What can I expect? Advice Please, thanks

[MyronGanes]

Are you fuking serious this site just deleted my whole write-up claiming spam.

Anyway, keeping it short this time..

What can I expect from a mild cycle, I've been lifting natural for 6 years now, wondering how much bigger I can get natural or if I'm wasting my time. How much of the gains do you keep post cycle?

Here is a video to give you an idea of my physical stage, thanks for the advice.

youtube.com/watch?v=hJMTeoKy2EY

[< <Samson> >]

And you have not juiced up until now

[MyronGanes]

If you're implying I've juiced before I'm flattered. In fact, I'm flattered whenever someone asks me if I'm on roids. If not, then I have no idea what angle you're shooting from. Maybe you missed the muscle memory bit in the vid.

Regardless, I'd like some real advice. I take pride in being natural, but I'm also tempted to come to the dark side. If I can attain an exceptional physique that rivals roiders by natural methods within the next 5-6 years then I won't touch roids. At the same time I'd like to enjoy the dream physique before I get too old. So, if anyone can tell me from experience the ups and downs in terms of gains and their permanence, I'd appreciate it.

[austinite]

OP what are your stats?

[BlueWaffle21]

And you have not juiced up until now

When I was in my early 20's I looked bigger than he does in the video and I got the juice question all the time. For me it was a ton of hardwork in the gym and a spot on diet. Because of this I tend to sway from saying people are def juicing unless I see them regularly and notice the rapid size gain, increased sweating, and increased acne.

[MyronGanes]

In the video I was about 184 lbs. Right now I've cut to about 177.5 lbs. I'm 5'8" so it's a bit easier for me to get wider than the taller guys.

[austinite]

In the video I was about 184 lbs. Right now I've cut to about 177.5 lbs. I'm 5'8" so it's a bit easier for me to get wider than the taller guys.

Whats your age and BF %?

[MyronGanes]

Whats your age and BF %?

Not sure what my BF is, I go by the mirror and how much flab I can grab. I'm 24

[austinite]

Not sure what my BF is, I go by the mirror and how much flab I can grab. I'm 24

Judging from the video you seem to be well over 15%. I'd recommend you continue naturally and start cutting down to below 15%. This would gave you a base that will produce faster, harder and more visible results.

Once you get there, you can run a Test E only cycle (avoid stacking so you can see how you feel with Test, and in the future you can narrow down what causes sides for you)

Test E @ 500mg every week (pinned twice/week -- Mon-Thurs.) Weeks 1 to 12

You will need an AI (Aromitaze Inhibitor) - use Adex @ .25mg Every Other day, starting with your first injection to the last. Discontinue after last injection.

You will need to get your PCT chems (Post Cycle Therapy). Clomid and Nolva will be needed. Each number ahead represents the daily value for each week (week1/week2/week3/week4); clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20

PCT should be started 2 weeks after your last injection. Read up on HCG, that's an option to prevent testicular atrophy. If you choose to use HCG, run it during cycle, not PCT.

Good luck and please, seriously consider going to the nutrition section to fix your diet, they will help you maximize your gains and fat loss. Don't run this above 15% BF. It's a waste.

[MyronGanes]

Thanks for the quality post. I wont by cycling anytime soon. I'll be natty for the next 2 years minimum so I'm just doing some early research.

My original question still stands, how permanent are gains from cycles if I discontinue after couple cycles?

[austinite]

Thanks for the quality post. I wont by cycling anytime soon. I'll be natty for the next 2 years minimum so I'm just doing some early research.

My original question still stands, how permanent are gains from cycles if I discontinue after couple cycles?

That depends on your diet and training. You just have to be a soldier at the gym and in the kitchen. It also depends on the compounds you take. Some produce quality mass while others do not. So in short, if you're using quality gear, and you're a soldier, then gains can be permanent. But not 100% of your gains