is this a crazy amount of gear for one cycle?

[mwilkinson]

so i have become friends with a dude through work and we obviously knew eachother used gear. he's 25, about 5'8" and at 230 right now, and i were to guess his bf i'd say around 16ish. we eventually started talking about my winter bulk plan and he disclosed his current bulk. it's his 4th cycle and it seems like a ton of gear. what do you guys think of this?
20 week cycle
week 1-20 test @ 800mg/wk
week 1-4 anavar at 60mgs ed
week 1-10 deca @ 600mg/wk
week 10-20 tren @ 800mg/wk
week 15-20 dbol @ 50mg/ed
week 1-24 hgh @ 4 iu m-f
week 1-24 igf 1 lr3 (not sure dosage) but ed. (maybe 60mcg/ed)
using adex and caber during but no hcg and not sure what he does for pct. he mentioned clomid and nolva.

i don't want to offend him, but i feel like that is overkill. especially for a 4th cycle. but he is up 35lbs in 6 weeks.
my thoughts were: why stop deca at week ten because it's just getting started. Why only use hgh for 6mo, because i thought thats when it starts to really kick in. as far as his caber and adex usage, he should def. be on hcg. and shouldn't he be on test a bit longer than the tren at the end depending on the esther anywhere from two days to two weeks? and lastly is it good for two nor's in the same cycle?
any suggestions for me would be great, he's an awesome dude, but i feel he got shitty guidance from who he think looks good (which he does from the pics he showed) but i'm not sure if this is a good cycle.

thanks guys!

[sharmabrah]

Haha "your friend", nice. Who's writing your eulogy bro? Better decide soon.

[dec11]

*sigh* 'my friend'

but yes, its a stupid 4th cycle. and no, deca doesnt 'just get going' at wk10.

[austinite]

Pretty aggressive and strange all together. What esthers on the test and tren?

I'm going to bed tho. Seeya tomorrow.

[Atomini]

20 week cycle?

Deca and Tren?

Anavar and then dbol later on?

What the hell are you trying to do, achieve the hormone levels of a silverback gorilla?

This cycle looks like a train wreck.... holy compounds, batman!

[dec11]

20 week cycle?

Deca and Tren?

Anavar and then dbol later on?

What the hell are you trying to do, achieve the hormone levels of a silverback gorilla?

This cycle looks like a train wreck.... holy compounds, batman!

i agree, that if anything is an experienced competitor cycle (re-worked, of course), not a strut around a gym cycle!!

[Noles12]

It is advanced for the general gym goer on a 4th cycle.

But it is not ridiculous. The compounds are relatively low and most of the time he is only on 3 compounds not including the gh and IGF

I would not recommend it though especially not knowing his cycle history. This cycle would for sure need HCG and a heavy PCT as it would shut you down pretty hard

[Lunk1]

so i have become friends with a dude through work and we obviously knew eachother used gear. he's 25, about 5'8" and at 230 right now, and i were to guess his bf i'd say around 16ish. we eventually started talking about my winter bulk plan and he disclosed his current bulk. it's his 4th cycle and it seems like a ton of gear. what do you guys think of this?
20 week cycle
week 1-20 test @ 800mg/wk Little overkill. Probably higher dose than needed and definetly 6-8 weeks too long
week 1-4 anavar at 60mgs ed work better on the back side if he is leaner by then
week 1-10 deca @ 600mg/wk This isnt bad
week 10-20 tren @ 800mg/wk 800+600 of a 19-nor. He must hate is penis! WAT too mucho!!!
week 15-20 dbol @ 50mg/ed Why dbol on the back side? has is Var and Dbol screwed up. Who wants to bloat out like a puffer fish at the end of the cycle?
week 1-24 hgh @ 4 iu m-f
week 1-24 igf 1 lr3 (not sure dosage) but ed. (maybe 60mcg/ed)
using adex and caber during but no hcg and not sure what he does for pct. he mentioned clomid and nolva.

