simple bulking cycles other than the test e/dbol that I can look into and read up on? I'd really like to just know all options and compare results. I've been reading up a bit on anadrol vs dbol but aside from a few views most prefer dbol.

Well then substitute the D-bol for the Anadrol. You'll get MUCH more drastic strength and weight gains off A-bombs.

If you don't like that idea... you could always use the cycle I initially proposed to you... and then back-load the cycle with another oral.

(IE) (weeks 8-14) T-bol @ 60mg ED

Just an opinion, but yah, good luck bro.

[ninesecz]

Yeh I agree just stick to a simple cycle if you did not see gains last time it right have been under dosed gear. But normally you sould se some serious strength gains

[Convinced.]

@Tmos
I completely see where you are coming from and I agree as well about not completing a cycle yet. And I know I SHOULD just stick with the simple test e/dbol stack, but just still feeling burned from the last time, so I'm trying to work a back up plan.

@seriousmass
thats exactly what i was thinking about the adrol (as im kind of weary of the dbol due to my last attempt)...but i've heard the gains from adrol fall quickly and are hard to retain even with PCT. (that is just from one friend though who although has been running gear for 6 years his cycles seem to be pretty reckless so I'm have doubts in his credibility) What is your experience?

Also what do you guys think about sus250?? It seems like most people i talk to rave about it and the reviews are positive as well. After reading the profile on this site, I'm wondering if people are just hyping it up...

As of this point I'm leaning towards seriousmass' stack and do the 6 wks dbol or adrol with test e for 12 wks. I think I will also have the t-bol on hand as a back up and for piece of mind.

[T-MOS]

Test is Test !! whether you like test e , test cyp, test prop or the blends like Sust.

I personally like a SINGLE ester compared to multi esters like with Sust, but everyone has their personal favorites, so you just need to try them and see what you like best.

but TEST IS TEST

[Convinced.]

My diet will be as follows:

Meal 1: cal 382g protein 34g fat 1g carbs 32g
Meal 2: cal 524g protein 26g fat 31g carbs 36g
Meal 3: cal 270g protein 28g fat 3.5g carbs 33g
Meal 4: cal 472g protein 43g fat 1g carbs 45g
Meal 5: cal 660g protein 48g fat 18g carbs 71g
Meal 6: cal 810g protein 52g fat 36g carbs 94g
Meal 7: cal 250g protein 43g fat 1g carbs 13g

totals: cal 3368g protein 274g fat 91.5g carbs 291g

This is the diet that just kinda comes to mind from what would be the easiest to do at this moment. I plan to tweak it some more and actually might even make it into 8 meals. (reason for 8, I have a digestive problem and its VERY difficult for me to eat large meals) Also off the bat I'd also be bumping the protein up to 350g. another influence of my diet is I don't know how nor do I have time to cook =xxx my workout time is in the evening usually about 6 or 7pm hence the two large meals before and after. The main way I tweak my diet is with my 7 tubs of proteins carbs and weight gainers that i shuffle into different combination for flavors and cal/protein/carb needs.

[G4R]

What are your goals?

[TractionIssues]

My diet will be as follows:

Meal 1: cal 382g protein 34g fat 1g carbs 32g
Meal 2: cal 524g protein 26g fat 31g carbs 36g
Meal 3: cal 270g protein 28g fat 3.5g carbs 33g
Meal 4: cal 472g protein 43g fat 1g carbs 45g
Meal 5: cal 660g protein 48g fat 18g carbs 71g
Meal 6: cal 810g protein 52g fat 36g carbs 94g
Meal 7: cal 250g protein 43g fat 1g carbs 13g

totals: cal 3368g protein 274g fat 91.5g carbs 291g

This is the diet that just kinda comes to mind from what would be the easiest to do at this moment. I plan to tweak it some more and actually might even make it into 8 meals. (reason for 8, I have a digestive problem and its VERY difficult for me to eat large meals) Also off the bat I'd also be bumping the protein up to 350g. another influence of my diet is I don't know how nor do I have time to cook =xxx my workout time is in the evening usually about 6 or 7pm hence the two large meals before and after. The main way I tweak my diet is with my 7 tubs of proteins carbs and weight gainers that i shuffle into different combination for flavors and cal/protein/carb needs.

