Bulking for COWARDS

[KimboHalfSlice]

It would be great if bodybuilding was just as easy as picking the most POWERFUL steroids and taking them... (and for hardcore bodybuilders this may be the case), but of course different steroids have different side-effects which may not be desirable.

I've just completed my first cycle and I put on about 10 kg of muscle which I'm very happy with. I took Testosterone on its own and I was able to tolerate the side-effects (mostly just excessive sweating, plus fat and water gain). No aggression. No change in sex drive. No irritability. No insomnia.

My next cycle will be a bulking cycle, in that I want to put on as much BEEF as possible. But here's the thing, I'm gonna be a coward about it. There's certain side-effects that I don't want:
1) Insomnia
2) Nausea
3) Irritability

So for instance, that means I probably wanna stay away from Trembolone (which I've heard one too many stories about).

One side-effect which is OK with me is Sex Drive Suppression. 99% of people on this forum seem to hate when their sex drive dies, but I love it, it gives me a break.

So anyway I'm thinking about what compounds to take for my next cycle, but remember... I'm gonna be a coward so I'm gonna shy away from stuff that messes me about in ways I don't like.

I was looking at the "Steroid Effectiveness" chart on this website, and saw that Anavar is listed as THE BEST, so I read up on its side-effects, and they seem to be tolerable for me. If I have any problems with it I'll just down my dosage.

Anyway here's what I'm thinking for my next cycle:
1) Inject Sustanon and Deca-Durabolin regularly over 12 weeks
2) Take Anadrol only for the first 3 weeks
3) Take a little HCG to save my balls during the cycle
4) The usual PCT of Tamoxifen and Clomiphene

I reckon this cycle would put a s**t load of beef on me, right?

I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on Side-effects Versus Gains, but most of all I'd like to hear advice on what compounds I should avoid if I'm gonna be a coward about side-effects. Which steroids will I regret taking? Which steroids will I stop taking half-way through because they're affecting me badly?

So to summarise: I really want to bulk as much as possible (I need to emphasize this point, I want to become a rhinoceros over-night), but I don't want to put up with stuff like insomnia, nausea, irritability. I know I know, no pain no gain, but really I need to find a happy medium.

Also, it would be great if you could mention other drugs that combat the side-effects of certain steroids, for instance I might be looking for something that will curb the headaches cited to be given by Anavar. I was considering taking Liquidex to keep bloat down.

[terraj]

Man, I don't know what the minds here will say, but....I boys I have seen who have gained a shit load fast have not held it. Also not good for the joints to get big/strong fast.

[Chev]

I would have to say the steriod that has the worst sides (that ive tried) was Tren. Winnie never bothered me, and neither did d-bol. Ive tried all the tests and the only test i never loved was P. Only because of the P pain! I running deca/test now 2 weeks in and so far so good. But its still early.

[kawizx10]

For bulking what worked for me was D-bol 6 weeks @ 50mg a day. No sides other then the usual odd color urine. Add in Test Cyp @ 600-700mg week and Deca @ 500-600mg week and that was a perfect bulking cycle for me.

But as much as we all look to the anabolics to make us gain, the truth is diet is the best bulking tool out there.

[hankdiesel]

How much test did you run in your first cycle?

[energizer bunny]

It would be great if bodybuilding was just as easy as picking the most POWERFUL steroids and taking them... (and for hardcore bodybuilders this may be the case), but of course different steroids have different side-effects which may not be desirable.

I've just completed my first cycle and I put on about 10 kg of muscle which I'm very happy with. I took Testosterone on its own and I was able to tolerate the side-effects (mostly just excessive sweating, plus fat and water gain). No aggression. No change in sex drive. No irritability. No insomnia.

My next cycle will be a bulking cycle, in that I want to put on as much BEEF as possible. But here's the thing, I'm gonna be a coward about it. There's certain side-effects that I don't want:
1) Insomnia
2) Nausea
3) Irritability

So for instance, that means I probably wanna stay away from Trembolone (which I've heard one too many stories about).

One side-effect which is OK with me is Sex Drive Suppression. 99% of people on this forum seem to hate when their sex drive dies, but I love it, it gives me a break.

