One for the good guys..thinning out the punks one at a time.

[Chicagotarsier]

Veteran With Concealed Carry Permit Shoots Back At Chicago Gunman

Want to act buff best not miss in Chicago now or you will need a meat wagon (Tommy Boy Voice) Wee Doo Wee DOOO

[Times Roman]

damn straight

[bass]

just imagine if the veteran didn't have a gun on him because of stupid gun laws! few people would have been dead for sure! lucky the woman survived, thanks to the veteran.

[Times Roman]

damn straight

[gixxerboy1]

unfortanitly it doesn't always go that way.

look what happened in vegas. The 2 nuts killed cops and only the civilian that pulled his gun.

[bass]

unfortanitly it doesn't always go that way.

look what happened in vegas. The 2 nuts killed cops and only the civilian that pulled his gun.

yes it is unfortunate, but look at it as the glass is half full, not half empty.

[gixxerboy1]

yes it is unfortunate, but look at it as the glass is half full, not half empty.

unfortunately I thing there is way more to go wrong then good.

[Rwy]

Whats really scary is someone wants to shoot someone bc they have their beverage on someone elses car. He should have shot him in the head and finished the job. Now we have another loser taking up 30k a year in tax paying dollars. He has no value for human life he does not deserve to live his own.....

[Times Roman]

I lived in a country where blokes would just walk in a restaurant and start shooting. Lost some friends that way...

....now, if someone besides the bad guys had a gun, maybe my friends would not have been killed?

[irlkev]

I live in a country where only a small percentage of cops have guns, and the same for the bad guys. Mostly the bad guys just shoot other bad guys. Much better way for a society to be.

[gixxerboy1]

I lived in a country where blokes would just walk in a restaurant and start shooting. Lost some friends that way...

....now, if someone besides the bad guys had a gun, maybe my friends would not have been killed?

or the "good" guy could have shot and missed and killed someone else too

[bass]

or the "good" guy could have shot and missed and killed someone else too

now tis statement if far out!

[kelkel]

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
Basic premise to me.

[Docd187123]

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
Basic premise to me.

Does this apply to herpes also???

[austinite]

Does this apply to herpes also???

what happens in Vegas....

[Times Roman]

or the "good" guy could have shot and missed and killed someone else too

we can look at that.

my mom carries. she won't pull out her piece unless she has to (she's never had to). And she's not a terrible shot, either.

most of the people I know are fairly well trained. and where the incident occurred, they were all very well trained. missing at very close range seems improbable

and finally, considering most of the people in the restaurant were shot and killed, I firmly believe allowing others to carry besides the bad guy is the preferred scenerio

[gixxerboy1]

we can look at that.

my mom carries. she won't pull out her piece unless she has to (she's never had to). And she's not a terrible shot, either.

most of the people I know are fairly well trained. and where the incident occurred, they were all very well trained. missing at very close range seems improbable

and finally, considering most of the people in the restaurant were shot and killed, I firmly believe allowing others to carry besides the bad guy is the preferred scenerio

IDK, I'm not into guns so. But I would think being good at the range would be different then under the stress of an actual shooting with moving targets. I've been in a night club with a shooting. People freak and are running. I honestly don't know if I want another person firing too.

[Times Roman]

well, I know.

if someone is shooting at me....

....I'd rather be able to shoot back, instead of being a sitting duck.

I'm not saying allow everyone to carry concealed. I'm saying, for those that do have the license, they need proper training.

[RaginCajun]

just found this article, it is from Foxnews so believe what you will. Murder rate drops as concealed carry permits rise, study claims | Fox News

[bass]

IDK, I'm not into guns so. But I would think being good at the range would be different then under the stress of an actual shooting with moving targets. I've been in a night club with a shooting. People freak and are running. I honestly don't know if I want another person firing too.

usually people who carry guns are good shot to begin with. if you have a gun most likely you've done some practice.

[Docd187123]

usually people who carry guns are good shot to begin with. if you have a gun most likely you've done some practice.

Practice at a range or in your backyard is vastly different than when someone is firing back or there are moving targets and/or innocents in the line of fire.

Edit* and the assumption that you're a good shot usually if you carry a gun is ludicrous. How many innocent ppl are shot by stray bullets each year? How many cops hit innocent ppl? How many soldiers manage to hit their own?

[Times Roman]

usually people who carry guns are good shot to begin with. if you have a gun most likely you've done some practice.

that makes sense. the people I know who carry are comfortable with it. And they are comfortable with it as they have the training to back it up. There are other people not comfortable with it mentioned above, and that's cool. they don't have to carry. not everyone does. But we need enough people trained and carrying so that the bad guy won't know who is and who is not carrying. And if they are unsure, then maybe they will not commit the crime.

I think a good number (something I pulled out of my hat) would be in the 5 to 10 percent range who carry. In a crowd, that is a significant number, enough to take out a small handful of guys with bad manners and ill intentions, harming others.

You know, in fact, I DON'T want everyone to carry. If someone is afraid of the weapon, then they should not carry.

Funny thing. I don't know if it's true today, but it was true when I was in the military 30 years ago. In Switzerland, the government actually issues weapons to ALL citizens, and you are expected to train and defend your country. it is a militia based society, and with all the guns, at least when I traveled there, was a very peaceful society.

[gixxerboy1]

that makes sense. the people I know who carry are comfortable with it. And they are comfortable with it as they have the training to back it up. There are other people not comfortable with it mentioned above, and that's cool. they don't have to carry. not everyone does. But we need enough people trained and carrying so that the bad guy won't know who is and who is not carrying. And if they are unsure, then maybe they will not commit the crime.

