Sore nips

[bob87]

Hey all week one of 400mg test 600 mg deca... Nips have been sore all day is it too early for gyno sides?

Might be a bit paranoid and my shirt could have rubbed them... But the feel kind of now still with no shirt on.

Running stane from ar-r 12.5 eod is this enough dose?? Should I run it Ed or up it to 25 eod

Also the stane is separated pinky liquid with white chunks is this normal?

Cheers bob

[kj18304]

I would drop the stane and go with 25mg of clomid eod. The other option is letrozole, but be careful with this compound. Do your research and make sure you dose it right. 2.5 mg ed until symptoms abate, then shelf it and maintain the clomid. Letrozole is a dangerous compound to run and if you over do it you can have permanent shut down of estrogen production. At least in mt research I have seen this warning multiple times. Dose is very important to watch. You need that estro but it can cause some problems if you don't battle it down.

[DanB]

I would drop the stane and go with 25mg of clomid eod. The other option is letrozole, but be careful with this compound. Do your research and make sure you dose it right. 2.5 mg ed until symptoms abate, then shelf it and maintain the clomid. Letrozole is a dangerous compound to run and if you over do it you can have permanent shut down of estrogen production. At least in mt research I have seen this warning multiple times. Dose is very important to watch. You need that estro but it can cause some problems if you don't battle it down.

OP dont listen to him, poor advise, dont really know how he even came up with it to be honest

is this your first cycle?

Contact ar-r and ask about the stane, it dosnt sound normal

I would run 8-10mg ed and see if this helps, but if there is a problem with your stane then you need to get more from somewhere asap

[songdog]

I agree with Danny Boy on everything

[DanB]

I agree with Danny Boy on everything

If only my ex gf thought the same way lol

[kj18304]

Hey danb could you message me and tell me where I went wrong. I researched this myself, but I would love feed back to see where it is wrong. Thanks brotha. I don't want to give bad advice thought it was good but let me know where it was wrong. Seriously asking. And not being a smart ass at all. I really want to know.

[gixxerboy1]

clomid is not good for gyno.

OP have you ever used either of these product before? did you have gyno issues then. I'm trying to figure if its related to the test or deca

[DanB]

Hey danb could you message me and tell me where I went wrong. I researched this myself, but I would love feed back to see where it is wrong. Thanks brotha. I don't want to give bad advice thought it was good but let me know where it was wrong. Seriously asking. And not being a smart ass at all. I really want to know.

Letro should never be used as an a.i it will crash estrogen levels

You cant PM yet, you need more posts/time as a member

Clomid/Nolva are SERMS and while Nolva may be effective but not ideal at combating estrogen related sides as it just blocks the receptors instead of actually dealing with the aromatase enyme, Clomid works more so on stimulating HPTA, specifically FSH and LH, than estrogen/aromatase enzyme regulation

Aromasin or Armidex are A.I's and are designed to regulate estrogen

Have a look at their profiles on Wiki for in depth info if your still interested

[kj18304]

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[kj18304]

Letro should never be used as an a.i it will crash estrogen levels

You cant PM yet, you need more posts/time as a member

Clomid/Nolva are SERMS and while Nolva may be effective but not ideal at combating estrogen related sides as it just blocks the receptors instead of actually dealing with the aromatase enyme, Clomid works more so on stimulating HPTA, specifically FSH and LH, than estrogen/aromatase enzyme regulation

Aromasin or Armidex are A.I's and are designed to regulate estrogen

Have a look at their profiles on Wiki for in depth info if your still interested

Thanks brotha. And thank you for not slamming me for shitty advice. I really respect that. Too many assholes on a lot of these forums. I will check out all the links you gave me and thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[kj18304]

Just curious. When would you ever want to run letrozole? I know it's a very dangerous and strong compound. Is it kinda like vancomycin of the abx world? A last ditch effort if nothing else works?

[DanB]

What research is this? I have never seen any that advocates to use clomid for gyno, and defo not to be used in place of nolvadex, post the studies

If your gyno prone then use an a.i. on cycle and keep estrogen in check, simple as that

Letro is to reverse gyno, and also used by bb'ers for different purpose which isnt relevant here

If he has slightly sensitive nipples then Letro is massive overkill, he never said he felt any sort of lump forming meaning the gyno hasnt even set in yet so still easily prevented

Chances are he will crash E2 levels and fvck himself up and ruin his cycle if he plays with Letro, so its a last resort

[kj18304]

Ok. Totally understand. Now. I was interchanging letrozole with aromasin and arimidex incorrectly and should not do that. The compounds work differently and letrozole is definetly not to be used unless gyno is already formed, I.e lumps, masses under the nipple? Do I have it right now? Use the aromasin and arimidex as preventive and letrozole would be used if its already formed but even then, maybe go with something else? Since letrozole can cause permanent damage as opposed to aromasin and arimidex which won't do that?

