Low test levels after pct

[nolva250]

Did blood work 2 months after pct and I now got the results .
The blood work was done at a Norwegian hospital so I don't know if they use the same codes as in US, but its all written in English so I guess it might.

http://bildr.no/view/930866
http://bildr.no/view/930909


Normal testosterone values is from 9 to 30.
( The measurement is nmol/L I think )
As you can see my testo level is 6.45, which says I'm way below the scale!!
And my balls is a ****ing mess they did shrink significant under cycle and has not recovered either ( Is this all because I'm low on natty test? Will they grow when my test levels rise again?)

Shouldn't I recovered better from my last cycle? (Test E 10 weeks 500mg EW)
I started pct after 21 days (not 14 days as recommended) Pct was only
20 tabs of nolvadex 20mg each, 40 mg for 2 days then 20mg for 16 days 18 days of pct total. ( I know its a weak pct but that's what I could get my hands on atm)

My cycle before the test E was sustanon only and I remember my test values was 17 nmol/L a month
after pct. (I did ran a little more nolvadex as pct for that cycle , but nolva only)

So my main question is if the doctor has to help me to get my own testo production up since it is only "partly" up now can I chose to run one last cycle (with strong pct including nolva,clomid,hcg) or will this make it much harder/impossible to raise my natural testosterone again ?

Also wondering if your blood sugar may change due to steroid abuse. Since both my blood sugar and insulin is low as hell.

I'm 20 years old, ( I know its to young , that's why I tried to go safe with test only cycles but I'm only looking for one more cycle since I shrunk so much the last months due to my low test values and take a big break and wait til I'm 25 for next cycle).



So I'm been walking around for 3 months now with LOW test values and only in the last 2-3 weeks I think I have gotten a lot smaller. Am I in a catabolic condition? Do I have to rise my test right away to prevent further muscle loss?

Answers from people that know what they talk about is much appreciated .

[gixxerboy1]

yes the more you do the harder to recover. So that's possibly why you didn't recover as well from the second and the fact you did a shitty pct.
Running a 3rd cycle is only going to make things worse. You will be shut down again. Also at your age you weren't fully developed so you may have possibly just screwed yourself up permanently.
So even with proper pct you may be in trouble. I wouldn't touch another steroid.

[guitario]

Seems you were misinformed about Test being safer. It will have shut you down completely.

[nolva250]

Since I got recommended that test should be base in every cycle I figured out to run test only as many recommend that as a beginner cycle. Did not think test only would be an issue.
Anyone else got a opinion about running a last cycle? What is the percentage for total shutdown(that will be impossible to get up after cycle) if I run another cycle , would you refer to shutdown when you have lower than the normal (like mine 6.45 ) or does that mean 0.00 testo?

[jay5]

Hey man the last thing you want to do is run another cycle, it seems like your going to anyways but don't please, and I know you probably heard it before but next time you do a cycle make sure you have all pct items on hand take care

[nolva250]

How should i train to maintain and not break down muscle tissue when my test is way below normal?

Will the balls get bigger when my test production goes up or do I have to add some hcg or other stuff?

[Sicko]

How should i train to maintain and not break down muscle tissue when my test is way below normal?
Will the balls get bigger when my test production goes up or do I have to add some hcg or other stuff?

I personally wouldnt run another cycle until I was squared away and bloodwork at proper levels again.
HCG does help in bringing your balls back but I wouldnt even do that without docs advice/direction.

[nolva250]

Yes, I talked to the doctor and will wait for my test to get to a normal level, but I feel it will be kinda wasted to get my test up now and do a cycle so I might have to do the whole thing again.
But will the balls get bigger when my test raises or do I have to ask the doctor specially for this?

[gixxerboy1]

Yes, I talked to the doctor and will wait for my test to get to a normal level, but I feel it will be kinda wasted to get my test up now and do a cycle so I might have to do the whole thing again.
But will the balls get bigger when my test raises or do I have to ask the doctor specially for this?

you balls may increase in size.
Keep working out as normal. You may not gain as much as you would have if you stayed normal but it isnt a waste. And dont do another cycle to get it back

[jtuner77]

Shoulda ran HCG....really you never shoulda ran a cycle or cycles at this age.

Get to get on a serious PCT asap and hope for the best.

