Starting another Tren/Test run

[MCLord]

Hi all, Hope you had a good Thanksgiving.

I've recently been off cycle for 4 months, coming from doing Sus/Tren Ace. PCT went very well, I used a mixture of Caber/nolva/clomid and the occasional Letro to keep lumps away(really did an effective job) and I feel fantastic as opposed to the first few cycles of Tren I've done.

This past cycle I used 750mg/wk of Sus and 300mg/wk of tren A. 12 week term and results were great but obviously water retention played a factor in my movements. I gained around 20lbs within that time period of pretty clean gains and I definitely noticed the fat burn as well. Strength was through the roof and my body handles Tren great.

Very clean diet throughout, all necessary Macro's/Micro's. Only use a protein supplement after workouts, otherwise its all natural forms of protein. And then I supplement with some aminos/creatine.
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So starts my next; My E2's are back where they should be and other figures came out normal.

On this past Monday I started a new cycle but am going to change the dosages around to go lower on Test and higher on Tren.

Ive started a 250mg/wk Sustanon (E7D) and am going to push Tren Ace to 400mg/wk. I'll be spotting with Caber to make sure my dick stays attached

Starting weight; 209 at about 12% BF(damn football season always makes me eat). I'll update this as I go to compare my feelings about the dosages and what I notice as differences.


Cheers

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Update; Week 1.

Completed week 1 of Low Test/High Tren cycle. ended up going with 250sustanon 1/wk and 400tren (100x4/wk)

Weight: 212 , Sounds crazy but 30mins of cardio a day after workout+strict lean meat/good carb diet+tren, 8hrs of sleep per night, and Im already seeing minor fat-loss. I will do another BMI soon.

BP is still normal for now, no nighttime side effects yet, notice body-temp fluctuate a bit here and there.

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Update; Week 2.

Completed Week 2 of 250/test - 400/tren a

Weight has exploded: 218 , Diet has been the same. Getting at least 250g of protein per day and have carb loaded each night. Fat-loss continues slowly. Noticing some mild body-temp swings, and the night sweats haven't really been bad at all.

Strength has finally showed its face, I'm about +10%/lbs on all lifts already. I don't feel as bloated as i normally did on higher test.

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Update, Week 3

Completed week 3 of 250/test - 400/Tren A

Weight has settled back down to 215, pretty tremendous fat loss already. Almost ridiculous to be honest. Diet is still extremely clean and I'm eating about 6-8 times a day. Still maintaining 250G+ of protein, most by way of fish and chicken. I don't mind repetition so most of my meals are the same; Consisting of Sweet potatoes, fish, almonds, tons of greens, chicken breast, steamed beans. I also supplement with amino's and a bunch of micro's

Sides are coming along now, but still bearable. I sweat my dick off at night but adjust that with a few fans blowing on me and I've been fine. I wake up feeling rested still though. My range of motion is much better with less test, this is one of the biggest things I've noticed so far. I do experience a great wellness feeling all day, almost euphoric. Despite what they say about rage and emotions I've actually felt much more content and able to deal with stresses.

Strength is out of control and I'm excited to see where this takes me, I'm already creeping up on my lift PR's and I'm only starting week 4. Very impressed with that and I'm sure to smash all of my current records this cycle. My body has a clean dry look to it now and belly fat is falling off. I'll update with pics when I get a chance.

Note: I do cardio at least 15-20mins a day, and it really must be true about Tren affecting cardio capacity because I'm a hot mess when I'm chugging along, but I've still gotten the job done. I don't see any 5k's in my near future lol.

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Update; Week 4 completed (250 test/ 400tren/ ** added 50mg e/d of anavar)

Weight is 218 @ 10% BF now. starting to see ab definition and strength just won't stop climbing. its almost unfathomable. I know everyone was weary about going higher than 300mg tren because its so anabolic/androgenic but the sides are completely on par with what I had at 300. Night sweats are manageable, mind set is very clear and happy. Euphoric and wellness feeling everyday.

First quarter bloods came back and I have managed my prolactin pretty well, going to up the caber to 1.5mg w/k from 1mg. Estro's are also on par. Just a reminder; i have been using letro at 1.5mg/wk, spotting with nolva/clomid, and again caber.
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Update; Week 5 Completed (250 test/ 400Tren A/ 50mg Anavar/day)

Weight 220 @ 10% BF. This is normally my peak area on 300MG tren.. but I don't see any plateau in sight. My strength is coming a bit slower now, but still going up. Before cycle 5 weeks ago I was flat benching 225 for about 12-15. As I stand now I can bench 225 for about 30-40 reps. my 1-rep max prior to cycle was around 255lbs. Current 1-rep max is a solid 405. I couldn't rep 315 before and now can knock out about 10-12 of them.

