First PH. Helladroll or Epistane?

[ddawgs]

I ran 500mg of Test C for 12 weeks and had some great results but had a hard time maintaining results.

I want to test a PH and was wondering which one was better for bulking. Epi or helladrol?

I know perfect PCT for Test C which was clomi 100/100/50/50 and nolva 20/20/10/10 .

For a PH I was going to do:

Esto Suppress
PCT Assist
Forged Post Cycle
HCGenerate

If I should remove some then let me know.

Stats:

29 years old
5'6
145lb

[Gaspaco]

I ran 500mg of Test C for 12 weeks and had some great results but had a hard time maintaining results.

I want to test a PH and was wondering which one was better for bulking. Epi or helladrol?

I know perfect PCT for Test C which was clomi 100/100/50/50 and nolva 20/20/10/10 .

For a PH I was going to do:

Esto Suppress
PCT Assist
Forged Post Cycle
HCGenerate

If I should remove some then let me know.

Stats:

29 years old
5'6
145lb

I wouldn't compare TEST(the king of AAS) to a PH.

Why do you want to step back?

[ddawgs]

I wouldn't compare TEST(the king of AAS) to a PH.

Why do you want to step back?

Probation long story dont ask

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Your probation pays the money to have you tested for AAS rather then the regular narcotic panel?

When I was in the military they didn't even test for AAS unless they singled you out and tested you specifically.

[ddawgs]

Your probation pays the money to have you tested for AAS rather then the regular narcotic panel?

When I was in the military they didn't even test for AAS unless they singled you out and tested you specifically.

Im on probation for possession of controlled substance. The steroids I had for my first cycle. Can you say shit luck. But anyways... PH are legal so I figured why not go and try them out.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Im on probation for possession of controlled substance. The steroids I had for my first cycle. Can you say shit luck. But anyways... PH are legal so I figured why not go and try them out.

Sorry to hear .

I don't have much knowledge on PH's now, it always seems like there is a new one out every so months. I wouldn't run on oral anymore then 4 weeks, especially a PH. Then again 4 weeks isn't worth the minimal gains and the liver damage IMO.

If you are dead-set on it though there is a thread in the PCT section with a small PCT protocol for PH's.

[BBJT200]

Superdrol is the only ph I would run.
I believe helladrol is superdrol clone?

Sd-10 is a good clone of superdrol.
Its known for around 15lbs gain in 30 days
Its pretty toxic though.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Superdrol is the only ph I would run.
I believe helladrol is superdrol clone?

Sd-10 is a good clone of superdrol.
Its known for around 15lbs gain in 30 days
Its pretty toxic though.

75% of it being water. PH's are notorious for "wet" gains and almost keeping little to nothing after you stop taking it. On top of that the damage your liver takes for those 4 weeks is exactly why I think PH's are a complete waste of time.

[qscgugcsq]

As far as I know PH can be really harmfull, so you would be better to try a anavar only cycle or a d-bol only or any other else fast-acting oral...(depending how long is the detection time)

You could use high dose to maximize the result in few time and come off quickly and pct to recover as fast as you can, but still it's not the best way to go... In any case, good luck...

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

As far as I know PH can be really harmfull, so you would be better to try a anavar only cycle or a d-bol only or any other else fast-acting oral...(depending how long is the detection time)

You could use high dose to maximize the result in few time and come off quickly and pct to recover as fast as you can, but still it's not the best way to go... In any case, good luck...

No...

[GorillaNuts]

If your gonna do a PH, don't use that bullshit pct regimen you posted. You need to use the same pct as you would during a test cycle. That pct assist and cycle support whatever is absolute garbage. I know because I have used it and payed the consequences.

[BBJT200]

No. there are wet, and dry phs. superdrol is dry.

[EyE]

I ran 500mg of Test C for 12 weeks and had some great results but had a hard time maintaining results.

I want to test a PH and was wondering which one was better for bulking. Epi or helladrol? Neither, both of those suck and might get you a couple ibs if that, not worth it IMO. If you want an oral, Superdrol is harsh but effective

I know perfect PCT for Test C which was clomi 100/100/50/50 and nolva 20/20/10/10 .

For a PH I was going to do:

Esto Suppress
PCT Assist
Forged Post Cycle
HCGenerate This is the only thing even remotely of value here, you would be better off with real HCG though

If I should remove some then let me know.