I think a good number (something I pulled out of my hat) would be in the 5 to 10 percent range who carry. In a crowd, that is a significant number, enough to take out a small handful of guys with bad manners and ill intentions, harming others.

You know, in fact, I DON'T want everyone to carry. If someone is afraid of the weapon, then they should not carry.

Funny thing. I don't know if it's true today, but it was true when I was in the military 30 years ago. In Switzerland, the government actually issues weapons to ALL citizens, and you are expected to train and defend your country. it is a militia based society, and with all the guns, at least when I traveled there, was a very peaceful society.

there has to be a better solution to the problem the 5-10% of the population being armed to protect us from each other. That is a sad society.

[kelkel]

there has to be a better solution to the problem the 5-10% of the population being armed to protect us from each other. That is a sad society.

It's a necessary evil though. Otherwise only the bad guys have guns, then what? There can never be enough police to solve it. Hell, look at Chicago with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and what occurred there over the holiday weekend. 82 shot, 14 killed. One incident involved a group of people (including a marine) leaving a party. They came out to find a bottle on their car and asked a nearby group if it was theirs. Argument ensued, thug from group entered a home and came out with a gun and began firing hitting a female twice in the process. The marine pulled his legal CCW and shot the ahole twice ending the incident. A year ago he would not have been allowed to carry a weapon. Chalk one up for the good guys.

ps: anything with Megyn Kelly is worth watching....

Allen West with Megyn Kelly: Liberal gun policies and Chicago violence hypocrisy - Allen West Republic

[MuscleInk]

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
Basic premise to me.

My belief as well.

[MuscleInk]

IDK, I'm not into guns so. But I would think being good at the range would be different then under the stress of an actual shooting with moving targets. I've been in a night club with a shooting. People freak and are running. I honestly don't know if I want another person firing too.

True. I don't have a CCW (yet) but have 23 guns. I'd like to have my CCW, BUT, I believe drawing a firearm escalates a situation and should be the last option, not first.

I certainly don't want to be the hand that takes a life, however if my children or wife were threatened bodily harm or death, I would most certainly protect them and with a firearm if necessary.

[austinite]

I

[kelkel]

^^^ Unusually good timing....

I sense a legal comment forthcoming......

[Times Roman]

there has to be a better solution to the problem the 5-10% of the population being armed to protect us from each other. That is a sad society.

I think the Founders felt strongly enough to make bearing arms a supreme right for every citizen in this country. This is one of the many checks and balances written in to our constitution - to try and prevent a tyrannical government from usurping too much power. The Founders also continued by writing the 3rd Amendment which restricts government from having soldiers living in private citizens homes without their consent. Had they NOT written these amendments into our constitution, I firmly believe our country would be a much different place.

Or would we be a country? And not a territory of Great Brittan? If it were not for citizens bearing arms, would we really be "The United States"?

[Docd187123]

I think the Founders felt strongly enough to make bearing arms a supreme right for every citizen in this country. This is one of the many checks and balances written in to our constitution - to try and prevent a tyrannical government from usurping too much power. The Founders also continued by writing the 3rd Amendment which restricts government from having soldiers living in private citizens homes without their consent. Had they NOT written these amendments into our constitution, I firmly believe our country would be a much different place.

Or would we be a country? And not a territory of Great Brittan? If it were not for citizens bearing arms, would we really be "The United States"?

But what does the right to bear arms to protect the citizens from a tyrannical government have anything to do with protecting those same citizens from other citizens? The bad guys in these examples is another human, not an entity.

[Docd187123]

It's a necessary evil though. Otherwise only the bad guys have guns, then what? There can never be enough police to solve it. Hell, look at Chicago with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and what occurred there over the holiday weekend. 82 shot, 14 killed. One incident involved a group of people (including a marine) leaving a party. They came out to find a bottle on their car and asked a nearby group if it was theirs. Argument ensued, thug from group entered a home and came out with a gun and began firing hitting a female twice in the process. The marine pulled his legal CCW and shot the ahole twice ending the incident. A year ago he would not have been allowed to carry a weapon. Chalk one up for the good guys.

ps: anything with Megyn Kelly is worth watching....

Allen West with Megyn Kelly: Liberal gun policies and Chicago violence hypocrisy - Allen West Republic

I think that's Gixxerboy's point though Kel, that this is a sad society that we need to arm the population to protect us. It Being a necessary evil is debatable but you can't debate the fact that it's sad nonetheless that we need to take a life to spare a life....at least IMO. Humans are a cursed species; we're too smart (too stupid) for our own good. My $.02

[kelkel]

I think that's Gixxerboy's point though Kel, that this is a sad society that we need to arm the population to protect us. It Being a necessary evil is debatable but you can't debate the fact that it's sad nonetheless that we need to take a life to spare a life....at least IMO. Humans are a cursed species; we're too smart (too stupid) for our own good. My $.02

I understood his point and concur with you both. It is an unfortunate fact.

[bass]

I think the Founders felt strongly enough to make bearing arms a supreme right for every citizen in this country. This is one of the many checks and balances written in to our constitution - to try and prevent a tyrannical government from usurping too much power. The Founders also continued by writing the 3rd Amendment which restricts government from having soldiers living in private citizens homes without their consent. Had they NOT written these amendments into our constitution, I firmly believe our country would be a much different place.

Or would we be a country? And not a territory of Great Brittan? If it were not for citizens bearing arms, would we really be "The United States"?

that's why all the restrictive gun laws, they are working their way to confiscation. we have a president that is going around congress to do whatever he likes, and taking over private institutions, and people praise him! sing praise songs to him like they do for tyrants in other countries... I'd say we are headed that way my friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJFC1qFCgyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ettl3zfLWus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08BAfKCfu74