i don't want to offend him, but i feel like that is overkill. especially for a 4th cycle. but he is up 35lbs in 6 weeks.
my thoughts were: why stop deca at week ten because it's just getting started. Why only use hgh for 6mo, because i thought thats when it starts to really kick in. as far as his caber and adex usage, he should def. be on hcg. and shouldn't he be on test a bit longer than the tren at the end depending on the esther anywhere from two days to two weeks? This is not neccessary and lastly is it good for two nor's in the same cycle? It's OK but not at those rediculious doses!
any suggestions for me would be great, he's an awesome dude, but i feel he got shitty guidance from who he think looks good (which he does from the pics he showed) but i'm not sure if this is a good cycle.

thanks guys!

You want to help him? Send him here to create an account and clean up this suicidal cycle

[mwilkinson]

i know the "my friend" seems silly, but i'm not retarded. if you can see, i've been a member for two years and have posted under 200 times. I READ all the time here and only post when i'm doing a cycle or try to help people out with proof rather than my knowledge alone. that last "my friend" post was about a 16 yr old in the gym using gear and i made a post for him and i showed him the link and he read it and it worked. trying to do the same thing for my new friend, not that i have to justify myself to anyone here but all my post are available (read if you feel the need) and i know better. i just like to have some credibility to my suggestions when i approach him about how crazy i thought his current run is. from what he tells me, i think the guy giving him info competes but that doesn't make sense to tell a 25yr old this kind of run for his 4th go. any more suggestions would be great. i plan on giving him the link for him to read it. if you still think it's me, i don't really give a shit, i just want the opinions so i can use it as planned to pass along. thanks again.

[mwilkinson]

lunk1
already told him about the site. he's a member of a couple different ones that i've been sneakin around in... i figured after i give him this link, i think he'll join. this is the best board around and i haven't found one yet that compares.

[dec11]

It is advanced for the general gym goer on a 4th cycle.

But it is not ridiculous. The compounds are relatively low and most of the time he is only on 3 compounds not including the gh and IGF

I would not recommend it though especially not knowing his cycle history. This cycle would for sure need HCG and a heavy PCT as it would shut you down pretty hard

2.3grms per week of compounds and using 2 19nors and if not on trt, for a 4th cycle, is very ridiculous in my honest opinion. tren and deca together have left many ppl saying 'i never fully recovered from that'

[dec11]

i know the "my friend" seems silly, but i'm not retarded. if you can see, i've been a member for two years and have posted under 200 times. I READ all the time here and only post when i'm doing a cycle or try to help people out with proof rather than my knowledge alone. that last "my friend" post was about a 16 yr old in the gym using gear and i made a post for him and i showed him the link and he read it and it worked. trying to do the same thing for my new friend, not that i have to justify myself to anyone here but all my post are available (read if you feel the need) and i know better. i just like to have some credibility to my suggestions when i approach him about how crazy i thought his current run is. from what he tells me, i think the guy giving him info competes but that doesn't make sense to tell a 25yr old this kind of run for his 4th go. any more suggestions would be great. i plan on giving him the link for him to read it. if you still think it's me, i don't really give a shit, i just want the opinions so i can use it as planned to pass along. thanks again.

why would you even be bothered? lol

[Lunk1]

lunk1
already told him about the site. he's a member of a couple different ones that i've been sneakin around in... i figured after i give him this link, i think he'll join. this is the best board around and i haven't found one yet that compares.

Like Noles and Dec said..it's not a HORRIBLE stack (still needs tweaking imo) but it is fkn overkill for his needs and abilities. Hopefully we see him here soon.

I remember you from one of your posts a week ago or so man so I am not flaming. Give the guys a little slack though, there have been quite a few "my friend" threads lately.
I am sure you have seen em. Good luck to your buddy man

[Noles12]

2.3grms per week of compounds and using 2 19nors and if not on trt, for a 4th cycle, is very ridiculous in my honest opinion. tren and deca together have left many ppl saying 'i never fully recovered from that'

I agree as I said it is an advanced cycle for someone like that and would require a much more aggressive PCT.

