Arnold's Routines

[Njectable]

Sup guys, well as most of you know Arnold is pretty much an icon and motivation to alot of us who work out and bodybuild. So a couple days ago i went and picked up his book so i could further my knowledge and maybe better understand the body. I'm not sure if any of you have seen or read it but its titled "The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding".

I obviously haven't made it through the whole book as it's over 800 pages of detailed information. But i have read far enough into it which has caused some questions and speculation because some of the information does not match up to what is preached continously on this forum.

The biggest thing that is clashing with the information i have learned and pulled from this forum and other users, is his routines he has listed in the book, he has basic princibles for working out, and a routine labeled as "basic" and also routines labeled as "advanced", and i think later on he actually goes into programs designed for those who are competeing and need to focus on every muscle separation and striation, etc.

I will give you an example of one of his programs that is labeled as "advanced" because i've been lifting for several years now and would like to atleast be able to classify myself as a "advanced lifter" and not a beginner, but i'll admit even his "basic" routines he has created involve far more sets and excercises and most of you recommend performing.

Ok here is one example of one of his "advanced programs"
Mon-Morning-Chest,Back Evening-Thighs,Calves
Tue-Morning-Shoulders, upper arms, forearms, calves
Wed-Repeat Mon(Chest,Back Evening-Thighs,Calves)
Thur-Repeat Tue(Shoulders, upper arms, forearms, calves)
Fri-Repeat Mon(Chest,Back Evening-Thighs,Calves)
Sat-Repeat Tue(Shoulders, upper arms, forearms, calves)
Sun-Rest

Ok now without even going into sets and reps he mentions you can see one thing, not only is he working out each muscle 3 times a week, but he's working out twice a day for 3 of the days, upper in the morning, followed by lower at night. Now one thing i've taught myself mainly from the information i've read over the years on this forum, is that alot of the veterans and most the users on here don't recommend hitting a body part twice a week, let alone 3 times, and if you were to ever post a routine like this saying u created it urself, the thread would get probably about 50 replies from people saying that is way too much, and that is overtraining by far, and how its the worst routine they have ever seen.

Now you haven't seen anything yet, now look at one of his actual workouts. I'll show you the Chest,Back,Thighs,Calves routine. Keep in mind he suggest this routine not be done once a week but rather 3 times a week.
Morning;

Chest
BB bench - 4 sets: 1 set of 15 rep warmup; sets of 10,8,6,4reps, stripping weight off for last two sets

BB incline bench - 4 sets; same formula as flat bench
DB flys-3 sets,10,8,6reps
Parallel Bar Dip-3 sets,15,10,8reps
Pullovers- 3 sets of 15 reps
(Total-17 sets for chest)

Back
Chin-Ups-4 sets;10 reps minimum eachs set
Close grip chins-4 sets of 10reps
T-Bar rows-4 sets of 15,12,8,6reps
Bent over BB rows-4 sets of 8-12reps
(where's deadlifts u ask? Well he adds those in once you get to the Competition level program which is even crazier with pretty much all supersets and trisets)
(Total-16 sets for back)

Evening;

Thighs
Squats-5sets of 10,8,6,4reps, 20 rep warmup
Front Squats-4 sets of 10,8,8,6reps
Hack Squats- 3 sets of 10reps
Leg curls-4 sets of 20,10,8,6reps
Standing leg curls-4sets of 10 reps
Straight Leg deadlifts-3set of 10reps
(Total-23 sets for legs excluding Calves!)

Calves
donkey Calf Raises-4sets of 10reps
Standing Calf raises-4 sets of 15,10,8,8reps

Abs(performed everyday except sunday, so 6 days a week!?)
Crunches-3 sets of 25 reps
Bent over twists-100reps each side
Machine crunches-3 sets of 25
Crunches-50reps

Now i'm sure you can make distinct differences urself from information that is shared on this forum and to Arnold's "advanced" routine, which isn't even nearly as advanced as the competition programs he has designed. But if you can't pick out differences between the 2 sources of information let me help.

Forum-12sets for large muscle groups is what i have seen usually stressed on here(4 excercises and 4 sets for each)Typically i've noticed if someone posts a routine that is near 16 or more sets for that muscle group they will get called out and told that it may and is likely overtraining. Smaller muscle groups i've seen anywhere from 6-9sets in suffiecient, i didn't go into arnold's shoulder,bicep,or tricep routine but i can tell you he has 12 sets for each.

