Kind of a scare...

[Behemoth]

I had been using equipoise for 6 months for the first time and to kinda try it out. Worked great! Burned fat and gained muscle as well. I just took my first shot of deca this morning and had a little snag. It kinda hurt and had a little more trouble going in so I figured it was scar tissue. The plunger got "stuck" and only went half way down so I kinda freaked and pulled it out and figured I didn't want to mess with it anymore if it's a bad syringe. I kinda regret it but I threw it away, but again I was kinda freaked cause a little blood came out too. I take the shot on my butt kinda low on the back side where I can't see (that's where I was shown and the muscle is big) and I never had that before.

I googled and looked to see what would happen and found some horror stories of strokes etc. I got kinda dizzy but thought it was from anxiety (I don't like giving myself the shot. :-/ ) and felt fine after a few. Looking back though when I was on the eq, I completely passed out thinking it was from the same thing. I has all flush and kinda felt a little sweaty. Now I'm thinking I may have had a stroke? Have I permanently messes myself up? I plan on continuing to take the deca but off to the side more where I can see (like the picture shows on the main site) and to aspirate, which I was never told of.

Please any good solid advice is much appreciated. I most of all want to do it right and not mess anything up.

[D7M]

so you've been on EQ for 6 months and now you're moving onto deca.

Not a typical cycle.

What you're complete cycle plan? Any planned pct?

[NMacFar]

You just experienced some high anxiety because you were scared. You're fine my friend

[Behemoth]

A friend said it'd be a good way to try them out to see what I really wanted. I've cut quite a bit of fat and would like to bulk a little. From my understanding the deca holds more water in the muscles? I was told that you can do the eq an deca without stopping cause there's no test. I still took 2 months off from the eq cause I didn't know if that was right. That's all I've told for pct is just take 2 months off. On the last month of my eq I took anidrol for one month only. I never had any emotions just a nice pump.

This was my first shot after two months, well half a shot, but the scare got me wondering the reliability of my friends "advice".

[Behemoth]

You just experienced some high anxiety because you were scared. You're fine my friend

I've been trying to trick myself into liking it by telling myself it's good for me... Which it is!

[BiggerByTheDay]

Your best bet is to stop entirely and research/gather a proper PCT. You need to do a lot more research before you continue with any AAS usage.

[Behemoth]

Even with just the deca? I'm not taking any test with it. This is why I'm here if for the research and advice.

[Fetch]

I think I'm confused. You are planning on doing Deca only, with no other Test, and it's supposed to be 'ok' because you arent using Test? Deca is still suppressive.

If you're hell bent on it, go home and fire up the porn. Hug your erection fiercely. You won't be seeing another one for some time.

[dec11]

oh dear, your headed for probs, thats a horrendous way to use AAS

[Pac Man]

Jesus are you ****ing kidding me? Please tell me this is a ****ing joke. Each day I log onto this site thinking that there could be no way someone as stupid as the last guy shows up and each day I am wrong. You've been running eq for 6 months and now you want to run deca alone? Do people care at all what goes into their body? I'm not flaming you I'm just pointing out the obvious, you ****ed up. By not researching ahead of time and just jumping into something. I'm seriously holding my written tongue here.
What are your stats? And please for the love of christ don't lie about your age.

[Behemoth]

Lol that's what I'm asking in addition to the scare. I was told just eq and deca are fine on your body cause there's no test in it. Obviously there's some side effects and I read the description on the main page and saw nothing of "sever" sides. I know a couple guys who did just one or the other and got considerable gains. One added test and obviously he's accelerating, but he said when on just deca he had absolutely nothing negative.

My ultimate goal is to be my weight now (220lbs) maybe a little more. I'm 6'5" and still have some padding on me but would like to have the "fighter shape". So I don't THINK I need to do any strong tests, if any at all, but am looking for the optimum way to get it. I'd like to also get there, and keep it going clean. Call me crazy?

[Behemoth]

I'm 26. Again I'm here for the research. I acknowledge I started with "word of mouth" and "trial and error", which granted isn't the best way, but I'd like to do it right. So calm down Captain Cuddlekins and educate me with your vast, sage-like knowledge.

[Pac Man]

1 shot of deca at just 100mg will completely shut
down your natural production of testosterone, this isn't a might. By tomorrow morning your test levels will be baseline. Although your probably already shut down from the eq if you didn't pct.
I don't know what you want from us, you need to pct now IMO. At the very least you need test.

[Behemoth]

I see. Well I have deca 300 and only took a half a shot this morning from the ordeal. Any test you recommend to put me in the right direction then? The anadrol I here is pretty hardcore, but that info could have been wrong too. I don't think I need anything that strong?

[Noles12]

Lol that's what I'm asking in addition to the scare. I was told just eq and deca are fine on your body cause there's no test in it. Obviously there's some side effects and I read the description on the main page and saw nothing of "sever" sides. I know a couple guys who did just one or the other and got considerable gains. One added test and obviously he's accelerating, but he said when on just deca he had absolutely nothing negative.

My ultimate goal is to be my weight now (220lbs) maybe a little more. I'm 6'5" and still have some padding on me but would like to have the "fighter shape". So I don't THINK I need to do any strong tests, if any at all, but am looking for the optimum way to get it. I'd like to also get there, and keep it going clean. Call me crazy?

This is exactly why it is not fine. You have shut your natural production down and now have zero test to replace it. Just wait. Things are about to get a lot worse for you.

