Obama's mentor, or whatever

[Act of God]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Obama has been going to his church for over 20 years, was married by him, and had him baptize both daughters. Not exactly just some guy he knows

My favorite parts include:

America caused 9-11
Constantly talking about "white people"
No one caring he's a flat out race hater and he's Obama's boy.

[BgMc31]

Funny how no one jas pointed out that Pat Robertson made similar statements about 911 among other hate filled rhetoric and yet politicians have still sought his guidence and support. Also there were a number of politicians (both democrat and republican) who were members of Ted Haggerts church, but no one is asked to explain themselves. Mitt Romney's mormom faith taught that blacks were a cursed people and inferior (supported until 1979). Mitts been mormom all his life...he hasn't had to explain that. Why the double standards?

[BITTAPART2]

^^^umm but Obama is black and his middle name isnt the same as most white american christians. isnt that enough reason we dont bring up all of your examples? (sarcasm)

[lotaquestions]

Funny how no one jas pointed out that Pat Robertson made similar statements about 911 among other hate filled rhetoric and yet politicians have still sought his guidence and support. Also there were a number of politicians (both democrat and republican) who were members of Ted Haggerts church, but no one is asked to explain themselves. Mitt Romney's mormom faith taught that blacks were a cursed people and inferior (supported until 1979). Mitts been mormom all his life...he hasn't had to explain that. Why the double standards?

mitt had to address his faith for the first two months of his campaine....where were you.

[BgMc31]

mitt had to address his faith for the first two months of his campaine....where were you.

obviously I was paying attention and you weren't! Mitt never had to explain that particular portion of the Mormon doctrine. He only really discussed the polygamist portion and how the Mormom faith is an authentic Christian sect. No one is questioning Obama's Christianity...oh wait...people have.

[Amorphic]

i still dont understand the retoric behind why religion is important in politics.

[BITTAPART2]

and his funky mormon underware LOL

[Act of God]

Funny how no one jas pointed out that Pat Robertson made similar statements about 911 among other hate filled rhetoric and yet politicians have still sought his guidence and support. Also there were a number of politicians (both democrat and republican) who were members of Ted Haggerts church, but no one is asked to explain themselves. Mitt Romney's mormom faith taught that blacks were a cursed people and inferior (supported until 1979). Mitts been mormom all his life...he hasn't had to explain that. Why the double standards?

Don't forget, this guy also preached that America created AIDS to kill black people. Yes, he said that.

He also said tons of anti-semetic remarks and gave Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award.

Just today, Obama released a statement denouncing what the guy said. However, he went to this guy for 20 years. Sounds like lip service to me. Sorry, but "kill whitey" isn't exactly presidential class.

[lotaquestions]

obama is a racist communist....j/k but if he was white that would be the tidle of every newspaper in the nation.

[scriptfactory]

Don't forget, this guy also preached that America created AIDS to kill black people. Yes, he said that.

He also said tons of anti-semetic remarks and gave Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award.

Just today, Obama released a statement denouncing what the guy said. However, he went to this guy for 20 years. Sounds like lip service to me. Sorry, but "kill whitey" isn't exactly presidential class.

Whoa. Is that what Obama has said? I know you wouldn't be judging Obama for the actions of others...right?

[J431S]

this political attack on Obama is all nonesence. he should be judge by what he said and stand on and not by what other pastor preach inspite of his close association.

[Act of God]

Whoa. Is that what Obama has said? I know you wouldn't be judging Obama for the actions of others...right?

I sure am going to judge him. This man is a personal friend of his for over 20 years. Sorry, but if one of my friends started going on some crazy racist ranting, in public mind you, I would sure as hell run the other way. ESPECIALLY if I was a public official.

quote from a NYT article back in APR http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us...ll&oref=slogin

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

Worst case - Obama thinks the same way
Best case - He implicitly accepts it or doesn't think its THAT bad


Additionally, if he was white and this kinda story came out he would have been OUT OF THE RACE already.

[BITTAPART2]

Now how is it that Obama is a racist again? I have a friend that is in PETA and I eat animals and hunt so we just dont go there when we talk, we are friends but we differ in oppinions, if he is going to go set free 1000 minks from a cage, I wont be going with him. Just like you wont see Obama doing or saying anything racist because he is 50% WHITE!!! hes racist against his mom now? BTW act of god your jacked!