It is too much cycle for the general person with little experience, which I assume is that guy. The two 19-nors are run which will cause major shutdown but they are only overlapping for a period of time in which the deca will still be clearing the system. This period could lead to many issues but I see it as better than running both at the same time

[mwilkinson]

thanks guys. i know... I always see them "my friend" post, and always giggle. but the reason i bother is because i feel like if he's my friend and there aren't too many of us that live together in our "community" it would be best if all of us can help eachother and learn from eachother. There is only 4 of us that use gear in my area and he's the newbie and i just want to try to get him on the right path. super good kid and i know his family so i thought i'd try to help a bro out.. that is all. i do appreciate everyones input regardless.
thanks again everyone

[dec11]

thanks guys. i know... I always see them "my friend" post, and always giggle. but the reason i bother is because i feel like if he's my friend and there aren't too many of us that live together in our "community" it would be best if all of us can help eachother and learn from eachother. There is only 4 of us that use gear in my area and he's the newbie and i just want to try to get him on the right path. super good kid and i know his family so i thought i'd try to help a bro out.. that is all. i do appreciate everyones input regardless.
thanks again everyone

get him on here....

[dec11]

I agree as I said it is an advanced cycle for someone like that and would require a much more aggressive PCT.

It is too much cycle for the general person with little experience, which I assume is that guy. The two 19-nors are run which will cause major shutdown but they are only overlapping for a period of time in which the deca will still be clearing the system. This period could lead to many issues but I see it as better than running both at the same time

ive done god knows how many cycles, and the last was a biggie, but i sure as hell know that i'll never need 800mgs pw of tren, ever in my life to get results off it. that on its own is madness

[Lunk1]

I agree as I said it is an advanced cycle for someone like that and would require a much more aggressive PCT.

It is too much cycle for the general person with little experience, which I assume is that guy. The two 19-nors are run which will cause major shutdown but they are only overlapping for a period of time in which the deca will still be clearing the system. This period could lead to many issues but I see it as better than running both at the same time

I re-read the cycle and agree...small overlap isn't a deal breaker. biggest issue is just the general doses. Way to big for what this guy needs and wants to accomplish.
I think he could cut some of that out make 2 cycles out of it and be just as successful...

[Noles12]

ive done god knows how many cycles, and the last was a biggie, but i sure as hell know that i'll never need 800mgs pw of tren, ever in my life to get results off it. that on its own is madness

It can be but for another experienced user with many cycles under their belt, a dosage around here may be a sweet spot. I would never recommend that dosage to someone with little to no experience but for a seasoned veteran, it is not unheard of

[Wes201]

Extreame overkill!!! Especially for only being 25 and only 4 th cycle.... very dangerous and could prove to be a big disaster.....prob could could get 2 cycles out of all that gear. hopefully he gets on here and can get some good diection from some of the knowladgeable vets who have been very helpful to me.....good luck to him

[Wazz]

Were you guys talking about your previous cycles & future cycles at the time (guessing so), I don't know "your friends" actual personality or integrity level (& I do believe it's a friend), but this almost sounds like a case of "I once caught a fish that big" or he just wanted to sound knowledgable & one up you. Like I said idk?

I'm still reading about the more simpler & 'beginner' type cycles as I'm a long way from my 2nd+...I'm shooting for my first cycle in around 3-4 months from now (ensuring my mind/knowledge & body are ready). Good thread regardless, I like learning what mixing different gear is capable of both good & bad.

I guess if you've been cycling for years this could be done (not this exact cycle) with good experience, but it's something I'd definetly have to keep a strict daily log of what's taken & when. I'd do it with a simple cycle still, but this one is rather complex adding in prep, during , & pct.