So anyway I'm thinking about what compounds to take for my next cycle, but remember... I'm gonna be a coward so I'm gonna shy away from stuff that messes me about in ways I don't like.

I was looking at the "Steroid Effectiveness" chart on this website, and saw that Anavar is listed as THE BEST, so I read up on its side-effects, and they seem to be tolerable for me. If I have any problems with it I'll just down my dosage.

Anyway here's what I'm thinking for my next cycle:
1) Inject Sustanon and Deca-Durabolin regularly over 12 weeks
2) Take Anadrol only for the first 3 weeks
3) Take a little HCG to save my balls during the cycle
4) The usual PCT of Tamoxifen and Clomiphene

I reckon this cycle would put a s**t load of beef on me, right?

I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on Side-effects Versus Gains, but most of all I'd like to hear advice on what compounds I should avoid if I'm gonna be a coward about side-effects. Which steroids will I regret taking? Which steroids will I stop taking half-way through because they're affecting me badly?

So to summarise: I really want to bulk as much as possible (I need to emphasize this point, I want to become a rhinoceros over-night), but I don't want to put up with stuff like insomnia, nausea, irritability. I know I know, no pain no gain, but really I need to find a happy medium.

Also, it would be great if you could mention other drugs that combat the side-effects of certain steroids, for instance I might be looking for something that will curb the headaches cited to be given by Anavar. I was considering taking Liquidex to keep bloat down.

i cant really help you with the cycle.....just noticed you said you were using anavar....then you have typed in Anadrol.......have you made a typo or are you using Anadrol over Anavar.....

[Knockout_Power]

Anyway here's what I'm thinking for my next cycle:
1) Inject Sustanon and Deca-Durabolin regularly over 12 weeks
2) Take Anadrol only for the first 3 weeks

so for the first 3 weeks you will take anadrol only and start your Sust and Deca after that for 12 weeks? You should run the Test 2 weeks later than the Deca, but you say you dont mind the possible sides from the Deca so its up to you

[ghettoboyd]

if bulking up were as easy as taking a bunch of aas then dont u think everyone would look like mr. olympia? i hope you really nail down your diet in order to see any keepable results......its not the compounds that make you grow,its the food and the training.....aas definitly speeds up the prossess but as i said its like 80% diet.....just throwing that out there....goodluck....

[KimboHalfSlice]

Oh crap I didn't mean to mention Anadrol at all, I meant Anavar. Sorry.

The reason I picked Anavar is simply because it's listed as being the best on the table on this website. Supposedly it packs on a ridiculously large amount of beef.

During my first cycle I took 1cc of Sustanon every 3 days for 10 weeks, and after that I took 1cc of Testosterone Enanthate every 3 days for 4 weeks (so it was 14 weeks total). So that works out at about 583 mg per week for 14 weeks.

I should have been more clear about what I was thinking of doing for my next cycle, here goes:

I would start taking Testosterone, Deca-Durabolin and Anavar at the same time. However after 3 weeks I would stop taking Anavar. I would continue taking the Testosterone and Deca-Durabolin for another 9 weeks (so I would be on Test and Deca for 12 weeks total).

I made massive gains using Testosterone alone so I'm really excited to see what this cycle would do to me :-D

[markleedsfc]

I think anadrol is for bulking and anavar would be more for cutting. I would suggest taking the anadrol for the kickstart

[Knockout_Power]

I dont recall hearing that Anavar made BIG size gains. It does help drop fat with proper diet and I know most claim great strength increase in short periods of time. Var wont put on mass in 3 week bro, maybe 7 to 8. Wasting money, it is quite expensive.

[redz]

Anavar is not a great bulking compound at all. DHT's are best used for cutting.

[tronics]

also if you dont want side effects maybe re think the deca...not that the side effects are too bad, but the water retention and possible deca dick kinda are biggies with that..

also make sure you have some camber on hand just incase of gyno from the prolactin

[hankdiesel]

Anavar doesn't slap on meat. Anadrol would be much better suited for that. But most people are scared of anadrol....to bad for them.

[Twist]

Sorry bro but everybody wants to get big overnight. doesn't work like that. also you want to take steroids but don't want the sides.. lol. loss in sex drive = no test = no muscle.