Still feel fantastic but the sweats are a definite factor. Night sweats aren't any worse on 400mg then they were at 300mg, but I'm extremely sexually active and single and realized i sweat my fucking face off during a smash session, so that gets a little annoying. Prolactin hasn't even played a factor in my ability to achieve orgasm which bodes well for my control of it. Maintaining an erection hasn't been a problem as well.

I'll have to post up some pics at some point, but I'm continuously leaning out and having that dry vascular look.
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Update; Week 6 Completed (250 test/ 400Tren A/ 50mg Anavar/ed)

Weight tapers down now to 212 @ 9% BF. Strength still trending upward. Cardio capacity has taken a major hit, very easy to over-heat and pour sweat all over all the machines. Maintaining an extreme dry cut look. Shoulders look like cantaloupes, probably my most surprising gain. I'm 6'3" so I don't look like a little muscle hamster. Cramps haven't been a factor at all. I recently had a girl I met on vaca fly to Virginia to meet me for a weekend and libido is outrageous, no prolactin effects on my ability to get or maintain an erection and no problems having an orgasm. This is a testament to the caber for sure. Blood pressure is mostly level with some spikes during the day.

This is slowly becoming one of my best cycles I've chosen to implement. Diet is still very consistent. Vascularity is definite. I have noticed mood fluctuation for sure, its true that this stuff can/ will mess with you at times. But it has been very manageable, Just make sure you're in a good place in your life. If you are disgruntled and angry I would shy away from this as it will enhance that. I had a bad day at work last week which normally would be a minor thing but i honestly felt like i could hulk-smash my way through some walls and throw a tantrum.

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Update; (Week 7 Complete, 250sustanon/400Tren A/ 50mg Anavar)

Weight @ 216, 9-10% BF.

Honest to god my strength still hasn't hit plateau. Great feeling everyday, tight dry look. Abs coming in nicely. I have to say though, I have absolutely noticed what a high amount of Tren can/will do to your moods. Its 100% true. I maintain composure most of the time but things that use to piss me off before are now def-con 5 and I could seriously make a mistake. Someone nearly hit my car the other day and I had to be restrained from getting out. Be careful. I can't do a terrible amount without breaking into a hot-flash and sweating as well.

Just takes a little more concentration and will-power. Other then that I look and feel amazing.

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Update; Week 8 Complete/ 250sustanon, 400tren, 50anavar

Weight is steady at 215lbs, still losing fat

Strength phenomenal, body is getting chiseled. I sweat my dick off in any amount of cardio. My sleep cycle is a bit off and I need to use some Z-quil to get quality sleep. No sexual side effects this far into the cycle still. Now that i've noticed the mood fluctuation its easier to control it.

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Update Week 9 Complete; 250sustanon/400tren/50anavar

Weight is 219 @ 9% BF

Diet has been very consistent still, kept my cholesterol in check with Fish-oil twice a day. Carbs have come from sweet potatoes and grain. I eat a lot of fish, 3-4 times a week. otherwise its chicken. I use whey in the morning and after workouts. Supplement with amino's and micro's twice a day.

all the normal sides have been manageable to this point and strength surely has not stopped gaining although a bit slower now. can't believe it really, 9 weeks down and I'm adding weight to all my lifts still. Gains are extreme quality, skin tearing pumps. Very vascular, no bloat. I feel fantastic

[LaloJR]

Why should you upp the dose if you are getting great results with 300mg of Tren A? Just stay there, there is no reason of increasing the dose if your body reacts good with 300mg.. Just an advice

[MCLord]

Why should you upp the dose if you are getting great results with 300mg of Tren A? Just stay there, there is no reason of increasing the dose if your body reacts good with 300mg.. Just an advice

The results are not the issue. Im quite sensitive to test, and not so much to tren. I'm hoping for the same if not better results without the sides from test.

[kelkel]

Why should you upp the dose if you are getting great results with 300mg of Tren A? Just stay there, there is no reason of increasing the dose if your body reacts good with 300mg.. Just an advice

This is perfect advice. More is not better. I know no one who needs 500 mgs of tren A. No one.

[MCLord]

This is perfect advice. More is not better. I know no one who needs 500 mgs of tren A. No one.

Ok, I'm listening..

You really don't believe there would be added benefit to an additional 200mg/wk Tren? My sides have been mild if any at 300/wk, Thats why I wanted to compare an increase. All in all, I have done about 5 tren cycles and haven't gone over 300. I don't know where the level of drop-off would be, and thus I'm testing the increase. I completely get the "more is not better" but that rings true at different levels.