Stats:

29 years old
5'6
145lb

Superdrol is the only ph I would run.
I believe helladrol is superdrol clone? Helladrol is a halodrol clone, far different from superdrol, and superdrol is NOT a PH...it is a designer steroid...active from the get go with no conversion

Sd-10 is a good clone of superdrol.
Its known for around 15lbs gain in 30 days I have seen low dose cycles net about 10ibs and high dose net a 20-25ibs DEPENDING ON YOUR DIET AND EXERCISE....If you dont eat, you dont grow
Its pretty toxic though. NAC works really well to help with the toxicity

75% of it being water.SD is actually known for dry lean gains FTR PH's are notorious for "wet" gains and almost keeping little to nothing after you stop taking it.But SD is not a PH and I have seen people gain 20ibs and keep all of it and even gain a pound or 2 during PCT On top of that the damage your liver takes for those 4 weeks is exactly why I think PH's are a complete waste of time.Again, yes they are risky as far as liver toxicity goes, but a low dose and proper precaution can minimize the harm

See reds...

Op, If you are dead set on a cycle, a low dose SD cycle will give some good gains but be aware of the sides, toxicity and lethargy(because of HPTA supression) are the biggest ones. However, HCG can minimize lethargy and make PCT much easier... There was a member who recently did a superdrol log, do a search.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

See reds...

Op, If you are dead set on a cycle, a low dose SD cycle will give some good gains but be aware of the sides, toxicity and lethargy(because of HPTA supression) are the biggest ones. However, HCG can minimize lethargy and make PCT much easier... There was a member who recently did a superdrol log, do a search.

I've never physically seen an individual go through a Superdrol cycle so I can't comment much on the compound as I have little to no knowledge on it.

If it's not a PH then what is it? Are you saying it's a legal anabolic steroid but not labeled a PH?

20lbs plus 2lbs during PCT so 22lbs in how long? 4 weeks? Don't see why everybody isn't using this, sounds amazing

[EyE]

I've never physically seen an individual go through a Superdrol cycle so I can't comment much on the compound as I have little to no knowledge on it.

If it's not a PH then what is it? Are you saying it's a legal anabolic steroid but not labeled a PH?

20lbs plus 2lbs during PCT so 22lbs in how long? 4 weeks? Don't see why everybody isn't using this, sounds amazing

Superdrol IS a legal AAS but was marketed as a PH( well, before it got banned anyway, but alot of people bought stock so theres still plenty out there)...But a PH converts to a steroid after passing through the liver while THERE IS NO CONVERSION for SD...It is an active steroid straight from the bottle....If I remember right, its basically an oral version of masteron, or atleast very similar...The problem is that its methylated so very toxic to the liver...

Yes, a cycle is typically 4 weeks....Most members here are against PH's OR anything marketed as a PH due to all the horror stories also the fact that it supresses/shuts down natural test and with no test being introduced to the body, it can come with some nasty sides if proper precaution is not taken.....so Most members here would rather stick with good old test...

And as far as the weight gain goes, 15ibs seems about average, but some cases have reported upwards of 25ibs when everything is said and some cases as low as 5ibs......It all depends on dose, diet and exercise. It is a strong steroid and not smoething to be taken lightly...

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Superdrol IS a legal AAS but was marketed as a PH( well, before it got banned anyway, but alot of people bought stock so theres still plenty out there)...But a PH converts to a steroid after passing through the liver while THERE IS NO CONVERSION for SD...It is an active steroid straight from the bottle....If I remember right, its basically an oral version of masteron, or atleast very similar...The problem is that its methylated so very toxic to the liver...

Yes, a cycle is typically 4 weeks....Most members here are against PH's OR anything marketed as a PH due to all the horror stories also the fact that it supresses/shuts down natural test and with no test being introduced to the body, it can come with some nasty sides if proper precaution is not taken.....so Most members here would rather stick with good old test...

And as far as the weight gain goes, 15ibs seems about average, but some cases have reported upwards of 25ibs when everything is said and some cases as low as 5ibs......It all depends on dose, diet and exercise. It is a strong steroid and not smoething to be taken lightly...

Educated members won't waste there time shutting themselves down and stressing there liver for 4 weeks for something like Superdrol.

OP -

It might be discouraging that you're in this situation and you can't cycle but you can use this time to benefit yourself in dialing down your diet and developing a solid training split and continue to train naturally. I wouldn't mess with a PH or anything if you are being watched under a microscope and being tested. Why take the risk?

At 145lbs you should still be able to make some quality gains naturally.

If you are unable to properly medicate with an AAS, AI, SERM, or HCG or develop a proper cycle then I wouldn't try to find a lesser quality alternative just for the sake of being on something. Just my opinion .