23. TRT. Androgel and combinations?

[Raziel]

I'm 23, just been put on TRT. Doc prescribed me Androgel because he said it is better at achieving constant test levels whereas with the injections there is a high and a low point. What are yalls thoughts on this?

I was curious if running a designer steroid (such as Spawn, Alpha one ect.) would have any negative reactions with the androgel. If so, I will just wait until I do another cycle of AAS. Thanks for any help you can give.

[Raziel]

after reading through some threads i see that androgel kinda sucks

however my doc said the injections were like once every 2 or 3 weeks?

[Vettester]

IMO ... AndroGel sucks! If your doc says that's the way to go, and he says that injections are bad because they have peaks & valleys, then he's just another one of "those" Androhell loving docs that is leading his patients astray. The reason he's seeing peaks & valleys is because he would give shots every 2 to 3 weeks. Amazing that he's got a doctorate degree, but doesn't know what half life is.

Take it your steroid cycles are what put you on HRT. Don't know why you would stack those other drugs with any of it. Keep an eye on your BW.

[Vettester]

BTW, WTF are designer steroids? So much for the good old days of Primo & Deca.

[Raziel]

hey vet man thanx for the reply. Actually i have had symptoms of low test for years. I have only done one AAS cycle,just test enenthate. I had hormone tests done before and after the cycle and they were both low. So i have def been suffering from primary hypogonadism for a while. My Lh is very high but free test is way low.

Yeah he said the injections were every 2 or 3 weeks so thats why we went with the gel =/ He wants to see me back in 3 months for bloodwork so thats why i am holding off on my test E/Deca cycle that i had planned because i want to give the androgel a chance to see if that can get my T levels in check, However I thought that in the meantime I could maybe run a non methyl Prohormone along with the androgel.

[Raziel]

oh and designer steroids reffering to some of the new thigns out that didnt have to convert to a target hormone, they are just active as they are _superdrol for example)

[durak]

BTW, WTF are designer steroids? So much for the good old days of Primo & Deca.

interesting read: http://www.steroidreport.com/2008/08...gner-steroids/

[Raziel]

Also, I just want to say to vetman and whoever else can chime in, thank you, I did a lot of research on gear before i started and i loved my cycle experience and want to continue to do it, but this whole thing of TRT is new to me, so I'm still learning some things as I go along...bear with me guys.

Also, do I need to worry about transferring androgel to another through skin contact for the entire day/night? or is it just for 5 or 6 hours after application?

Honestly, the weird thing is, I'm in pretty good shape, not as good as I wanna be, but still good....and thats with low test....maybe once i get my levels straight I can really take it to the next level....here's hoping

[durak]

Also, I just want to say to vetman and whoever else can chime in, thank you, I did a lot of research on gear before i started and i loved my cycle experience and want to continue to do it, but this whole thing of TRT is new to me, so I'm still learning some things as I go along...bear with me guys.

Also, do I need to worry about transferring androgel to another through skin contact for the entire day/night? or is it just for 5 or 6 hours after application?

Honestly, the weird thing is, I'm in pretty good shape, not as good as I wanna be, but still good....and thats with low test....maybe once i get my levels straight I can really take it to the next level....here's hoping

Did you drink the day before your blood test?
How long after your last cycle of AAS did you get the blood test?

[durak]

I'm 23, just been put on TRT. Doc prescribed me Androgel because he said it is better at achieving constant test levels whereas with the injections there is a high and a low point. What are yalls thoughts on this?

I was curious if running a designer steroid (such as Spawn, Alpha one ect.) would have any negative reactions with the androgel. If so, I will just wait until I do another cycle of AAS. Thanks for any help you can give.

BTW if you don't use HCG with the AAS you risk causing severe damage to the family jewels. Something to consider if you want kids later.

[Raziel]

Did you drink the day before your blood test?
How long after your last cycle of AAS did you get the blood test?

No i didn't drink, I hardly drink at all anymore really. It was about 2 or 3 weeks after my PCT that i got the test....and believe it or not, it wasnt a blood test, it was a saliva test, my GP said that it was more accurate than doing it through blood. However my Eurologist took blood ofr additional testing when he prescribed me the androgel.

[aer_vlad]

BTW if you don't use HCG with the AAS you risk causing severe damage to the family jewels. Something to consider if you want kids later.

Would this be "permanent" damage, or would the testes temporarily shut down until HCG treatment began?

[Vettester]

hey vet man thanx for the reply. Actually i have had symptoms of low test for years. I have only done one AAS cycle,just test enenthate. I had hormone tests done before and after the cycle and they were both low. So i have def been suffering from primary hypogonadism for a while. My Lh is very high but free test is way low.

Yeah he said the injections were every 2 or 3 weeks so thats why we went with the gel =/ He wants to see me back in 3 months for bloodwork so thats why i am holding off on my test E/Deca cycle that i had planned because i want to give the androgel a chance to see if that can get my T levels in check, However I thought that in the meantime I could maybe run a non methyl Prohormone along with the androgel.

Do you know what your FSH value is?

He's throwing out 2 or 3 weeks because he doesn't have it nailed down. That's why these guys fall back on Gel. IMO, he should be getting you back in 6 weeks to run follow up BW.