My friend that is not what I call a diet, shakes should ONLY be used Post Workout. Real food is 10x better than shakes, you can't just pound down the shakes and hope to grow you need REAL FOOD!! Get your ass in the diet section now!

[Immortal Soldier]

@seriousmass
thats exactly what i was thinking about the adrol (as im kind of weary of the dbol due to my last attempt)...but i've heard the gains from adrol fall quickly and are hard to retain even with PCT. (that is just from one friend though who although has been running gear for 6 years his cycles seem to be pretty reckless so I'm have doubts in his credibility) What is your experience?

He has no experience, he has only ran two cycles, Sust and sust with halo (or whatever he claims)

So I would take all of his advice with a grain of salt, he talks about cycles and compounds like he has run them when he himself has probably never ran a back-load especially with A-bombs, because taking A-bomb towards the end of the cycle and entering PCT will cause loss of gains just because you don't give time for the gains to solidify with the aid of testosterone

[Convinced.]

@TractionIssues
Thanks brother, but I am aware of that. I actually should have written "here are my eating habits" and not "diet". and I 100% agree with you about real food. my time in the military where i had 24/7 access to the chow hall and all you can eat for free and was only drinking about 2 shakes a day is when I was at my peak strength and gains. Unfortunately, I developed a medical complication with my digestive system and it is very difficult for me to eat anything other than small portions, thus I have to INCREDIBLY supplement my diet with shakes. Believe me I'm sooOOOOOOO sick of shakes, and LOVE real food, but when I eat, I literally have to push down and rub my esophogus and stomach for food to properly go down, and even doing so I still cant eat the portions I need to for the gains I want. Back to my "eating habits" thats basically what I do now to keep on my current weight making still little gains. My weight falls off incredibly easily, so I basically just eat whatever as much as I can. I'll put pictures up when I can grab some, I'm not out of shape by any means but I've got plenty of ways to go to meet my goals. I appreciate the direction and you looking out for me!

@going4******
my goals right now are to go from about 190 up to 215 without bloating TOO much, but by next summer to trim down to a lean, solid, maintainable 200. I don't plan on starting my cycle till late sept, early oct as I am still enjoying the summer life and need to get plenty of things in check first.

@immortal soldier
actually the plan for the cycle was to kick start test e with abombs or dbol, (i had bad luck with a bad batch of dbol and feel kind burned so i am considering abombs instead) and to back load with t-bol. I dont know much about tbol so I am researching that now. im also highly considering test prop instead of enan...... I have no problem poking ed or eod so prop which seems to be the main downfall with prop. any advice/comments you have for more than welcomed!

[ninesecz]

My diet will be as follows:

Meal 1: cal 382g protein 34g fat 1g carbs 32g 136cals from Pro 9cals from fat 128cals from carbs... thats 273 calories and you have it listed as 382???
Meal 2: cal 524g protein 26g fat 31g carbs 36g
Meal 3: cal 270g protein 28g fat 3.5g carbs 33g
Meal 4: cal 472g protein 43g fat 1g carbs 45g
Meal 5: cal 660g protein 48g fat 18g carbs 71g
Meal 6: cal 810g protein 52g fat 36g carbs 94g
Meal 7: cal 250g protein 43g fat 1g carbs 13g

totals: cal 3368g protein 274g fat 91.5g carbs 291g

This is the diet that just kinda comes to mind from what would be the easiest to do at this moment. I plan to tweak it some more and actually might even make it into 8 meals. (reason for 8, I have a digestive problem and its VERY difficult for me to eat large meals) Also off the bat I'd also be bumping the protein up to 350g. another influence of my diet is I don't know how nor do I have time to cook =xxx my workout time is in the evening usually about 6 or 7pm hence the two large meals before and after. The main way I tweak my diet is with my 7 tubs of proteins carbs and weight gainers that i shuffle into different combination for flavors and cal/protein/carb needs.

These meals in no way add up look what I put above meal 1! Your Pro/ Fat / Carbs / dont add up to your calories!!

[ninesecz]

9 calories per gram of fat.....4 calories per gram of carb or protein! you are not adding up correctly! if you do not know all these parimetes, you do not know your diet

[Convinced.]