Forum-Only train each muscle once a week, twice a week max! And allow 74 hours rest before he hitting that group. Arnold's method, 3 times a week, only allowing 48 hours recovery between.

Those are the 2 biggest differences between the two sources that is creating some conflict for me. Not even mentioning that i rarely see anyone mention on here or suggest to put 2 large upper body groups together into a split such as Chest, and back, but that is not so much of a question for me because i would be changing the splits around, no way would i be able to do chest and back together. My main concern in the number of sets he is doing to what i have picked up and thought was correct throughout the years.

One thing is certain one look at Arnold and you can tell he has obviously done something right and i think it goes way beyond just lots of deca and dbol. In order to get a physique like that his training must of been doing wonders for him. I realise the times have changed and Arnold is old school, thats then, and this is now, but i don't believe the human body has evolved in 10-20 years to the point where we should see such differences in programs like his and programs that are recommended on here. Arnold's gains speak for themself, and i don't think anyone can stand infront of him and tell him he's been doing it all wrong.

I realise everybody has a different body type and requires a slightly different approach in their training, and Arnold actually mentions that in his book, that what worked for him may not for for others, but he said his programs should be used as a guideline and to pretty much listen to your body and hear what its telling you. I have had times where i feel i could probably hit a body part 2 times a week maybe even 3 times a week, but i rarely do this because of what i have been told from other sources, and i never go beyond 4-5days a week of resistance training. Just wanted to get some other people's oppinions on what they thought about his routine in relation to what alot of us do and believe today.

[Njectable]

Sorry for the huge post too, i wasn't trying to fit Arnold's 800pages into one post, i swear! lol, but hopefully some of you will take the time to read it and state your oppion, because it took some time to type and share that information.

[24labor]

Man that would be mad overtraining for me there. I hate working more than 2 days in a row. Good thing he was a freak of nature and had genes of a god

[Njectable]

Man that would be mad overtraining for me there. I hate working more than 2 days in a row. Good thing he was a freak of nature and had genes of a god

lol, ya u said it bro, i'm telling u though this book is motivational enough, like seeing pictures of Arnold, and Franco, and Flex, makes me wanna get to the gym and try some of this shit that is mentioned in the book. I will admit when i first seen his routines he was recommending, i was like wtf? How can one person do all that and still move, let alone come in 5 more times that week, but it makes u think and say to urself, "hey, if it worked for arnold and his workout partner franco, then why wouldn't the same intensity skyrocket my physique to new places." Like i remember reading somewhere in their that at one point in his life he could expect to gain a inch on his arms, maybe 2-3 inches to his chest, and lose 4 inches off his waist each couple months! Guy had to have been superhuman.

I'm learning alot though, even if i don't follow his routines he has laid out theirs still like 781 pages of valuable information lol. I recommend the book to anyone though who is always looking for more information to better themselves.

I guess i should of expected that his routines would be intense though coming from the guy who compared working out to sex and once said "Working out feels like i'm cummming!" lol.

[biglouie250]

a lot of what was written in that book has become obsolete. still some of his principles hold true and yes he was a genetic freak but there are many many different training methods that people have used to build great physiques. Mike Mentzer's training being a perfect example. arnold also ran 5 miles every morning, you wont see a pro BB do that lol. one thing that you touch on with arnolds routine is his crazy training schedule. In the years that followed arnolds dominance rest has become increasingly important(and resting the CNS) as more studies indicate how important rest is to growth. Simply put Arnold did the best he could with the information available at that time.

[DutchCowboy]

a lot of what was written in that book has become obsolete. still some of his principles hold true and yes he was a genetic freak but there are many many different training methods that people have used to build great physiques. Mike Mentzer's training being a perfect example. arnold also ran 5 miles every morning, you wont see a pro BB do that lol. one thing that you touch on with arnolds routine is his crazy training schedule. In the years that followed arnolds dominance rest has become increasingly important(and resting the CNS) as more studies indicate how important rest is to growth. Simply put Arnold did the best he could with the information available at that time.

So are you saying that if Arnold knew then what we know now, that he could have been much bigger than he was? I wonder how he would have reacted to a low volume training routine like the ones popular on this site?

[biglouie250]

So are you saying that if Arnold knew then what we know now, that he could have been much bigger than he was? I wonder how he would have reacted to a low volume training routine like the ones popular on this site?

its possible. his legs would certainly be bigger because today he wouldnt be running 5 miles ED. Many BB of that time had upper bodies that dominated their lower bodies this is probably one reason why. Tom Platz being a genetic abberation of course.

dont forget BB then was different. Size was not as important as symetry and a more natural looking physique. Those guys hit vacuum poses, id like to see jay or ronnie try that with their distended guts.