I personally think the Gel gets unstable after a period of time. It happened to me and it's happened to several other people on this board. Can't just be a coincidence. I wouldn't mix in a PH or anything else at this stage, you might end up feeling like garbage and causing issues with your body.

[Vettester]

BTW if you don't use HCG with the AAS you risk causing severe damage to the family jewels. Something to consider if you want kids later.

Durak, he mentioned he had primary. Sound like the damage is already there if indeed it is primary. LH levels are reported high, but I'm curious what that number is.

[Alphakhymn]

I'm 23, just been put on TRT. Doc prescribed me Androgel because he said it is better at achieving constant test levels whereas with the injections there is a high and a low point. What are yalls thoughts on this?

I was curious if running a designer steroid (such as Spawn, Alpha one ect.) would have any negative reactions with the androgel. If so, I will just wait until I do another cycle of AAS. Thanks for any help you can give.

sup bro, i heard from some guy your body fuked up because u started aas too young. I'm new to all this roid stuff, whats TRT? Do you have to take it for the rest of your life, cos thats what the guy said.. if so, that would suck cuzz.. but im just wondering, i don't think u were too young, i think u may have done something wrong ukno what im sayin? what did u do wrong bro?

I'm just doing my research on consequences cos im planning on starting aas at 18

thanks brah!

[durak]

sup bro, i heard from some guy your body fuked up because u started aas too young. I'm new to all this roid stuff, whats TRT? Do you have to take it for the rest of your life, cos thats what the guy said.. if so, that would suck cuzz.. but im just wondering, i don't think u were too young, i think u may have done something wrong ukno what im sayin? what did u do wrong bro?

I'm just doing my research on consequences cos im planning on starting aas at 18

thanks brah!

Government schools must be worse than I feared!


god help us all... (a little extra help for this guy)

[Oriental Pharma]

We've lots of clients who came to us at the age of 18 wanting to use a few hormones and all. It's really a suggestion to start at the age of 21 or above (on most case).

18 is just too young, most of the time, body hormone is still unstable, causing side effects to be visible. If you're still 18, better have a physician take a close look at you, if not, better wait a few years time and stick with natural.

[durak]

We've lots of clients who came to us at the age of 18 wanting to use a few hormones and all. It's really a suggestion to start at the age of 21 or above (on most case).

18 is just too young, most of the time, body hormone is still unstable, causing side effects to be visible. If you're still 18, better have a physician take a close look at you, if not, better wait a few years time and stick with natural.

But if he places an order you will gladly fill it. Using a source as your name is still giving a source. Ban Hammer!

[Raziel]

Do you know what your FSH value is?

He's throwing out 2 or 3 weeks because he doesn't have it nailed down. That's why these guys fall back on Gel. IMO, he should be getting you back in 6 weeks to run follow up BW.

I personally think the Gel gets unstable after a period of time. It happened to me and it's happened to several other people on this board. Can't just be a coincidence. I wouldn't mix in a PH or anything else at this stage, you might end up feeling like garbage and causing issues with your body.

nah he wants me back in 3 MONTHS! I got a call from his office today about the other bloodwork. he said my bio available test was only 219, and i should keep using the andro gel @ 4 pumps a day. So far the gel is working well, I can feel a difference, but i have heard other say that after awhile they didnt absorb it as well so i dunno what to do about that. MY GP who had me do the saliva test said that my LH and FSH were elevated but didnt give me an exact number, they supposedly faxed my records over to my eurologist tho.

(my blood was drawn before i was on the gel, just to clarify)

[Raziel]

also, i was told that my bloodwork showed that my total test was in the normal range but just the free test was low, at 219.

[Epic Ed]

... Amazing that he's got a doctorate degree, but doesn't know what half life is.

This.

Feel free to try the gel, but do some reading here and other places to get all the pros/cons of all of your options. Most docs who script test cyp IM give a heavy dose with 2-4 week intervals between shots. That's a sure fire way to ensure a roller coaster ride for the patient. Most people find that a smaller, more frequent dose is optimal and easy to self-administer at home. With an injection you know you're getting all of the test. With gel, your absorption rate varies from day to day depending on the circumstances.

[Raziel]

yeah he said that the injections were only like 200mg every 2 or 3 weeks so i went with the gel for a more stable value day to day.

damnit it is so tempting to run a Prohormone lol. My next bloodwork apointment isnt for 3 months from now, so im prettyy sure everything would have timwe to get out of my system, but since i am just starting TRT maybe I should wait until after my next apointment decisions, decisions.

Aso i wasnt plannin on running anything harsh, just Furazadrol solo. non toxic, not methylated, does not aromatize. i dont know how long it takes for this to be out of ym system tho.

[Raziel]

anyone else wanna chime in?

How long does it usually take for the androgel to get someone's T values up int he normal range? I've been feeling a difference lately, I feel stronger, more energy for my workouts, is it normal to happen so quickly or is it just placebo effect?

Also, from those who used the gel, should I be rubbing it in until its almost dry? or should i smear it on and just let it air dry?

Thanks for all the help guys!