Tbol, Pct, detox, supplements, animal pak

[Eliteryski]

Hey everyone, I'm new to the forum.
Simply put, I have my mind set on doing a cycle.
Currently 175 pounds after cutting from 182. 21years old, and have been training seriously for the past 4 years.

Several questions for all the knowledgeable.
I plan on doing tbol, starting at 40mg oral a day, working up to 50mg. 300 caps, 6 week cycle about. I want small gains, don't bother telling me it won't work because it's a weak roid, or to stack it with test E or C.

Question 1. For the detox, should I do one post cycle or pre cycle or during? My friend told me to do post, opinions?
Question 2. During my cycle, is it wise to use creatine, animal pak, a pre workout called jack3d micro? Or is all of this too much. I also plan on consuming whey protein shakes.
Question 3. My pct stage, my friend says not to do one because tbol is weak and doesn't aromatize. But I've read that should do a pct with any anabolic steroid. I would like to do novaldex, 2 weeks 40 mg, 2 weeks 20 mg and 1 week 10 mg.
Question 4. Should I take a liver supporter?

Please remember I'm new to this, first time doing a cycle, don't use abbreviations that I wouldn't recognize, look forward to the help!

[austinite]

Hey everyone, I'm new to the forum.
Simply put, I have my mind set on doing a cycle.
Currently 175 pounds after cutting from 182. 21years old, and have been training seriously for the past 4 years.

Several questions for all the knowledgeable.
I plan on doing tbol, starting at 40mg oral a day, working up to 50mg. 300 caps, 6 week cycle about. I want small gains, don't bother telling me it won't work because it's a weak roid, or to stack it with test E or C.

Question 1. For the detox, should I do one post cycle or pre cycle or during? My friend told me to do post, opinions?
Question 2. During my cycle, is it wise to use creatine, animal pak, a pre workout called jack3d micro? Or is all of this too much. I also plan on consuming whey protein shakes.
Question 3. My pct stage, my friend says not to do one because tbol is weak and doesn't aromatize. But I've read that should do a pct with any anabolic steroid. I would like to do novaldex, 2 weeks 40 mg, 2 weeks 20 mg and 1 week 10 mg.
Question 4. Should I take a liver supporter?

Please remember I'm new to this, first time doing a cycle, don't use abbreviations that I wouldn't recognize, look forward to the help!

Welcome,

That's not very nice. You only want to hear a specific thing? If you want advice you need to be open minded. Especially when speaking to experienced users.

I'm sorry you feel that way but best of luck to you. I hope you stick around and learn a lot from this forum.

[Eliteryski]

Well I'm open minded, criticize if you'd like, I don't want to seem stupid or ignorant. My knowledge is limited, but from what I've read in lots of forums has users recommend stacking it with test. It's more so that I do not wish to stack it, as this is my first ever cycle, I don't want incredible huge results. Also from what I think I know, test bloats you a bit same with dbol, this is why I decided to begin with tbol, and not dbol or winstrol.

[lolfb]

Hey everyone, I'm new to the forum.
Simply put, I have my mind set on doing a cycle.
Currently 175 pounds after cutting from 182. 21years old, and have been training seriously for the past 4 years.

Several questions for all the knowledgeable.
I plan on doing tbol, starting at 40mg oral a day, working up to 50mg. 300 caps, 6 week cycle about. I want small gains, don't bother telling me it won't work because it's a weak roid, or to stack it with test E or C.

Question 1. For the detox, should I do one post cycle or pre cycle or during? My friend told me to do post, opinions?
Question 2. During my cycle, is it wise to use creatine, animal pak, a pre workout called jack3d micro? Or is all of this too much. I also plan on consuming whey protein shakes.
Question 3. My pct stage, my friend says not to do one because tbol is weak and doesn't aromatize. But I've read that should do a pct with any anabolic steroid. I would like to do novaldex, 2 weeks 40 mg, 2 weeks 20 mg and 1 week 10 mg.
Question 4. Should I take a liver supporter?

Please remember I'm new to this, first time doing a cycle, don't use abbreviations that I wouldn't recognize, look forward to the help!

How tall are you?

And you won't get any help from people with an oral only cycle. Most people don't use test for certain cycles in order to make gains from it, they use it as trt to keep their body going. Being shutdown mid cycle with no test in your body does not feel good. moody, emotional, no energy, depression, etc.. are some of the mental side effects.

As far as question 3 goes, I wouldn't listen to your friend again. Just because a steroid doesn't aromatize doesn't mean you dont have to do pct. ALL cycles require pct.


edit: ^^ trt dose of test will not bloat you and with an AI even high doses of test prop won't bloat you. and I don't get why you think winstrol will bloat you. It has the opposite effect

[Eliteryski]

My reply didn't work I think. I forgot to mention height 5'9. I phrased the part about winstrol wrong. I meant to say I picked tbol over winstrol and dbol and that i heard test bloated, my bad. Any suggestions on milk thistle and detox?

[MickeyKnox]

Well I'm open minded, criticize if you'd like, I don't want to seem stupid or ignorant. My knowledge is limited, but from what I've read in lots of forums has users recommend stacking it with test. It's more so that I do not wish to stack it, as this is my first ever cycle, I don't want incredible huge results. Also from what I think I know, test bloats you a bit same with dbol, this is why I decided to begin with tbol, and not dbol or winstrol.