[Natty99]

Arnold really is cyborg

[24labor]

So are you saying that if Arnold knew then what we know now, that he could have been much bigger than he was? I wonder how he would have reacted to a low volume training routine like the ones popular on this site?

not only just training information, but imagine the breakthroughs with diet and nutrition knwoledge, supplements and AAS info. I'm pretty sure PCT might not have been too common back then but they poped those dbol and hit the gym anyways.

[TheDfromGC]

ive never looked to copy routines of bodybuilders like arnold or coleman, etc....i remember somebody saying paul dillet could have gotten huge from mowing lawns with a push mower, which i would agree with. this goes for most of the mass monsters u see. with there genes, just about any type of lifting they do, theyll probably put on size from it, regardless if its too many sets, not enough sets, bad form, etc.... their workouts work good for them and can be decent outline for somebody looking for routine but to the other 95% of human population with average genetics, the workouts need ALOT of modification to work

[gymrat12345]

Man that would be mad overtraining for me there. I hate working more than 2 days in a row. Good thing he was a freak of nature and had genes of a god

word...2 days on 1 day off is good split!

arnold's training an ddiet tips arevery outdated.

i like to see arnold on today's drugs...know that would be impressive

[Njectable]

ive never looked to copy routines of bodybuilders like arnold or coleman, etc....i remember somebody saying paul dillet could have gotten huge from mowing lawns with a push mower, which i would agree with. this goes for most of the mass monsters u see. with there genes, just about any type of lifting they do, theyll probably put on size from it, regardless if its too many sets, not enough sets, bad form, etc.... their workouts work good for them and can be decent outline for somebody looking for routine but to the other 95% of human population with average genetics, the workouts need ALOT of modification to work

ya copying arnold's routines weren't really in the back of my mind, i have made many programs for myself that have given me good results and have completed a personal training course and so on, so i'm capable of making my own routine, but your always looking for ways to gain faster and give you that advantage over everyone else which is why i try and continue to learn as much as possible, but it did make me curious looking at his routines, and it crossed my mind that maybe if i were to try training like that i could achieve the same rapid growth he did, but like alot of you said it mainly comes down to genetics with these guys.

Also biglouie u made a good point, by stating back then it was primarly all about symetry and separation from one muscle to another, and seeing each muscle pop out, as opposed to just pure size. Arnold actually stresses on this with a great deal of depth in his book about how you should be able to clearly distinguish each muscle and see the separation between say your deltoids and ur pecs for example. I can't say i really follow bodybuilding a whole lot nowadays and know what judges look for, but ur probably right by saying today's competitors like ronnie, and cutler main priority is pure size, i can imagine they are still looking for that symetry to some extent but maybe not quite as much as they did back in arnold's time, which would explain why Arnold stresses so much on supersets, and trisets, and not really taking a whole lot of time inbetween sets to rest, he was trying to get that definition that was required to get on top of the game.

Was just curious to see what you guys had to say about the differences in training between then and now. I haven't made it to the dieting section of his book yet, but i can imagine theirs noticable differences there too.

[TheDfromGC]

ya copying arnold's routines weren't really in the back of my mind, i have made many programs for myself that have given me good results and have completed a personal training course and so on, so i'm capable of making my own routine, but your always looking for ways to gain faster and give you that advantage over everyone else which is why i try and continue to learn as much as possible, but it did make me curious looking at his routines, and it crossed my mind that maybe if i were to try training like that i could achieve the same rapid growth he did, but like alot of you said it mainly comes down to genetics with these guys.

Also biglouie u made a good point, by stating back then it was primarly all about symetry and separation from one muscle to another, and seeing each muscle pop out, as opposed to just pure size. Arnold actually stresses on this with a great deal of depth in his book about how you should be able to clearly distinguish each muscle and see the separation between say your deltoids and ur pecs for example. I can't say i really follow bodybuilding a whole lot nowadays and know what judges look for, but ur probably right by saying today's competitors like ronnie, and cutler main priority is pure size, i can imagine they are still looking for that symetry to some extent but maybe not quite as much as they did back in arnold's time, which would explain why Arnold stresses so much on supersets, and trisets, and not really taking a whole lot of time inbetween sets to rest, he was trying to get that definition that was required to get on top of the game.