@ninesecz
Ill double check, was just reading off the tub of protein and carbs.

[TractionIssues]

He is using 7 different Tubs of Weight Gainers to get those meals! And you don't understand, you are wasting your money bro, that shit isn't worth crap. I personally would not give a shit if you think it's hard to digest, we all have to force the food down when we wanna grow, that's how it is. Also your weight gainer is only but a percentage of those true numbers because bioavailability is much lower in shakes than real food, not to mention all the essential vitamins minerals etc you are missing out on. This is a very unhealthly and useless "habit" and you need to get back to real food. Like I said, get your ass to the diet section NOW! I cannot stress enough how important food is over shakes, and the intake of only shakes all day long constantly will results in some serious medical condition my friend.

[Convinced.]

@tractionissues
I am looking over the diet section actually right now. About forcing the food down. thats is what I do LITERALLY. I eat until the food starts coming back up (which I'm not even supposed to do according to the Doc....but I don't have many other options). but like i said, im looking over the diet section and my goad is to get my shakes down to only 3 aday. quick one in the morning to hold me over on the drive to work before breakfast, one post workout, and one just before bed. I posted what i posted KNOWING that it needs more than a miracle to get it on track, but i knew that the feedback (even so negative) would still help for me to get where i need to be. I'm not stupid, just ignorant when it comes to what it actually takes to make it to the next level. but i'm also not stubborn and not looking for an easy fix, i completely realize the discipline hard work and strict regiment i need to abide by. "Rome wasn't built in a day"

[TractionIssues]

@tractionissues
I am looking over the diet section actually right now. About forcing the food down. thats is what I do LITERALLY. I eat until the food starts coming back up (which I'm not even supposed to do according to the Doc....but I don't have many other options). but like i said, im looking over the diet section and my goad is to get my shakes down to only 3 aday. quick one in the morning to hold me over on the drive to work before breakfast, one post workout, and one just before bed. I posted what i posted KNOWING that it needs more than a miracle to get it on track, but i knew that the feedback (even so negative) would still help for me to get where i need to be. I'm not stupid, just ignorant when it comes to what it actually takes to make it to the next level. but i'm also not stubborn and not looking for an easy fix, i completely realize the discipline hard work and strict regiment i need to abide by. "Rome wasn't built in a day"

I'm glad you understand it takes hard work, and I am telling you how it's done, if you want results listen to what I say as diet will be the most important factor of you getting results or not for the rest of your training days. This is not only important for results, but just as important for health. No don't just skim through the diet section, go post a thread, tell the guys there your exact situation and why you had this idea of taking 7 shakes a day, and they will try to find foods that are easy to digest, but you really need to lay off shakes bro, truly really truly. I only have a single shakes after workout, and I am soon going to switch it, as I have a great recipe I just made for some PWO Bars that will beat any shake any day of the week. Don't make me get out all the articles of how useless these shakes are... lol go make a post in the diet section...

[Convinced.]

THANKS!!! I will be posting in the Diet section very soon. I just like to read over a bit first so that I can post relevent to the feed back I want and need. and I in reality drink 5 shakes still bad i know, but I'm going to be working on that. You don't need to get all the articles out I believe you. Anything that is a quick and easy replacement is usually no where near what it claims to be.

[yucon92]

I'm glad you understand it takes hard work, and I am telling you how it's done, if you want results listen to what I say as diet will be the most important factor of you getting results or not for the rest of your training days. This is not only important for results, but just as important for health. No don't just skim through the diet section, go post a thread, tell the guys there your exact situation and why you had this idea of taking 7 shakes a day, and they will try to find foods that are easy to digest, but you really need to lay off shakes bro, truly really truly. I only have a single shakes after workout, and I am soon going to switch it, as I have a great recipe I just made for some PWO Bars that will beat any shake any day of the week. Don't make me get out all the articles of how useless these shakes are... lol go make a post in the diet section...

huh shakes are useless that is totally FALSE calories are calories from food or shakes your still getting them so how is that useless?im not saying i agree with not eating and just drinking shakes some people need those shakes. i go for about 4800 clean cals a day and i already eat 6 meals a day tell me how to do that without any shakes