Clen, var, etc, are all of these "fat loss" chems overhyped?

[boxingfan30]

I'm just wondering. I'm not a big guy and so my metabolism isn't as fast as many of yours is with the lack of that extra muscle to help with caloire burning.

I exercise, I eat very well IMO. With a shoulder injury that does not allow me to do much chest work aside from push-ups and really I can't do any actual delt work... what really can I do to keep off pounds as i'm getting older? Sure leg work would be possible, but no money because of a baby coming means I can't go to a gym and use good leg equipment and I can't put weight on my back due to scoliosis as well as arthritis and bulging discs in my lower back... *sigh* I feel quite stuck atm.

Do any of these compounds work or are the sides really not worth it? I do take a fat burner now, but I don't think it's doing a great deal to help me out. It sucks how you get older and things get more difficult huh? lol.

[austinite]

Sure they help. Clen sucks tho, for me at least, side effects not worth it. Albuterol is a better alternative.

[Thunderforge]

My personal opinion is that they are indeed VERY overhyped. Frankly so are steroids.

For the typical gym rat the answer is to clean your diet up. It gets said over and over again here for a reason. Proper nutrition is the single biggest factor in being fit. Gaining muscle, burning fat, "building lean mass". Everyone wants the shortcut.

It's just not there.

It requires work. Not just the hour a day in the gym. That's easy. Damn near everyone has tried it at some point. Most walk away after a few months or so because they didn't get what they wanted fast enough. It's not the hour a day exercising, it's the other 23 hours a day.

Those compound do help if you are already in shape. They open the door to the next level. Are they a long term solution to avoid gaining weight as you age? Hell no.

[austinite]

My personal opinion is that they are indeed VERY overhyped. Frankly so are steroids.

For the typical gym rat the answer is to clean your diet up. It gets said over and over again here for a reason. Proper nutrition is the single biggest factor in being fit. Gaining muscle, burning fat, "building lean mass". Everyone wants the shortcut.

It's just not there.

It requires work. Not just the hour a day in the gym. That's easy. Damn near everyone has tried it at some point. Most walk away after a few months or so because they didn't get what they wanted fast enough. It's not the hour a day exercising, it's the other 23 hours a day.

Those compound do help if you are already in shape. They open the door to the next level. Are they a long term solution to avoid gaining weight as you age? Hell no.

I have no idea what you're talking about... Diet & training matter with whatever you do. I wouldn't discount these products, they DO work, if you haven't gotten albuterol or T3 to work, your gear is bunk.

[Thunderforge]

Hi Austinite!

They do indeed work I agree and said as much. The OP is expressing a desire for something to take that will help him avoid gaining weight as he ages and also makes several statements about why he has difficulty working out/exercising. I would not advocate these compounds for that purpose at all.
I view these compounds as short term solutions to body fat reduction in fit individuals. Something used for contest prep or even beach season in someone who is already at 12% or so.

[evander87]

Hi Austinite!

They do indeed work I agree and said as much. The OP is expressing a desire for something to take that will help him avoid gaining weight as he ages and also makes several statements about why he has difficulty working out/exercising. I would not advocate these compounds for that purpose at all.
I view these compounds as short term solutions to body fat reduction in fit individuals. Something used for contest prep or even beach season in someone who is already at 12% or so.

I agree with this. The compounds do work but they can't overcome a poor diet.

To the OP no money for a gym and upper body injury and you want to prevent adding fat. The answer you seek is clean up the diet and go do sprints. :30 on :45 rest x10 work your way up to :30 on :30 off x20.

Eat meticulous, train ridiculous for best results.

[austinite]

omg.. christ. Sherlocks...

[boxingfan30]

My diet is very clean. I've gotten more strict on myself. I had to lose 50 lbs years ago, so the diet thing isn't an issue .. in the sense that I do know how to eat to lose weight. Sprints are good, but I cannot do them because of my back issue. I am waiting on a physical therapy appt. so I can start working with them on some exercises to help.

As I said, I can do push-ups, but only with hands in the close position. I don't mind that part though. Once you get up to 30 or so though I know it doesn't do to much and adding weight was a thought, but again, I don't want my back getting more messed up doing that just in case.

My legs are pathetic and weak though. I was riding a stationary bike for 90 minutes a day and was pretty lean, but it was about a 20 year old schwinn ... the old fan one if you all remember that lol. It sits straight up though and no back support. My Father said he was willing to help me out with getting a new, better recumbent bike. I'd have no issue riding it for 60-90 minutes 5 or 6 days a week when I get it.

What I was wondering is if I just take BCAA's often and of course the right amount of protein if that will be enough to help me keep what muscle I have left or if something else my help me out more?

I would like to not have to get on test and all of that (such as what I would have to do with var or something like that) BUT, i'm also going to be 35 this year and I know my test dropping is inevitable. Right now my total is in the mid 600's and after I started taking D3 my free test went up from 11.2 to 17.5 (normal range is 9-25) but I was SOOOOO aggressive with my free test being so low and I feel MUCH better now.

That part was off topic, sorry.

[boxingfan30]

bump for any suggestions to my above statements?

[zeedubz]

lol albuterol and t3 IMO can overcome some of the shittiest diets and training regiments. common guys.. its not clen were talking about t3's work like magic... lmao

[austinite]

lol albuterol and t3 IMO can overcome some of the shittiest diets and training regiments. common guys.. its not clen were talking about t3's work like magic... lmao

You cant have multiple accounts. Submit a request in the 1 on 1 to combine them please.

