One for the good guys..thinning out the punks one at a time.

[bass]

IDK, I'm not into guns so. But I would think being good at the range would be different then under the stress of an actual shooting with moving targets. I've been in a night club with a shooting. People freak and are running. I honestly don't know if I want another person firing too.

usually people who carry guns are good shot to begin with. if you have a gun most likely you've done some practice.

[Docd187123]

usually people who carry guns are good shot to begin with. if you have a gun most likely you've done some practice.

Practice at a range or in your backyard is vastly different than when someone is firing back or there are moving targets and/or innocents in the line of fire.

Edit* and the assumption that you're a good shot usually if you carry a gun is ludicrous. How many innocent ppl are shot by stray bullets each year? How many cops hit innocent ppl? How many soldiers manage to hit their own?

[Times Roman]

usually people who carry guns are good shot to begin with. if you have a gun most likely you've done some practice.

that makes sense. the people I know who carry are comfortable with it. And they are comfortable with it as they have the training to back it up. There are other people not comfortable with it mentioned above, and that's cool. they don't have to carry. not everyone does. But we need enough people trained and carrying so that the bad guy won't know who is and who is not carrying. And if they are unsure, then maybe they will not commit the crime.

I think a good number (something I pulled out of my hat) would be in the 5 to 10 percent range who carry. In a crowd, that is a significant number, enough to take out a small handful of guys with bad manners and ill intentions, harming others.

You know, in fact, I DON'T want everyone to carry. If someone is afraid of the weapon, then they should not carry.

Funny thing. I don't know if it's true today, but it was true when I was in the military 30 years ago. In Switzerland, the government actually issues weapons to ALL citizens, and you are expected to train and defend your country. it is a militia based society, and with all the guns, at least when I traveled there, was a very peaceful society.

[gixxerboy1]

that makes sense. the people I know who carry are comfortable with it. And they are comfortable with it as they have the training to back it up. There are other people not comfortable with it mentioned above, and that's cool. they don't have to carry. not everyone does. But we need enough people trained and carrying so that the bad guy won't know who is and who is not carrying. And if they are unsure, then maybe they will not commit the crime.

I think a good number (something I pulled out of my hat) would be in the 5 to 10 percent range who carry. In a crowd, that is a significant number, enough to take out a small handful of guys with bad manners and ill intentions, harming others.

You know, in fact, I DON'T want everyone to carry. If someone is afraid of the weapon, then they should not carry.

Funny thing. I don't know if it's true today, but it was true when I was in the military 30 years ago. In Switzerland, the government actually issues weapons to ALL citizens, and you are expected to train and defend your country. it is a militia based society, and with all the guns, at least when I traveled there, was a very peaceful society.

there has to be a better solution to the problem the 5-10% of the population being armed to protect us from each other. That is a sad society.

[kelkel]

there has to be a better solution to the problem the 5-10% of the population being armed to protect us from each other. That is a sad society.

It's a necessary evil though. Otherwise only the bad guys have guns, then what? There can never be enough police to solve it. Hell, look at Chicago with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and what occurred there over the holiday weekend. 82 shot, 14 killed. One incident involved a group of people (including a marine) leaving a party. They came out to find a bottle on their car and asked a nearby group if it was theirs. Argument ensued, thug from group entered a home and came out with a gun and began firing hitting a female twice in the process. The marine pulled his legal CCW and shot the ahole twice ending the incident. A year ago he would not have been allowed to carry a weapon. Chalk one up for the good guys.

ps: anything with Megyn Kelly is worth watching....

Allen West with Megyn Kelly: Liberal gun policies and Chicago violence hypocrisy - Allen West Republic

[Docd187123]

It's a necessary evil though. Otherwise only the bad guys have guns, then what? There can never be enough police to solve it. Hell, look at Chicago with some of the strictest gun laws in the country and what occurred there over the holiday weekend. 82 shot, 14 killed. One incident involved a group of people (including a marine) leaving a party. They came out to find a bottle on their car and asked a nearby group if it was theirs. Argument ensued, thug from group entered a home and came out with a gun and began firing hitting a female twice in the process. The marine pulled his legal CCW and shot the ahole twice ending the incident. A year ago he would not have been allowed to carry a weapon. Chalk one up for the good guys.

ps: anything with Megyn Kelly is worth watching....

Allen West with Megyn Kelly: Liberal gun policies and Chicago violence hypocrisy - Allen West Republic

I think that's Gixxerboy's point though Kel, that this is a sad society that we need to arm the population to protect us. It Being a necessary evil is debatable but you can't debate the fact that it's sad nonetheless that we need to take a life to spare a life....at least IMO. Humans are a cursed species; we're too smart (too stupid) for our own good. My $.02

[kelkel]

I think that's Gixxerboy's point though Kel, that this is a sad society that we need to arm the population to protect us. It Being a necessary evil is debatable but you can't debate the fact that it's sad nonetheless that we need to take a life to spare a life....at least IMO. Humans are a cursed species; we're too smart (too stupid) for our own good. My $.02

I understood his point and concur with you both. It is an unfortunate fact.

[Times Roman]

there has to be a better solution to the problem the 5-10% of the population being armed to protect us from each other. That is a sad society.

I think the Founders felt strongly enough to make bearing arms a supreme right for every citizen in this country. This is one of the many checks and balances written in to our constitution - to try and prevent a tyrannical government from usurping too much power. The Founders also continued by writing the 3rd Amendment which restricts government from having soldiers living in private citizens homes without their consent. Had they NOT written these amendments into our constitution, I firmly believe our country would be a much different place.

Or would we be a country? And not a territory of Great Brittan? If it were not for citizens bearing arms, would we really be "The United States"?

[Docd187123]

I think the Founders felt strongly enough to make bearing arms a supreme right for every citizen in this country. This is one of the many checks and balances written in to our constitution - to try and prevent a tyrannical government from usurping too much power. The Founders also continued by writing the 3rd Amendment which restricts government from having soldiers living in private citizens homes without their consent. Had they NOT written these amendments into our constitution, I firmly believe our country would be a much different place.

Or would we be a country? And not a territory of Great Brittan? If it were not for citizens bearing arms, would we really be "The United States"?

But what does the right to bear arms to protect the citizens from a tyrannical government have anything to do with protecting those same citizens from other citizens? The bad guys in these examples is another human, not an entity.

[bass]

I think the Founders felt strongly enough to make bearing arms a supreme right for every citizen in this country. This is one of the many checks and balances written in to our constitution - to try and prevent a tyrannical government from usurping too much power. The Founders also continued by writing the 3rd Amendment which restricts government from having soldiers living in private citizens homes without their consent. Had they NOT written these amendments into our constitution, I firmly believe our country would be a much different place.

Or would we be a country? And not a territory of Great Brittan? If it were not for citizens bearing arms, would we really be "The United States"?

that's why all the restrictive gun laws, they are working their way to confiscation. we have a president that is going around congress to do whatever he likes, and taking over private institutions, and people praise him! sing praise songs to him like they do for tyrants in other countries... I'd say we are headed that way my friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJFC1qFCgyA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ettl3zfLWus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08BAfKCfu74