Your best bet now is to run an aggressive PCT, do some research, and punch your friend in the face. You dont just keep trying out different AAS without stopping to find one you like

[Behemoth]

I see. Well now my question is, would it be better to do the test (and what kind) or the pct?

[Pac Man]

What he said, punch him real hard.
Pct hardcore, hcg, clomid, nolva, liver support.
A50 (anadrol) is extremely hepatoxic, one of the most toxic orals in the aas/ph world. Bad news if you use your liver recreationally. Order what you need from arr the board sponsor, aside from the hcg they got it all and probably the fastest shipping state side.

[Noles12]

I dont think you understand. You have been shut down for 6 months straight. You need to get your testes going again before it is impossible. Stop everything and do an aggressive PCT

[Pac Man]

To elaborate, you could end up dependent on testosterone for the rest of your life, there are allot of trt members here.
Read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626

[Fetch]

Best case scenario:
You run an aggressive PCT and manage to regain natural hormone levels again. (Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG.) You stay off cycle for 7-8 months to let your body readjust. Keep eating plenty for the next few months to try to maintain your gains. Most cycles last 12-14 weeks. Hopefully, you haven't permanently damaged your endocrine system by keeping it shut down for so long. Expect some sides, such as lower energy, lack of libido, possible depression, etc. If you don't start to recover within the next few months, you may need to see an endocrinologist. Good luck.

[Behemoth]

Well that's what's odd. My testes did the shrinkage, but have come back. I don't feel depressed or anything. But I'll do the pct I suppose. This is actually the first I've heard of pct. this is pretty bunk.

[Behemoth]

Oh and nothing shrank untill I did the anadrol and they cane back. :-/ ok so do I take all three Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG? That's confusing.

[Noles12]

Oh and nothing shrank untill I did the anadrol and they cane back. :-/ ok so do I take all three Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG? That's confusing.

Wait earlier you said you heard anadrol is hardcore but now you are claiming to have run that too? You do realize anadrol is not test either. It is still suppressive just like the other two compunds you took

[Behemoth]

I was told it was a test. And I said I did it on my last month with eq. It was liquid and for 30 days. Apparently I have been rudely misinformed.

[Noles12]

I was told it was a test. And I said I did it on my last month with eq. It was liquid and for 30 days. Apparently I have been rudely misinformed.

Ok sorry i missed where you said that. But yes you have been very uninformed. Thats why i suggested punching your idiot friend in the face

[Noles12]

I was told it was a test. And I said I did it on my last month with eq. It was liquid and for 30 days. Apparently I have been rudely misinformed.

Also you said how your had less shrinkage after the anadrol when you assumed it was test. But do you understand that even standard synthetic test doesnt restore your testes. It still shuts them down because they dont have to do the work. The only thing that would restore the shrinkage is recovery over time and HCG

[TheCamel]

I would like to know what type of PCT you plan to run

[TheCamel]

Also why moving from EQ to Deca?

[TheCamel]

Your stats?

[Behemoth]

Lol duly noted. I looked at other threads here about the pct but I still don't understand. I don't know how to figure out how much I'm gonna need for how long. If I do what Fetch suggested but it doesn't say how much of what. And I still don't fully understand how my testes came back if they should have been shut down for all six months. But I digress. Is there any other side effects I should look for then? Again I don't feel depressed, nuts are back and no growths.

[matt77]

Oh wow, where to start. First your buds are idiots forget everything they ever said to you!! Start doing some heavy research on here and take action NOW! Maybe you can save your endocrine system. Heres a few links to get you started:

This is the profile for deca, anadrol, and EQ:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199789

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199805

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199802


PCT and beginner info:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742


Read these and many more. Learn from your mistakes and if you get things restarted stay away from AAS for year min and until you learn how to use it without messing yourself up.

[Behemoth]

@Noles the shrinking only happened on the anadrol but came right back after I was off.

@TheCamel no idea what to do for pct. I'm 6'5, 220lbs, and switched cause I was told eq was for cutting and deca was for bulking. I more or less stayed the same weight but converted fat to muscle. I was looking to bulk but now I'm more confused than when I initialy began.

[Noles12]

IMO your PCT needs to be longer than the standard protocol.

At least 6-8 weeks.

I would run it
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50

[Behemoth]

Ok. What about the Naltrexone or Tormifene Thats stated in the links Matt77 posted? Any suggestions on if any would be better?

[Fetch]

Click on the AR-R banner at the top of the page.
Click on SERMs
You want Clomi and Tamox, which is Clomid and Nolvadex.
Run the PCT that Noles above you listed with these products.

Unfortunately, it is against board rules to discuss where to get HCG. It is a regulated compound.

[Behemoth]

Sweet. Thanks to all and after I've gotten myself on track, I'll come back and do it right.

[Big]

what is your body fat%?
you need to stop immediately and do pct, spend the rest of the year praying you recover and studying.

[Fetch]

I hope you bounce back. 6 months is a very long time to be supressed, but keep a positive outlook and keep hitting the gym/eating. Stick around this site too while you wait this thing out, you may learn some things that will help in the future.

[Behemoth]

I plan on hitting the gym just as hard. I go nearly everyday. And I'm not sure what my body fat% is. :-/

[marcus300]

You need to stop taking steroids because you have no idea what your doing or using,
You also need to stop listening to your friends, they also dont know what they doing or saying,