Was just curious to see what you guys had to say about the differences in training between then and now. I haven't made it to the dieting section of his book yet, but i can imagine theirs noticable differences there too.

i see arnolds methods as outdated. sure theres good advice, its interesting, etc....but many of his routines are outdated and not with the times. nothing against arnold but he was a competitor not a personal trainer. he has tons of lifting experience and diet, but his methods were focused to get him big. i think if i was really looking for good advice id look into a recent book, within past few years from an author who has made career of personal training and worked with hundreds of different people/bodytypes compared to arnold whos career focus was his own body.

[24labor]

i see arnolds methods as outdated. sure theres good advice, its interesting, etc....but many of his routines are outdated and not with the times. nothing against arnold but he was a competitor not a personal trainer. he has tons of lifting experience and diet, but his methods were focused to get him big. i think if i was really looking for good advice id look into a recent book, within past few years from an author who has made career of personal training and worked with hundreds of different people/bodytypes compared to arnold whos career focus was his own body.

word I mean the field of weight training has expanded 100% since the days of arnold I mean people make their careers out of it both personal and scientific Arnold had good ideas and training styles, but a lot has changed many diffrent styles for diffrent people like stated above

[Njectable]

ok well i see alot of u are assuming or atleast it seems ur assuming that this book dates back to 1980, and is written in pen, from some of the comments u have made, but supposably and its says right on the cover says Fully Revised, and Updated, and the copyright reads, 1985,1998 so i take it was orginally written in 1985 and has been updated to the changes as time progresses.

For example for certain excercises he uses references and refers to other bodybuilders some being from todays time such as Ronnie, and uses them to help illustrate how to work a certain muscle group for which they are pronouned and known widely for. For example if their was a certain bodybuilder who was notorious for the width of their back and a huge, noticable taper coming from their Lats down to their waist then he used them as a reference on how to train ur back or atleast urs Lats, i don't have the book right beside me so i can't refer to actual names and who he uses to help illustrate which body group, but apparently the book is not just based entirely on Arnold's point of view. And you would think beings its been totally updated and actually completely rewritten for today's time. You would think that today Arnold's training has evolved with more information and the more knowledge that we now have on how to train our bodies as opposed to the information they had back then, and you would think that when he goes to the gym today, ya i'm sure he doesn't maybe train as intensely as he did when he competed but you would think he would be training differently now even if he was still competing and still shooting for the same goals, then how he was back then, so u would wonder why with the book being updated its still so out of proportion.

[Njectable]

Anyways its 3am here so i'm out for the night, please don't get me wrong either as i continue to go on and on about this shit and the "book". I'm not here to try and promote sales and get u guys to go out and buy the book lol, or even to stick up for arnold's training routines,etc, which hopefully u guys aren't taking it as. Just trying to better understand this and have a constructive discussion about the evolving times of BBing.

[Growingpains]

I think the gist of the whole book is the fact that it comes from a completely different school of thought. Some people are advocates of reps and muscular endurance whereas others are for low reps heavy weights.

I taught myself how to lift with this book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think that an important note, however, is the notice the fact that Arnold also says to forget about the high rep workouts occasionally and use super heavy weights to inspire more growth.

What are your thoughts moto?

P.S. I read this book all the time and I am glad to see you bought it. For me, it really inspires me and shows me how you can't take easy ways out because Arnold still worked his ass off even while using gear.

GP

[S.P.G]

a lot of what was written in that book has become obsolete. still some of his principles hold true and yes he was a genetic freak but there are many many different training methods that people have used to build great physiques. Mike Mentzer's training being a perfect example. arnold also ran 5 miles every morning, you wont see a pro BB do that lol. one thing that you touch on with arnolds routine is his crazy training schedule. In the years that followed arnolds dominance rest has become increasingly important(and resting the CNS) as more studies indicate how important rest is to growth. Simply put Arnold did the best he could with the information available at that time.

i agree.....

[sensaispike]

I am a personal trainer and a fitness major in college and I know that for hypertrophy everything I have learned has said to use moderate weight moderate reps (like 12-15) but I also am a firm believer in periodazation, that was also a huge point that was said to be essential..... Just my 2 cent

L8ter

[biglouie250]

the book really wasnt updated at all, just a different printing and new cover so more people buy it. a few more pictures were added in but nothing special. i think his ab training still includes straight leg situps as opposed to the standard bent leg crunch/situp.

[Njectable]

I think the gist of the whole book is the fact that it comes from a completely different school of thought. Some people are advocates of reps and muscular endurance whereas others are for low reps heavy weights.