This is why kids should not mess with AAS

[nolva250]

I will not do a cycle before I get it fixed but how big chance is it that I could run another cycle after getting it up without getting the same problem ( with a proper pct this time) don't want to go through this shit again

[gixxerboy1]

I will not do a cycle before I get it fixed but how big chance is it that I could run another cycle after getting it up without getting the same problem ( with a proper pct this time) don't want to go through this shit again

you increase the chance of doing permanent damage with every cycle

[PitMaster]

Here is some info. for your next cycle. If u search u will also find more . http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g-and-Steroids

[nolva250]

Have now decided to start taking hcg to speed up the test recover. My last bloodwork was 8.0 nmol some days ago (preferences 8-35).
I've been walking around in a catabolic condition for the last 4 months and I'm just getting smaller and weaker. What dosage,how often,and for how long should I take hcg. Do I need nolva or clomid or is it waste since my cycle was 5 months ago

[Fit N Fun]

HCG will keep your balls inflated while on cycle and works as a preparation for a PCT, but is not what you need on it's own, it will depress your test levels used on its own.

I need Clomid on a PCT to make my balls swell, Tamoxifen does not have any real affect on the size of my balls, although may be doing other stuff.

Suggest you work at getting the correct meds and do a full PCT.

Here is the PCT recommended by Swifto, the PCT guru on this site.

My balls are huge, I'm currently 4 weeks into my PCT using this procedure.

week 1-6 Tamoxifen 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)
week 1-6 Clomid 25mg/ED (50mg/ED week 1)
Tribulus (Sopharma) 1g/ED
Ashwagandha RE 2g/ED

[Flier]

Take the HCG as you suggest, 500iu EOD for 2 weeks.
Then a 6 week PCT with Nolv/Clomid, or Nolv/Tore.
Are you in Norway?
You can get these meds easy in Norway, except Tore which you can order from Ar-r.

What is your LH values?

You should probably never do a cycle again.

[nolva250]

I need a prescription for all of it in Norway , and its all on the steroids/perform better list.
I dont have my LH values in my head but I will post it later.

[Flier]

I need a prescription for all of it in Norway , and its all on the steroids/perform better list.
I dont have my LH values in my head but I will post it later.

Your LH values will tell what meds you need.
I will not help obtaining AAS, but I can be helpful with the PCT meds, if u like.

[chuckt12345]

i could take a year to fully recover,, you need to give it more time before you start sticking more shit in your body

[nolva250]

Here is picture from my last bloodwork a week ago.
Can someone tell me what to do next acording to this. http://bildr.no/view/958047 Translate from left to right at top. Analyze - Answer - Unit - Reference Area

[Flier]

Here is picture from my last bloodwork a week ago.
Can someone tell me what to do next acording to this. http://bildr.no/view/958047 Translate from left to right at top. Analyze - Answer - Unit - Reference Area

Your Pituitary is weak (Hypofyse) (LH,FSH), should be in the 7-8 area.
Run a full PCT, with a HCG (Pregnyl) kickstart.

[nolva250]

Can you write what my full pct should look like?

[Flier]

Check out Swifto´s PCT thread.

Something like this,
Week 1-2: HCG 500iu EOD, 10mg Tamox ED
Week 3-8: Tamox 20mg ED, Toremifene 60mg ED (120mg ED first 2 weeks)

[shadowcast]

Does this horror story apply to us 45yr old gents? I made the mistake using the juice too young in life at 19yrs of age. My last cycle was over 10yrs ago but I'm about to start again....Any advice?

[shadowcast]

Hijacking?..I'm new. I thought I could reply to any thread re question/answers/opinions etc? Like this reply to you. Advice, patience and guidance sought please. I understand re starting a new topic (I think?) re new thread. Like I say I'm new to forums. I don't want to start off by breaking any rules. (I have read but attaining the info in my brain cell hurts!)

Cheers :-)

[gixxerboy1]

Hijacking?..I'm new. I thought I could reply to any thread re question/answers/opinions etc? Like this reply to you. Advice, patience and guidance sought please. I understand re starting a new topic (I think?) re new thread. Like I say I'm new to forums. I don't want to start off by breaking any rules. (I have read but attaining the info in my brain cell hurts!)

Cheers :-)

if your starting a new topic which you are start a new thread.
Its hijacking if you are changing the topic to your questions which arent related