I like eq and a lot of other people do not. Just find gear with low side effects and take that. Everybody responds differently to different compounds. I don't get any of the said effects from tren, who knows, you might not either. anadrol might be hell for you. The worst compound on my body is Nolvadex, so that just goes to show that you never really know what you are getting into.

I hope you know that you probably wont gain again like you did on your first cycle... the first one is always the best.

I hope your diet is in check too.

[audis4]

almond do more research bro, you dont know what your talking about

[smalltime7]

i am with twist I like EQ, but you wont be packing on alot of "beef" you will be strong as an ox the pumps are the best and you can keep a good portion of what you got out of the cycle IMO

[MuscleScience]

WTF is a kg!!!

[firmechicano831]

bro do a Deca, Dianabol and winny cycle or you can do it with test as well. Anavar won't get you any size at all.

[The Deuce]

Dude I am not bashing you... but.. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT !!!

The freaking compounds dont do the work.... YOU DO !!


What packs on the most amount of BEEF.. hahahahahahahaha... lmfao !! You know what packes on the most amount of Beef buddy?? A HIGH PROTEIN DIET.

You need to not use AAS.


You are the main reason why AAS have such a bad name. You expect them to do all the heavy lifting. and NO you didn't gain 22lbs. in your first cycle of MUSCLE. PURE MUSCLE. That is impossible. It takes about a YEAR to THREE to pack on that much PURE LEAN MUSCLE if you are already at your GENETIC MAX, Which I am sure you are not. Lemme take a guess. 5'8"-6" anywhere from 175lbs.-200lbs. and im guessing you DONT know your BF... So you will probably say around 5%.. when in all actuality probably at like 12-14%.

Man, you have so much to learn. and the worst part. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO US. You are gonna pump as many compounds as you want into your body thinking it's going to make you the next JAY CUTLER or whoever.. Low and behold you'll TOAST your endocrine system. You'll never be able to get aroused again. AND THIS WILL ALL HAPPEN BEFORE YOU HIT 30.

Just STOP taking Anabolic Steroids, and do some research for godsakes. This isn't a game. These compounds are serious shit. You are gonna HURT yourself... Possibly Permanently.

I'm not saying any of this to be a dick. I am doing it to keep u safe, and healthy.

EDUCATE BEFORE YOU MEDICATE.

And NO reading STEROID PROFILES does not count as education. Learn how to diet. Do you know what A MACRONUTRIENT IS? or how about Micronutrient's? How about BMI? and Your own personal daily caloric expenditure? Or how many calories you need per day to maintain your current weight??

My guess is NO. So learn ALL of that stuff first. and Then, then consider using steroids man. STOP CHOOSING THE QUICK AND EASY WAY OUT. Tempting yes i know. But in the end HARD WORK and Dedication will pay off a lot more than HOW MANY NEEDLES YOU STUCK IN YOUR BODY. BELIEVE THAT !!!

-The Deuce

[TITANIUM]

Dude I am not bashing you... but.. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT !!!

The freaking compounds dont do the work.... YOU DO !!


What packs on the most amount of BEEF.. hahahahahahahaha... lmfao !! You know what packes on the most amount of Beef buddy?? A HIGH PROTEIN DIET.

You need to not use AAS.


You are the main reason why AAS have such a bad name. You expect them to do all the heavy lifting. and NO you didn't gain 22lbs. in your first cycle of MUSCLE. PURE MUSCLE. That is impossible. It takes about a YEAR to THREE to pack on that much PURE LEAN MUSCLE if you are already at your GENETIC MAX, Which I am sure you are not. Lemme take a guess. 5'8"-6" anywhere from 175lbs.-200lbs. and im guessing you DONT know your BF... So you will probably say around 5%.. when in all actuality probably at like 12-14%.

Man, you have so much to learn. and the worst part. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO US. You are gonna pump as many compounds as you want into your body thinking it's going to make you the next JAY CUTLER or whoever.. Low and behold you'll TOAST your endocrine system. You'll never be able to get aroused again. AND THIS WILL ALL HAPPEN BEFORE YOU HIT 30.

