Need Advice on first cycle ever. - equipoise

[C0lt45]

so i went into my local gym a few days ago and saw some of my buddys, and they were discussing their next order of steroids i somehow got into the convo and have now ordered equipoise , enough for 10 weeks i believe? maybe 12 ?
im getting it in about 3 weeks, and i figured i should learn as much as i can in those 3 weeks. From my recent research ive already learned i should run it with test too, since im going for mass and strength gains, i only weigh 155 right now.

my buddy said id gain " 20 pounds minimal " in 10 weeks. is that actually true?! or is that like on a perfect diet ?

[Hazard]

Give us your full stats please.....

I can tell you now..... unless you're 5'0" - 155lbs screams poor dieting. Actually..... it can make your situation worse. Let me explain.....

Steroids will shut down your natural testosterone production..... you SHOULD gain weight while taking them but when you come off you'll have a period where your testosterone production will be shut down and you wont be injecting anymore..... unless your diet is spot on - you can lose all the weight you gained plus more. Not only that..... but your body is going to struggle holding onto an extra 20lbs with such a small frame.

Lastly..... EQ is the shittiest and most useless compound in bodybuilding..... it completely sucks for adding weight. The guys who swear it adds weight are more than likely the same guys runing EQ with tren or some other compound that actually works.

~Haz~

[C0lt45]

im like 5'9 , 8 % body fat . what other stats would you like to know ?

so if they shut down my natural test production.. does taking like test enanthate counter that at all ?
what would you recommend i take for size ? most of my buddys are running deca or just straight test .
what results would i see of a 10 week cycle of eq?

[jasc]

I think people associate EQ with gaining weight because it severely increases appetite.. It may not be great for putting on size, but If you eat enough you'll have to gain weight.. 20lbs on EQ alone is probably a little exaggerated and make sure your diet is in check otherwise increased appetite + shitty food = fat
If you can get Test, I would definitely run that too if size is your goal.. and make sure you look in to Post Cycle Therapy and AI's before you start any cycle to see if and what will be needed

[TheClinch]

im like 5'9 , 8 % body fat . what other stats would you like to know ?

so if they shut down my natural test production.. does taking like test enanthate counter that at all ?
what would you recommend i take for size ? most of my buddys are running deca or just straight test .
what results would i see of a 10 week cycle of eq?

I have only one thing to say to this teenager...Don't do AAS yet!! I have an article written by Marcus300 below that you must read!

The young and Steroids

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[jasc]

Check out
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...Undeclynate%29
Its the official EQ profile on this site.. will give you a good overview

[C0lt45]

im aware i am still pretty young, and i appreciate the warnings about taking AAS at this age. but i have already ordered it and im pretty positive i wanna try it . i just wanna be smart about it, i dont wanna just go and inject a bunch of unknown chemicals into my body, workout, eat random foods and hope i get big . i mean if im going to do it i wanna do it right. so thats why i came to the site , looking more so for guidance on how to do it right .

thanks for the thread on EQ jasc , it was really helpful .
so i clearly need to stack test with it , but what should my dosage be ?

[Hazard]

I think people associate EQ with gaining weight because it severely increases appetite.. It may not be great for putting on size, but If you eat enough you'll have to gain weight.. 20lbs on EQ alone is probably a little exaggerated and make sure your diet is in check otherwise increased appetite + shitty food = fat
If you can get Test, I would definitely run that too if size is your goal.. and make sure you look in to Post Cycle Therapy and AI's before you start any cycle to see if and what will be needed

severely increases apetite? A little exagerated IMO..... EQ increases appetite by increasing red blood cells. It's also the reasons for EQ's "fabled" vascularity..... however all steroids increase rbc's - some more than others. If one is to inject an oil into themself just for vascularity or hunger..... they'd be a fvckin moron. You wanna eat mroe? Take digestive enzymes and force food down your gullet like the rest of us.

Also.... I know a lot of people say 6000+ calories is needed to get huge...... and it's complete bullshit..... to an extent. Your diet needs to be good..... your body needs certain nutrients..... however nobody realistically eats over 6000 calories everyday. Atleast not for an extended period of time. Unless you are 250-260lbs..... you can grow off of 4000 calories as long as those calories are comming form the right foods.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

For the record..... I ran 1000mg's/wk of EQ for 12+ weeks alongw ith 250mg's test and saw NO difference. It's a complete fvcking waste.....

All the other gear form the same lab was gtg.....

~Haz~