I know Tren is very anabolic/androgenic and you don't need much, but like I said I want to see what the Return on Investment is with Strength & Size VS. Mg/wk.

Anyhow, thank you for your comments.

[kelkel]

Totally a personal call. Just be honest with yourself then as to whether you really need that much and are depending on it in place of improving nutrition and training etc. I say that as far to many guys nowadays depend on more AAS as opposed to harder work, etc. Not to mention health as a consideration.

If you choose to run it I'd like to hear how you make out. Best of luck!

[LaloJR]

I can guaranty, you will get better results with 300mg of Tren + good diet + good training and sleaping correctly than upping the dose... The time will come, and one day you will need to upp the dose, I dont think its the time for you to upp the dose when you are getting good results with 300mg.. No reason of having more side effects when you can stay lower and still have good results... Do what you want, I am nobody to say what you have to do, good luck

[MCLord]

I was thinking about adding a low dose of anavar and masteron to make it a full on cutting cycle. Opinions on that?

[LaloJR]

What do you think about adding clen? Or maybe winstrol, but remember more isnt always better, that cycle with good diet, will leave you shredded asf

[songdog]

I would lower the test and keep the tren at 300.

[MCLord]

lower the test to TRT values? Any specific reasoning for this, I'm interested.

[LaloJR]

lower the test to TRT values? Any specific reasoning for this, I'm interested.

I am not sure but tren should be in a ratio of 1.3, so if you use 400 of tren, test should be around 300. And TRT I am not sure but I think that is like a post cycle using therapeutic dosages of test. In a blast and cruise you are going to do the cycle in the blast and in the cruise you are going to use low test dosages... I am not sure about it

[MCLord]

i have thought about using clen, but with how the tren swings my body temp I don't think I want to.

[LaloJR]

i have thought about using clen, but with how the tren swings my body temp I don't think I want to.

Coumpounds wont make you look shredded, your diet will. With a good diet, cardio and hard training, you can get really really good with that cycle, maybe you can add T3, winstrol, maesteron... Idk it deppends on how your cycle is going, if you arent having to many problems with side effects and you can afford it I would add something like maesteron, EQ ...

[MCLord]

Bump for anyone that wants to read the log

[LaloJR]

how is it going????????????

[MCLord]

Hey man, thanks for asking.

So far the big comparison has been the difference in lack of water retention and range of motion. When I had test at either 500mg or 750mg I retained much more water and that really affected my rotator-cuff range of motion and my lower back. Not to mention having that semi-bloat look.

With this lower test/higher tren cycle it seems I have blasted through my strength gains, lost a ton of BF, maintained a dryer more vascular look. Im not as "Big" as I was on higher test without all that water retention but you can see all of my gains are super clean and concrete as hell.

Im still hovering between 8-9% BF now, and honestly if I stepped cardio up another notch I could go lower I'm sure. The difference between 300mg of Tren ace and 400mg is pretty substantial in my opinion. My strength gains and fat loss still haven't even tapered down.

*Again, I have done 300mg Tren A along with 500-750mg of test about 5 cycles. And so far the 250 test/400tren cycle blows it out of the water.

[LaloJR]

how do you deal with tren side effects? just wanted to know for some day when I am ready to use it

[MCLord]

You will see body temp fluctuation as one of the biggest hurdles. Not a terrible amount you can do for that. Dress accordingly, don't catch yourself in 2 sweaters in a closed room. Keep a fan on you during bed-time. Sexual side effects like ED and anorgasmia can be helped with Caber. Watch your progestin and prolactin levels closely. Like I mentioned in the log, it will at times affect your mood as well.

Those are the only sides that I've really had to deal with. And the difference between the sides on 300mg and 400mg has been really minimal.

[LaloJR]

wow man thanks really what dosages should a noobie use in his first tren cycle?

[Mr. Small]

Soooo......what was the net gain in poundages?

[MCLord]

wow man thanks really what dosages should a noobie use in his first tren cycle?

Im glad this log could shed some light. If you're ready for Tren I would suggest staying with the Acetate ester so you can bail out of it quick incase you don't like the sides. I would suggest 300mg/wk (100mg eod). I wouldn't recommend using Tren on your first cycle though, you still want to see how your body handles extra testosterone. This way you know what to expect with test first and you won't get confused as to what compound is making what side effect.

If you start with too many compounds that will be too many variables to figure out what your body does well with and what it doesn't.

You can still make great gains on just 500mg Test/wk for your first time.

[MCLord]

Soooo......what was the net gain in poundages?

So far net mass has been +10lbs in weight but went from nearly 13%BF down to 9%. Gains have been extremely clean and dry looking. Vascular and cut. My strength is higher now than when I gained 20lbs using a different mix last cycle.