Just STOP taking Anabolic Steroids, and do some research for godsakes. This isn't a game. These compounds are serious shit. You are gonna HURT yourself... Possibly Permanently.

I'm not saying any of this to be a dick. I am doing it to keep u safe, and healthy.

EDUCATE BEFORE YOU MEDICATE.

And NO reading STEROID PROFILES does not count as education. Learn how to diet. Do you know what A MACRONUTRIENT IS? or how about Micronutrient's? How about BMI? and Your own personal daily caloric expenditure? Or how many calories you need per day to maintain your current weight??

My guess is NO. So learn ALL of that stuff first. and Then, then consider using steroids man. STOP CHOOSING THE QUICK AND EASY WAY OUT. Tempting yes i know. But in the end HARD WORK and Dedication will pay off a lot more than HOW MANY NEEDLES YOU STUCK IN YOUR BODY. BELIEVE THAT !!!

-The Deuce

Hey bro, I'm glad I am your friend!

Glad to see you around again.

I think you scared the OP out of this.

But, at least he is trying to learn.

So, this board gets your mind in a fvcking not some days.

I know, it gets old real fast.

Best

T

[Venom111]

WTF is a kg!!!

Oh its only the metric system which 98% of the world uses.

[KimboHalfSlice]

What packs on the most amount of BEEF.. hahahahahahahaha... lmfao !! You know what packes on the most amount of Beef buddy?? A HIGH PROTEIN DIET.

You can eat as much protein as you want... but that doesn't mean your body is gonna utilise it all to build muscle.

If you're not on steroids, most of the protein you eat gets wasted, it doesn't become muscle. If you take steroids, a much greater percentage of the protein you eat becomes muscle.

I'm absolutely certain that taking Testosterone and eating my normal diet would pack way more beef on me than simply just training natural and eating more.

You are the main reason why AAS have such a bad name. You expect them to do all the heavy lifting.

I worked my ass off when I was on steroids, I was doing 25 sets per body part (5 different sets of 5 different exercises). I trained 4 days on, 1 day off. I wanted to maximise my muscle building capability in every way. I woke up at 7am and took a protein shake before I even stood up out of bed.

and NO you didn't gain 22lbs in your first cycle of MUSCLE. PURE MUSCLE. That is impossible.

I started the cycle with a visible 6-pack, and I ended the cycle with a visible 6-pack. Granted, I put on some bloat, but nothing major. In my cycle I peaked at about 65.2 kg, and right now in my 2nd week of PCT I'm about 62.9 kg, but I definitely notice I look leaner over the past week or two.

You're right, I didn't put on 10 kg of muscle, but the figure is at least 8 kg, because I'd notice an extra 2 kg of fat on my body.

It takes about a YEAR to THREE to pack on that much PURE LEAN MUSCLE if you are already at your GENETIC MAX, Which I am sure you are not. Lemme take a guess. 5'8"-6" anywhere from 175lbs.-200lbs. and im guessing you DONT know your BF... So you will probably say around 5%.. when in all actuality probably at like 12-14%.

I'm actually 5'3". Before my cycle I was 54 kg and I peaked during my cycle at 65 kg (note that I still had a visible 6-pack when I was 65 kg).

Man, you have so much to learn. and the worst part. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO US.

See here's the thing. You may have a wealth of knowledge about steroids from past experience, but you opted to deliver that knowledge in a condescending, derogatory, derisory manner. If you had chosen to be polite, informative, and make me feel as though "you're on my side", then I would have listened. But you lost me with the very first sentence in which you shouted in block capitals "You have no idea what you're talking about" -- that's not how you get somebody to listen to you.

You are gonna pump as many compounds as you want into your body thinking it's going to make you the next JAY CUTLER or whoever.. Low and behold you'll TOAST your endocrine system.

I've been careful, and I'll continue to be careful. It's as simple as:
1) Not staying on juice for too long
2) Making sure you complete PCT properly

I'm taking further precautions such as using HCG during my next cycle.

Just STOP taking Anabolic Steroids, and do some research for godsakes. This isn't a game. These compounds are serious shit. You are gonna HURT yourself... Possibly Permanently.