Wazz

[marcus300]

20 wks is over kill running those compounds and he will run into trouble

[mwilkinson]

thanks guys
just talked to my bro and let him know what i was doing and he gave me exactly what he's doing now and the dosages were off a little:
week 1-20 test e - 800mg/wk
week 1-10 deca - 300mg/wk
week 1-5 var - 50 mg/ed
week 10-20 tren e - 400/wk
week 4-20 caber - .5 eod
week 1-20 proviron - 50mg/ed
week 1-20 hgh - 4 iu/m-f
week 1-20 igf1 lr3 - 50mcg/ed
decided to go against the the dbol at the end and standard pct of clomid/nolva 100/50 edx2 wk and 50/40 edx 2wk and still no hcg during cycle
he's actually 26 (turning 27 in two weeks) and this is his 4th cycle. his info is coming from a 33yr old competitor (which doesn't make sense that he'd be giving him this kind of advice unless he was unaware of his cycle history)
hes 8 weeks in current cycle. what does everyone suggest he do right now to make sure he's good after the cycle?
thanks again

[christian123]

thanks guys
just talked to my bro and let him know what i was doing and he gave me exactly what he's doing now and the dosages were off a little:
week 1-20 test e - 800mg/wk
week 1-10 deca - 300mg/wk
week 1-5 var - 50 mg/ed
week 10-20 tren e - 400/wk
week 4-20 caber - .5 eod
week 1-20 proviron - 50mg/ed
week 1-20 hgh - 4 iu/m-f
week 1-20 igf1 lr3 - 50mcg/ed
decided to go against the the dbol at the end and standard pct of clomid/nolva 100/50 edx2 wk and 50/40 edx 2wk and still no hcg during cycle
he's actually 26 (turning 27 in two weeks) and this is his 4th cycle. his info is coming from a 33yr old competitor (which doesn't make sense that he'd be giving him this kind of advice unless he was unaware of his cycle history)
hes 8 weeks in current cycle. what does everyone suggest he do right now to make sure he's good after the cycle?
thanks again

This cant be serious

[mwilkinson]

yep,
my suggestion to him was:
cut the cycle down to 14 weeks
cut test down to 600 mg
extend the deca to 12 weeks
and as far as the proviron and caber dosage, i'm not too familiar with these as well as the hgh and igf and keep the pct. those were my ideas. any more?

[effinmo]

Yeah thats a crazy cycle. You could not pay me to run that cycle!
And where is the real AI? Prov sucks as an AI!

[Lunk1]

It's honestly not that bad since he is switching compounds instead of adding too...It is overkill noo doubt but I expect if he is training and eating right he should have some nice gains.

I would have switched the Var to the end of cycle but too late for that.

[effinmo]

It's honestly not that bad since he is switching compounds instead of adding too...It is overkill noo doubt but I expect if he is training and eating right he should have some nice gains.

I would have switched the Var to the end of cycle but too late for that.

I hear ya. If you drop this, change that, and add some others then you end up with a good cycle! Lol!
But really? 20 weeks of a 19Nor and to end with tren E and not run his test out past there amd no AI? He is all over the place! This cycle is terrible!

[dren]

Wasn't there some 25 year old fella here posted here about a month or 2 back where he wanted to get ripped for his wedding, this cycle looks something like his. Anyone got the link?

[mwilkinson]

he's not a member. i just showed him the site today. he's single, and not getting married. but as far as what i recomended to him by taking out tren, cutting it 6 weeks, what else should he do?

[Lunk1]

I hear ya. If you drop this, change that, and add some others then you end up with a good cycle! Lol!
But really? 20 weeks of a 19Nor and to end with tren E and not run his test out past there amd no AI? He is all over the place! This cycle is terrible!

Explain why you think this is sooo important....

Not to mention that Deca is fairly mild and neither the deca or the tren are being run at big doses.

Is it what I would do? Nope...but it's further from suicidal than it looks at first glance

[dren]

What should you do? Absolutely nutthing let natural selection and nature take its course. In other words he lives to tell about it he strong he doesn't aww well more oxygen for me

[Lunk1]

he's not a member. i just showed him the site today. he's single, and not getting married. but as far as what i recomended to him by taking out tren, cutting it 6 weeks, what else should he do?

