insulin intake

[gesten]

Hi, does anyone know how much, when, length, to use insulin in bodybuilding? Mix with steroids?

[sizzlechest]

I have not used insulin before and trying to find a protocol myself. My research far says that start out low ( 2ius) and work you way up. here are a couple of links:

http://www.promusclemag.com/forum/t4...3-slin-t3.html

[gesten]

Thanks

[alexISthrowed]

I use 10 iu's pre workout 5x a week. I use this protocol taken from a guy that goes under the name mike arnold on a few other forums.


"The best single time is pre-workout, although you need to adhere to specific diet protocols.

Here is a pre-workout insulin protocol, which will kick your ass. Your not going to fnd a pre-workout protocol, which works better. I have tried dozens of different programs in my clients and none of them work as well.

Of course, keep in mind that there are many different ways to run insulin, but if your limiting it to only at workout times, try the following. 10 lbs in 1-2 weeks is common.

Lastly, I will assume you are thoroughy familiar with Insulin and know what signs to look for in the event of hypogly***ia. I am not going to type out all the warning signs or what to do in the event of a hypogly***ic attack. However, the following program is very unlikely to result in any type of serious hypogly***ic event, even in those with extreme inuslin sensitivity. I am also unaware of your bodyweight or dietary needs, so I will write a program which should be suitable for 1st time nsulin users between 200-250 lbs.



30 minutes before workout
Inject 15 IU Humalog
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams of Hydrolyzed protein (whey, casein, or beef).
4.5 grams Leucine.
4.5 grams GPLC.
5 grams Micronized creatine monohydrate.
2 grams Beta alanine.
15 grams Glycerol monostearate
10 grams glutamine.
3 grams Taurine.
2 grams vitamin C.
500 mg Potassium.

60 minutes later
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams Hydrolyzed protein (whey, casein, or beef).
4.5 grams Leucine.
5 grams Micronized creatine monohydrate.
2 grams Beta alanine.
15 grams Glycerol monostearate.
10 grams glutamine.
3 grams Taurine.

60 minutes later
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams hydrolyzed protyein (whey, casein, or beef).


Note: You should consume a regular meal within 3-4 hours of beginning this protocol. Also, I don't recomnmend doing it if it has been 5 or more hours since you heve last eaten, as your blood suagr will be pretty low when you start....so try to get in your last meal within 3 to no more than 4 hours before beginning the protocol.

Lastly, since you will be drinking your last shake either at the end of your workout or very close to it (unless you workout for many hours), there is no need to eat a whole food meal assoonas the workout is over. You can wait a good hour after consuming your fina shake before eating a post-workout meal, as your body will already be supplied with all the nutrients it needs to grow.

This program will work very well for you. Give it a shot. 15 IU is a good starting dose of insulin for a pre-wrkout protocol. The amount of carbs and protien provided is more than enough to use up 15 IU of Slin, but if it worries you, somply use 10 IU for your 1st time and then go up to 15 the next time. Your pumps will be through the ****in' roof and you will quickly gain fullness, size and overall bodyweight. Bottom line: You will feel like you are using AAS for your first time all over again and will look much bigger within just 2 weeks. It will work better if you follow this protocol at least 5 times a week. Guys who train only 3 or 4 days a week don't notice quit as good of results because they're only using Slin 3-4 times per week."

[Misery13]

Thank you alexISthrowed. That is what I've been looking for.

[gonzo6183]

Which of the following types of slin would be prefered for this method? Based on the following routine:

6:00am 100mcg GHRP6/100mcg Mod GRF
6:10am 2iu rHGH
2:00pm 100mcg GHRP6/100mcg Mod GRF (can change timing if required)
2:10pm 1iu rHGH
6:00pm Workout
9:00pm 100mcg GHRP6/100mcg Mod GRF
9:05pm SLEEP

Ultra short acting analogues
Should be injected immediately before eating
Clear appearance
Onset: 5 to 15 mins Peak: 1 to 3 hours Duration: 5 hours

Short acting insulins
Should be injected half an hour before a meal
Clear appearance
Onset: 30 mins Peak: 2.5 to 5 hour Duration: 8 hours

Intermediate acting insulins
Does not need to be injected with a meal
Cloudy in appearance
Needs to be gently shaken before every use
Onset: 1.5 hrs Peak: 4 to 12 hrs Duration: 12 to 16 ( up to 24hrs)

[Razor]

Alex says Humalin works the best and is fast acting. I am prolly going to go that route.