Contrary to what a lot of people preach on this website, I actually do consider steroids to be quite magical. When I trained naturally, I put on 2 kg in 6 months. Then when I went on the juice, I put on 10 kg in 3 months. That's an increase of 1000% (one thousand percent), which is nothing short of phenonemenal.

When I was on the juice I didn't change my diet, I wasn't counting carbs or anything of that crap, but the juice sent my appetite through the roof, meaning I went from eating 2 meals a day to eating 5 meals a day.

Now that I'm in PCT, my appetite is dropping back down, and I'm at about 3 meals a day.

If I was to train naturally to gain muscle, (which I wouldn't bother wasting my time doing), I'd at the very least have to take an appetite stimulant because I'm simply one of those people that naturally doesn't eat very much. I can get up in the morning, not eat, and not feel hungry until 8pm. That's just me.

I have no aspiration to be a professional bodybuilder, I'll never compete in the sport of bodybuilding. I just want to do maybe 2 or 3 cycles to put a nice amount of beef on to increase the quality of my life.

[The Deuce]

Well Said Almond... Well said...

I know have more Respect for you !!

That's what I wanted to see the first time. NOT.. How do I put on a lot of BEEF??

[KimboHalfSlice]

I think we're all in the same boat here.

Is it not true that we all would love to put on as much muscle as possible as quickly as possible?

Of course if your only objective is to build muscle, and if you don't give a shit about getting sick or losing your balls or dying or whatever, then you can just take high doses of the most effective steroids.

But of course there's downsides to steroids, there's side-effects, there's bad things that can happen. The reason I came here was to seek advice from people, such as yourself, that have a lot of knowledge and experience with steroids. I can learn a lot here. I can also learn not to make the mistakes that other people have unfortunately made in the past.

Now here's one thing you have to realise: I've already done one cycle of steroids in the past so you could probably say I'm more of a "risk taker" than your average person, because your average person will shy away from steroids.

Before I started my first cycle, I was shitting a brick, I was scared, I didn't know what the Testosterone would do to me, I was paranoid. As the days and weeks went by, my fears disappeared. Now I've actually completed the cycle and I'm in PCT. Everything went fine, it was a total happy fairytale, really.

So you see, I'm more than willing to hear the advice you're kind enough to give, (such as which steroids to avoid), but please accept that I'm definitely gonna be taking steroids again. So even if you think I should stay the hell away from steroids altogether, I suppose you could make the best of a bad situation and tell me what stuff will f*** me up.

If I was a retard about my health, (like a bodybuilder guy I know at my local gym), then I'd stay on high doses of steroids for life. The guy I know at the gym has been juicing non-stop for about 30 years, his balls have been destroyed. Right now this second he's on Trembolone, Test Prop, Winstrol and Deca-Durabolin, altogether at once. Granted, he's a big guy, but he has paid a price for it -- a price I'm not willing to pay. I want to bulk up, but I want to keep my health.

So if we can be polite to each another, I'd appreciate any advice you would be kind enough to give on the following cycle:

* Start injecting Sustanon and Deca-Durabolin for a total duration of 12 weeks
* For the first 3 weeks, also take Anavar
* Take HCG and Liquidex throughout the cycle
* Afterwards, do a PCT with Tamoxifen and Clomiphene

Seeing as how I got such good results from Testosterone alone, I reckon this cycle would really beef me up. I'm all ears.

[Knockout_Power]

3 weeks on var is useless expense. drop it, the sust will kick in quick enough.

[KimboHalfSlice]

Oh Christ I've just realised that I've been talking about the wrong steroid.

The one I'm considering to take for kick-starting is Anadrol, which is shown on this chart:

http://www.steroid.com/effect.php

You have to say it looks very inviting, they gave it a 10 for weight gain and 10 for strength! Do you think this is exaggerated?

I was thinking of taking Anadrol just for 3 weeks, then continuing with Sustanon and Deca.

[hummerman]

In my younger days i was munching Anadrol 50's with sustanon 250's and put on some decent mass and good strenght.

I was a young dummy and just ate what ever food i could get my hands on. My training was decent but im learning now that diet is a huge factor in seeing results from any type of gear you take.

BTW i found the anadrol 50's to make me feel like crap.