Why did he add Proviron as it was not listed in the first example you gave.

He has NO AI and needs to correct that ASAP!!!!!

[mwilkinson]

the first example i gave was strictly off of memory of just conversation. the second example was literally right off the phone with him verbatem. sorry

[warmouth]

If he has only 4 cycles under his belt, why try to make this one so complicated? He would be better off on his body, wallet, and possible future issues to simplify this and shorten it a bit. If he is on TRT, I would say 20 weeks would be ok, but not all of this together. It isnt horrible, as I have seen far worse, but it isnt good either. If a nor-19 is going to be used, just use 1 straight through. I see no reason to mix the 2 like this. Most people who are in the "know" and have tons of experience wont use the 2 together. You can tell that by the posts. Heck, even Marcus chimed in, and that says something right there! Honestly, I would like to see something like this:

Weeks 1-4:
DBol @ 30mgs ED (It is not for me though, gross)

Weeks 1-12:
Test E @ 500mgs
Deca @ 300mgs (or Tren. Just one though)

Ancillaries, serms, others:
Armidex @ .25mgs (adjust as needed)
UDCA and NAC for liver protection
Caber @ 1mg weekly
PCT- Very aggressive and maybe even extended a tad.

I think something like that would simplify the cycle and get pretty close to the same gains. Plus the added benefit of haveing less time on in order to get back on sooner(if that is the goal). A simple cycle makes life so much easier and lessen the expense of all those compounds. The risk to reward for going 20 weeks in my opinion wouldnt be worth it. This is my personal opinion and mine alone. Good luck!

[SportbikerKid]

#GoHardOrGoHome
#Yolo
#Get BigOrDieTrying

[effinmo]

Explain why you think this is sooo important....

Not to mention that Deca is fairly mild and neither the deca or the tren are being run at big doses.

Is it what I would do? Nope...but it's further from suicidal than it looks at first glance

19nor shuts you down hard and is one reason we always run test alongside it. I agree deca is fairly mild for a nandralone but to then switch to tren e instead of riding out the cycle with deca? Tren e is a long ester and will take a while to clear from your system and if you dont run your test out further than a nandralone you will almost certainly crash hard and lose gains! Nandralone binds to ar but it is not test and we need test in us until we can get our own pumping again. I thought everyone knew that! It might not be suicidal by the mgs he is using but the plan sucks!

[dec11]

#GoHardOrGoHome
#Yolo
#Get BigOrDieTrying

another mature insight from you.......

[Lunk1]

19nor shuts you down hard and is one reason we always run test alongside it. I agree deca is fairly mild for a nandralone but to then switch to tren e instead of riding out the cycle with deca? Tren e is a long ester and will take a while to clear from your system and if you dont run your test out further than a nandralone you will almost certainly crash hard and lose gains! Nandralone binds to ar but it is not test and we need test in us until we can get our own pumping again. I thought everyone knew that! It might not be suicidal by the mgs he is using but the plan sucks!

Have you run alot of 19-nor's or Tren for that matter?

Isn't the Test E ester the same half life as the Tren E ester (since they are both enethate and all). Wouldnt they clear the system at the same time and since your natty test is already shut down I am missing your reasoning? Is this something you heard or read somewhere?

[effinmo]

Have you run alot of 19-nor's or Tren for that matter?

Isn't the Test E ester the same half life as the Tren E ester (since they are both enethate and all). Wouldnt they clear the system at the same time and since your natty test is already shut down I am missing your reasoning? Is this something you heard or read somewhere?

Got to manage everything when cycling, what about the prolactin? Run your test out at least 2 weeks after a 19nor clears! Simple. And yes i have run deca and tren both but in different cycles! I will say i have not run tren e, i run tren a!
Anyway this is my opinion from experience and research, if you think otherwise its all good!