I taught myself how to lift with this book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I think that an important note, however, is the notice the fact that Arnold also says to forget about the high rep workouts occasionally and use super heavy weights to inspire more growth.

What are your thoughts moto?

P.S. I read this book all the time and I am glad to see you bought it. For me, it really inspires me and shows me how you can't take easy ways out because Arnold still worked his ass off even while using gear.

GP

ya its really a great book for motivation if for nothing else, i find everytime that i read a little more of it, i'm inspired to get up to the gym and push myself a little harder then before to achieve maximum results, and ya i agree with you growingpains that throughout the book Arnold stresses on how important it is to add certain days where you basically get up to the gym and powerlift where you only do sets with reps of,3,2,1 to really help increase your strength. I myself don't incorporate alot of these days in but i think i may do this from time to time just to shock the body a little more.

My routines mainly consist of what is preached today, i shoot for 4-8reps and usually 4or5 sets of compound movements and 3 or 4 sets for isolation movements, and for larger muscle groups i usually only tend to do 4 exercises so a total of 12 to 15sets max depending how i feel that day, and for smaller muscle groups, i will do anywhere from 6 to 9sets total, as opposed to what Arnold has illustrated where he recommends doing sets of 8-12reps for a majority of ur workouts, and nearly 20 sets for each group. Like i said my training scheme has worked great for me, so i'm not sure why i started looking into Arnold's routines with such detail, but i just found it interesting how times and how our routines have developed so much over time. I know when i first started i did use the 8-12rep range though, which i think is good for those beginning or doing basic lifting, but i found that the results are so much better when you cut the reps down and go heavier as you start to progress and become more advanced.

[TheDfromGC]

the book really wasnt updated at all, just a different printing and new cover so more people buy it. a few more pictures were added in but nothing special. i think his ab training still includes straight leg situps as opposed to the standard bent leg crunch/situp.

same thing thats done with movies. they release one on video then after a couple years theyll release a special edition dvd with deleted scenes or some new extras the first one didnt have. same movie but their hoping a couple additions will respark sales, and help their overall goal of more money in their pockets.

[Kärnfysikern]

arnolds book is a good read for entertainment and for all the excelent pictures and a look into how they did things back then. But as a source of information its crap

[Njectable]

same thing thats done with movies. they release one on video then after a couple years theyll release a special edition dvd with deleted scenes or some new extras the first one didnt have. same movie but their hoping a couple additions will respark sales, and help their overall goal of more money in their pockets.

ya u make a very good point.

[DutchCowboy]

it may be obsolete but it is definitely not crap my friends. The fact of the matter is that IT WORKED then and it will STILL work today! You don't win Mr. Olympia or Mr. Universe by having a crappy build. Arnold was amazing back in the day. Maybe he doesn't compare to some of today's greats but I would bet any of us would pay big money to look like Arnold did.

Call his book crap, but he looked better than 99% of us ever will.


cheers

[TheDfromGC]

it may be obsolete but it is definitely not crap my friends. The fact of the matter is that IT WORKED then and it will STILL work today! You don't win Mr. Olympia or Mr. Universe by having a crappy build. Arnold was amazing back in the day. Maybe he doesn't compare to some of today's greats but I would bet any of us would pay big money to look like Arnold did.

Call his book crap, but he looked better than 99% of us ever will.


cheers

funny when people chime in on thread without reading previous posts. according to u we would all look like arnold if we followed his exact routine because he won olympia and universe....wow i had no idea, and this whole time i was thinking it had something to do with genetics ....i better get his book and get started ASAP

[24labor]

it may be obsolete but it is definitely not crap my friends. The fact of the matter is that IT WORKED then and it will STILL work today! You don't win Mr. Olympia or Mr. Universe by having a crappy build. Arnold was amazing back in the day. Maybe he doesn't compare to some of today's greats but I would bet any of us would pay big money to look like Arnold did.

Call his book crap, but he looked better than 99% of us ever will.


cheers

True I have the book and it is good and I did use it to help me get started a few years ago, but following his style might not be the way to go for some people I'm sure dorian yates would laugh at arnolds style b/c yates did HIT style training and you can't complain about the results. Some like lots of work like arnie and some like short and sweet

[Njectable]

True I have the book and it is good and I did use it to help me get started a few years ago, but following his style might not be the way to go for some people I'm sure dorian yates would laugh at arnolds style b/c yates did HIT style training and you can't complain about the results. Some like lots of work like arnie and some like short and sweet

very true, different boats for different folks.