[zeedubz]

I don't have multiple accounts... which is why all my old posts on ************ are deleted thanks for ur concern

[austinite]

So you and Ravens2020 both are teenagers with the same stats and the same heart condition? Interesting.

[zeedubz]

LOL if you didn't read my post , the heart condition was a mistake , and I went through a week of hell to be told there was nothing wrong with the same ECG. My account is definitely not Ravens 2020 don't know who that is .. it was always zeedubz..

[boxingfan30]

Ok, T3, I don't know what that is, I will have to look that up and read about it. Would I need to run test with it?

[zeedubz]

No .. but there are health risks with it. so if you are truly suffering from these things.. cardio is ur best bet along with a maintenance diet. broken down with 48% protein/32%carbs/20%fat

[snowblowjoe]

What kind of shoulder injury do you have?

[--->>405<<---]

Ok, T3, I don't know what that is, I will have to look that up and read about it. Would I need to run test with it?

No .. but there are health risks with it. so if you are truly suffering from these things.. cardio is ur best bet along with a maintenance diet. broken down with 48% protein/32%carbs/20%fat

did u just tell him he does not need to run test with T3????

boxing fan whats ur deal man u sound like a guy that has all but given up!!!?!??!?!? im 38 (39 in october) and im in damn good shape! tuffen up, go to the diet section and lets get u on a better road man! 2 yrs ago i was like u, 27%bf and about to give up too. i have managed (with the help of this site) to cut to 9%bf and gain a good bit of LBM and i havent even cycled yet. i did get on TRT which was a game changer..

[austinite]

did u just tell him he does not need to run test with T3????

boxing fan whats ur deal man u sound like a guy that has all but given up!!!?!??!?!? im 38 (39 in october) and im in damn good shape! tuffen up, go to the diet section and lets get u on a better road man! 2 yrs ago i was like u, 27%bf and about to give up too. i have managed (with the help of this site) to cut to 9%bf and gain a good bit of LBM and i havent even cycled yet. i did get on TRT which was a game changer..

yeah I don't get that zeedubz comment.

Well said 405, maybe he just needs some good motivation.

[gianttime]

I cant believe yall are entertaining this crap..

He does have enough money for a gym membership but he can afford a slew of drugs... lol this is a winner from the start.. have fun not in the gym with your clean eating and drug.

[--->>405<<---]

yeah I don't get that zeedubz comment.

Well said 405, maybe he just needs some good motivation.

sounds like it

from the sounds of the OP i was thinking he was like 50 something or so.. then i saw 35 i was like WTF!! LOL

[boxingfan30]

did u just tell him he does not need to run test with T3????

boxing fan whats ur deal man u sound like a guy that has all but given up!!!?!??!?!? im 38 (39 in october) and im in damn good shape! tuffen up, go to the diet section and lets get u on a better road man! 2 yrs ago i was like u, 27%bf and about to give up too. i have managed (with the help of this site) to cut to 9%bf and gain a good bit of LBM and i havent even cycled yet. i did get on TRT which was a game changer..

no no, I haven't given up at all, just in a lot of pain with my back the last week or so I have to to take a muscle relaxer at nights which I don't like doing because it makes me so groggy the next day.

My shoulder has a misshapen socket, osteoarthritis, and a torn posterior deltoid. I do whatever I can. Right now I can do concertration curls and hammer curls with little to no pain, overhead tricep extensions and the push-ups that I had mentioned. I'm not giving up at all though. I usually do 20 or so minutes a day shadow boxing with 2 lb dumbells, no leg work right now because I don't want to put weight on my back, so I will have to start back with dumbell squats I suppose. Back work is pretty much out except for lower back, with the arthritis and then the pulling need for back work just KILLS that rear delt.

Weight i'm ok right now. Probably need to drop 15 lbs, so not to bad.

[boxingfan30]

I cant believe yall are entertaining this crap..

He does have enough money for a gym membership but he can afford a slew of drugs... lol this is a winner from the start.. have fun not in the gym with your clean eating and drug.

Actually moron... I wasn't going to buy anything. I was getting advice for the future. If you don't like it, feel free not to post in my thread.

[Pittsburgh412]

Sure they help. Clen sucks tho, for me at least, side effects not worth it. Albuterol is a better alternative.

I will advocate albuterol over clen, I used albuterol to much effect

[ChiveOn]

I've never used alb but I enjoy clen. I like the stimulated feeling, and it helps a bit. None of these are amazing but if you're already putting in the work they can definitely help shed a % point or two of body fat

[boxingfan30]

I will advocate albuterol over clen, I used albuterol to much effect

I honestly have not read much about it yet, is it dangerous or less so than other steroids? I think my Father actually has to use it.

[gymfu]

I would advocate spending money on a gym membership first.

Then go to the diet section here, glad to hear you have lost weight on your own, but I'm sure you can learn more about how to cut.

Then maybe consider some aids, ie. Clen, albuterol, thyroid.

[boxingfan30]

I would advocate spending money on a gym membership first.

Then go to the diet section here, glad to hear you have lost weight on your own, but I'm sure you can learn more about how to cut.

Then maybe consider some aids, ie. Clen, albuterol, thyroid.

my question is based on me getting older and it not being nearly as easy (not that it was easy before).

[zeedubz]

YESSSS t3 without test is fine .. if ur just trying to lose weight.. yes I know its catabolic without test

EDIT: I am willing to listen to your own opinions on that tho. ( not expert on cutting with steroids ) I find cutting leads to the most damage. So I use aas simply to bulk.