You can achieve these goals with a solid diet and exercise routine.

[Eliteryski]

Yea I've done that that these past few years, last year was amazing, I had a really good diet of 4200 calories a day, made a lot of gains. Then some of you might say wait longer till you reach your potential, I've considered a lot of things and I don't mean to offend you, but I'm going to try this cycle, a lot more out of curiosity than wanting to get massive. I know I can still achieve without, but I also want to try it. And since I'm set on it, and have done some research, I'm just curious about the other questions I've brought up, just looking for some help, as this is still part of my research phase. Pretty much, I'll get more gains with it then naturally, with the same training and diet.

[MartyMcFly]

Yea I've done that that these past few years, last year was amazing, I had a really good diet of 4200 calories a day, made a lot of gains. Then some of you might say wait longer till you reach your potential, I've considered a lot of things and I don't mean to offend you, but I'm going to try this cycle, a lot more out of curiosity than wanting to get massive. I know I can still achieve without, but I also want to try it. And since I'm set on it, and have done some research, I'm just curious about the other questions I've brought up, just looking for some help, as this is still part of my research phase. Pretty much, I'll get more gains with it then naturally, with the same training and diet.

Looks like you don't need or want help. Just want to try it to try it huh? Sounds like a great idea. have fun being shut down. Don't know why anybody would want to feel like that. But I guess you have your own reasons.

[Eliteryski]

Look, I appreciate feed back, and of course I want help hence why I posted this. I want to do it because I want to see how great of results I can get aside from doing it naturally. And of course I want to build muscle, don't we all. My responses are meant to narrow down the answers I'm seeking for. I'm looking for people with knowledge about this so they can help me how to take this properly and safely, not to discourage me from trying it. Because after all this forum is for steroids, not for natural right? Not trying to be a dick, or a smart ass, just to get some info.

[MickeyKnox]

Look, I appreciate feed back, and of course I want help hence why I posted this. I want to do it because I want to see how great of results I can get aside from doing it naturally. And of course I want to build muscle, don't we all. My responses are meant to narrow down the answers I'm seeking for. I'm looking for people with knowledge about this so they can help me how to take this properly and safely, not to discourage me from trying it. Because after all this forum is for steroids, not for natural right? Not trying to be a dick, or a smart ass, just to get some info.

This forums primary concern is the safe use of AAS and to encourage those that are at risk of injuring themselves, or adversely effecting their health including their endocrine systems, to wait until such time their systems have fully matured.

We also look for individuals who appear to immature and not ready to handle the responsibilities of the safe use of AAS. This includes being mature enough to know when its time to stop and listen to those who have a vast knowledge and advanced experience in safe use of AAS.

[Eliteryski]

Thanks. Like I said, I have my mind set on doing it.

[memphisman123]

Thanks. Like I said, I have my mind set on doing it.

disclaimer: I am no where as knowledgeable as the other members, but I have seen people attempt what you are trying.

I know a couple of guys from the gym who have done oral only cycles and all of them have regretted it. Two of them took TBol and one of them took DBol, all three of them got stronger and bigger while on the orals. But guess what? As soon as they came off the their respective oral cycle they lost all of their gains. What everyone is trying to tell you is from a time, monetary, and health point this cycle is negative. So why do you want to run the risk of being shut down as previously stated?

[Eliteryski]

disclaimer: I am no where as knowledgeable as the other members, but I have seen people attempt what you are trying.

I know a couple of guys from the gym who have done oral only cycles and all of them have regretted it. Two of them took TBol and one of them took DBol, all three of them got stronger and bigger while on the orals. But guess what? As soon as they came off the their respective oral cycle they lost all of their gains. What everyone is trying to tell you is from a time, monetary, and health point this cycle is negative. So why do you want to run the risk of being shut down as previously stated?

That's helpful. Yea because previously or I should say originally, I wanted to do injections of a light cycle to increase lean mass gradually, yet faster rate than naturally, winstrol was on my mind.

[lemoncrusher]

Hey, I know your set on doing this tbol cycle. Your 21 that is when I did my first cycle and it was also tbol.
I admit I was to young and regret doing it.
I'm saying this bc I think you should honesty wait till your older and more informed about aas.
Trust me on that, later on you will learn a lot more info about everythingand regret doing it.

[lemoncrusher]

I have been reading forms and threads and listening to knowledgable members on this site an I have already learned ALOT, and have also been talked out of doing my initial cycle & talked into researching everything I need to know. Needless to say my cycle now is completely different.
Also since this is your first cycle, you should really check out the sticky link on beginners cycle. It's really informal. You might just switch your thinking aroud

[Eliteryski]

Thanks man, I really appreciate your input and experience. I'll rethink my starting age for this and give it some more deeper thought.

[lolfb]

That's helpful. Yea because previously or I should say originally, I wanted to do injections of a light cycle to increase lean mass gradually, yet faster rate than naturally, winstrol was on my mind.

winstrol is still technically an oral cycle. oral winstrol and injectable winstrol do not differ from one another. The only difference being liver stress. Your body needs test, not a different hormone. You can run tbol if you want but WITH test.