[DutchCowboy]

funny when people chime in on thread without reading previous posts. according to u we would all look like arnold if we followed his exact routine because he won olympia and universe....wow i had no idea, and this whole time i was thinking it had something to do with genetics ....i better get his book and get started ASAP

Why do you have to be an ass hole? I'm not even going to entertain your argument.

cheers

[binny]

i see arnolds methods as outdated. sure theres good advice, its interesting, etc....but many of his routines are outdated and not with the times. nothing against arnold but he was a competitor not a personal trainer. he has tons of lifting experience and diet, but his methods were focused to get him big. i think if i was really looking for good advice id look into a recent book, within past few years from an author who has made career of personal training and worked with hundreds of different people/bodytypes compared to arnold whos career focus was his own body.

how could u say its "outdated" bro? what exactly makes it outdated? Human physiology was the same back then as it is now. Just because we have tons of new techniques doesnt mean the old school techniques are obsolete. What do you mean by "not with the times"? What have the times changed? New steroids and new machines probably! but we still have the same body! I do agree with ur point that he mainly focused on his own body.

REMEMBER: Theres a big difference between :OUTDATED (old-fashioned) and OBSOLETE (No longer working)

[abokeef]

I have this book. I used( each mucsle twice a week routine) for a while.I learned how to train hard from that, and got a great result. But the problem is I can't imagin myself doin it again. Bc, it's too hard + too long. But I loved it.lol..my 2 cents

[Kärnfysikern]

how could u say its "outdated" bro? what exactly makes it outdated? Human physiology was the same back then as it is now. Just because we have tons of new techniques doesnt mean the old school techniques are obsolete. What do you mean by "not with the times"? What have the times changed? New steroids and new machines probably! but we still have the same body! I do agree with ur point that he mainly focused on his own body.

REMEMBER: Theres a big difference between :OUTDATED (old-fashioned) and OBSOLETE (No longer working)

Arnolds methods work for maby 0.001% of people in the world. Those with genetics good enough to handle 4 hours of workout 6 times a day. For the rest of us without those genetics his methods are just fun to read but if we try them out we wont only lose muscle we will also toast our immune system because of the tremendous strain workouts like that put on the body(been there, done that). Working out like that just isnt healthy.

[biglouie250]

how could u say its "outdated" bro? what exactly makes it outdated? Human physiology was the same back then as it is now. Just because we have tons of new techniques doesnt mean the old school techniques are obsolete. What do you mean by "not with the times"? What have the times changed? New steroids and new machines probably! but we still have the same body! I do agree with ur point that he mainly focused on his own body.

REMEMBER: Theres a big difference between :OUTDATED (old-fashioned) and OBSOLETE (No longer working)

human physiology was the same yes, but our knowledge of human physiology has increased vastly. like i stated earlier, rest is a component of training that is taken more seriously today then in arnies day. that is just one example.

[Rictor33]

Arnolds genetics were incredible... And I still do not believe that he worked out as hard as he says he did in his book.. If he worked with that intensity that frequently (even with lots of gear) he would overtrain himself into a point of not gaining shit... Even if he did do what he says and manage to build what he did from that much intensity and frequency, I would say it is due to his incredible genetics with the help of some basic gear (test/dbol/deca the shit that was around back then).. My point is... The average person with average genetics could not gain as well with that type of training as some more modern training (higher intensity, more rest) because the frequency does not leave the body enough time to rest between workouts (thats when you grow).. It would be literally impossible to keep up the required intensity to grow with that kind of workout frequency...

[Fraser_]

I have read some of the book. It inspired me to dig down and work harder at the gym.. Some good advice in there.

[goodcents]

Good genetics- having a good dealer Don't kill me
I just get tired of workout ads saying "xyz over the counter crap and good genetics is why I won "Mr. whatever contest"
p.s. I do believe genetics plays a large part, but I do belive almost anyone can look "good (not pro)" if they follow a strict diet, workout routine and take steriods (optional). No one part alone can make a great body.

[stunner5000pt]

that info is obsolete... as many have said

looks like some serious overtraining

and who has time to go work out twice a day??
Isn't it Mike Mentzer who rendered this info obsolete by saying that 'less is more' when it comes to bodybuilding?

[UberSteroids]

Hey man, You never know, maybe You have genes of Gods too, try that routine and see if it works for You. Simple.
Obviously he knew what he was doing, doing what worked best for HIM.
Give it a shot, see what happens.
Dang, this topic is old