[DanB]

Yeah you pretty much have it now

Here is a thread which shows some of the effects on various SERMS, not on gyno but it may still help you understand their roles

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t#.T33kUdlvCSo

Here is some info on A.I

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.T33k49lvCSp

[bob87]

Cheers Dan b

Not my first cycle I have run deca with test e before but not test c not that that should matter much. The dosing is a lot higher now then previous cycles

I will contact ar-r today and ask about the stane. My prob is i live in oz so it takes two weeks for products to arrive.

I have some letro with a mate but even that's a week away from me.

I ran 12.5ed this is my 3rd day running the stane every day hopefully the sides will go away today or tomorrow.

I'll keep you posted

[bob87]

Thought everyone would like to know got up this morning dosed my stane at 12.5 again and the sensitivity is nearly gone....

Quite pleased

So am I safe to stay dosing at 12.5 mg everyday ??

[auswest]

My nolva once had heaps crystal like particles floating in it, it may have separated, I was advised to put in the microwave at 5 second intervals every 5 seconds take it out and give it a good shake do this until clear. This worked

[DanB]

Thought everyone would like to know got up this morning dosed my stane at 12.5 again and the sensitivity is nearly gone....

Quite pleased

So am I safe to stay dosing at 12.5 mg everyday ??

Yeah keep going the way you are, some symptoms of low estrogen are sore joints, lack of lidido,energy,strenght, general shitty mood so if you experience any of the above then cut the dosage back down, pain in the ass i know but once you find that sweet spot then life becomes so much simpler lol

[bob87]

My nolva once had heaps crystal like particles floating in it, it may have separated, I was advised to put in the microwave at 5 second intervals every 5 seconds take it out and give it a good shake do this until clear. This worked

Cheers auswest my nolva did the same but i was told boil the kettle and then soak the bottle in the hot water and shake..... after that i would dry it wrap it in a tea towel and shove it in my draw. worked pretty well at keeping it from seperating again

[bob87]

Suppose this is also a good sign my test is real then....... came from a new source this time

[smallnutz]

I always go with Nolvadex and it goes right away

[bob87]

Sore as shit again by the end of the day how long should I wait before upping the dose even higher? Would 25mg Ed be too much ??

[bob87]

anyone ??

[bob87]

Someone ? Everyone?

[bob87]

Bump

[DanB]

Sore as shit again by the end of the day how long should I wait before upping the dose even higher? Would 25mg Ed be too much ??

Can you get nolvadex or prami asap? preferably nolva

I think there may be a problem with your aromasin aswell, I'd contact ar-r if you havnt already, and this may be prolactin related due to the aromasin not doing its job in the first place

10mg, possibly 20mg but start at 10mg nolva ed will sort it if its prolactin related, prami/caber isnt actually necessary but will work if you can get it before nolva, this thread explains why it isnt necessary

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...a#.T39tRtlvCSp

[Bonaparte]

I would just drop the Deca immediately. Some guys (myself included) will run into gyno issues from 19-nors if they run anything short of letro.
Just not worth it.

[bob87]

I have access to Letro Nolva and Prami in a week when i get back from work. my thoughts were i would safe for my first two weeks of cycle with out having these around. Im home a week from tomorrow will this get real bad by then? Never had any problems like this before

[bob87]

i contacted ar-r but as it is the weekend they are unavailable to monday anyone know the time difference between here western aus and where ar-r are?

[bob87]

next time i will bring everything with me i think.

Is staying on cycle and waiting a week going to be real bad??

Should i drop the deca as bonaparte suggested?

do i stay on 12.5mg stane ED or go higher?

[bob87]

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[bob87]

Bump

[cro]

Wtf^^^^^^^

i would drop the stane and go with 25mg of clomid eod. The other option is letrozole, but be careful with this compound. Do your research and make sure you dose it right. 2.5 mg ed until symptoms abate, then shelf it and maintain the clomid. Letrozole is a dangerous compound to run and if you over do it you can have permanent shut down of estrogen production. At least in mt research i have seen this warning multiple times. Dose is very important to watch. You need that estro but it can cause some problems if you don't battle it down.