[Razor]

Still confused, which to use Humalin or Log?

[alexISthrowed]

Which of the following types of slin would be prefered for this method? Based on the following routine:

6:00am 100mcg GHRP6/100mcg Mod GRF
6:10am 2iu rHGH
2:00pm 100mcg GHRP6/100mcg Mod GRF (can change timing if required)
2:10pm 1iu rHGH
6:00pm Workout
9:00pm 100mcg GHRP6/100mcg Mod GRF
9:05pm SLEEP

Ultra short acting analogues
Should be injected immediately before eating
Clear appearance
Onset: 5 to 15 mins Peak: 1 to 3 hours Duration: 5 hours

Short acting insulins
Should be injected half an hour before a meal
Clear appearance
Onset: 30 mins Peak: 2.5 to 5 hour Duration: 8 hours

Intermediate acting insulins
Does not need to be injected with a meal
Cloudy in appearance
Needs to be gently shaken before every use
Onset: 1.5 hrs Peak: 4 to 12 hrs Duration: 12 to 16 ( up to 24hrs)

I would not feel safe taking any type of insulin that late in the day. Your only option here would be log, but I would still try and work out a little earlier or go to bed later. It never hurts to be too safe with insulin use. Log is the fasted acting of the insulins and often considered the safest and easiest to predict. The benefit of humulin r is that it is available otc without a script. Both can be used effectively with the proper protocol. I usually train at 4, take my humulin at 3, and don't go to bed until 12-1am.

[alexISthrowed]

Always remember there are different types of humulin insulin, R is the one that you want. There is humulin N, and also blends of of R and N.

[Razor]

30 minutes before workout
Inject 15 IU Humalog
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams of Hydrolyzed protein (whey, casein, or beef).
4.5 grams Leucine.
4.5 grams GPLC.
5 grams Micronized creatine monohydrate.
2 grams Beta alanine.
15 grams Glycerol monostearate
10 grams glutamine.
3 grams Taurine.
2 grams vitamin C.
500 mg Potassium.

60 minutes later
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams Hydrolyzed protein (whey, casein, or beef).
4.5 grams Leucine.
5 grams Micronized creatine monohydrate.
2 grams Beta alanine.
15 grams Glycerol monostearate.
10 grams glutamine.
3 grams Taurine.

60 minutes later
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams hydrolyzed protyein (whey, casein, or beef).

Is taking all that the point of taking it with slin so you body can use it all?

[alexISthrowed]

Is taking all that the point of taking it with slin so you body can use it all?

Insulin is a shuttling hormone so it will shuttle these nutrients to your muscles. I just do the big ones like glutamine, creatine, and plenty of bcaa's.

[Razor]

So all that other stuff not really necessary?

[alexISthrowed]

So all that other stuff not really necessary?

I'm sure it couldn't hurt, I just don't see the need for a lot of that stuff. I know some people will get cramps from insulin so I'm guessing that's where the taurine and potassium come into play. I myself have not had this problem. Really you could just do carbs, but why not force massive amounts of creatine and bcaa's into your muscles as well?

[gonzo6183]

So I would be best to use an ultra short acting version and do my 10iu (wont go over that) say 1 hour before workout? workout could start as late as 630pm, can go to sleep later but will be cutting myself short on 8 hours.

Also do I reduce the intake amounts by 1/3 if I am taking 10iu rather than 15iu?

[alexISthrowed]

So I would be best to use an ultra short acting version and do my 10iu (wont go over that) say 1 hour before workout? workout could start as late as 630pm, can go to sleep later but will be cutting myself short on 8 hours.

Also do I reduce the intake amounts by 1/3 if I am taking 10iu rather than 15iu?

I take in more carbs than that with 10iu. Start with 10g carbs per iu and slowly lower it if you choose. I found that I can get by with 7g carbs per iu and don't feel the need to go any lower. If you choose to go down that route get humalog and make sure you account for the possible 5 hour active window. If you take it at 5:30 do not go to bed until 9:30.