[scriptfactory]

Now how is it that Obama is a racist again? I have a friend that is in PETA and I eat animals and hunt so we just dont go there when we talk, we are friends but we differ in oppinions, if he is going to go set free 1000 minks from a cage, I wont be going with him. Just like you wont see Obama doing or saying anything racist because he is 50% WHITE!!! hes racist against his mom now? BTW act of god your jacked!

People seem to forget that fact. 1% black == 100% black, I guess. Gawd, I'm so sick of the whole race issue, really.

And, yes, AoG is jacked as hell. :-)

[BgMc31]

I sure am going to judge him. This man is a personal friend of his for over 20 years. Sorry, but if one of my friends started going on some crazy racist ranting, in public mind you, I would sure as hell run the other way. ESPECIALLY if I was a public official.

quote from a NYT article back in APR http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us...ll&oref=slogin

“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”

Worst case - Obama thinks the same way
Best case - He implicitly accepts it or doesn't think its THAT bad


Additionally, if he was white and this kinda story came out he would have been OUT OF THE RACE already.

that's absurd! Every republican, including republican hero Ronald Reagan, courted and supported Strom Thurman. But none suffered because of his beliefs. The fact remains every white person knows a racist, or someone who harbors racist beliefs (not to mention referring to blacks as the n word in private or telling the occasional black joke) and every black person knows an angry black person that blames all their troubles on 'whitey' or 'the man'. That doesn't mean you subscribe to those sentiments yourself. Barack being racist would be considered self hate because he IS half white. As a matter of fact Barack wasn't raised in a stereotypical black family. His exposure to blacks was limited until after his college days (considering he was raised by a white mother in Hawai'i, and attended Ivy league college, both of which have very limited black population).

I love how far right talk show hosts (Savage, Levin, Hannity, and Limbaugh) are so excited about finding out these new revelations. The thought of a black president was really causing them and others to lose sleep. IMO this will keep Barack from obtaining the nomination and proves that this country isn't ready for a black president. Both Clinton and McCain have had some very questionable affiliations (especially Clinton), none of which can/will keep them from their party's nomination.

[zartan]

look into Michelle Obama's princeton thesis... its pretty crappy writing, and she seems to see everything through the prism of race.

And I was kind of excited about having a presidential candidate i actually liked... reading that thesis killed it. I can't quote it verbatim but she said something along the lines of "I will always strive to do the most for the Black Community, first and foremost." Thats fine for someone who wants to dedicate their life to helping a group of people, but not for a first lady.

[BgMc31]

why is it ok for a Jew to do things for their community first or Asians, or Hispanics, but not blacks?

Its funny how someone is attacking a princeton thesis that earned her high marks. What college did u attend? If it wasn't Yale, Havard, Columbia, Oxford or any other ivy league school, you don't have much credibility. Besides when she wrote that in the 80s did she know she was gonna be first lady? And what was actually wrong with what she said.

Again someone looking for a reason NOT to vote for Obama rather than a reason to vote for him. To each his own...I guess!

[zartan]

why is it ok for a Jew to do things for their community first or Asians, or Hispanics, but not blacks?

Its funny how someone is attacking a princeton thesis that earned her high marks. What college did u attend? If it wasn't Yale, Havard, Columbia, Oxford or any other ivy league school, you don't have much credibility. Besides when she wrote that in the 80s did she know she was gonna be first lady? And what was actually wrong with what she said.

Again someone looking for a reason NOT to vote for Obama rather than a reason to vote for him. To each his own...I guess!

Of course its ok for someone to do things for "their community" but when someone says they will always try to help "first and foremost" a certain community based on the color of the skin of the folks who reside there, I think that person is not exactly "first lady" material. I want someone who will look out for everyone equally, not the %12 black "first and foremost", and not have some militant racial agenda.

Did you even read the paper? “{Black Power advocate] Stokely Carmichael and Charles Hamilton’s (1967) developed definitions of separationism in their discussion of Black Power…guided me in the formulation and use of this concept in the study.”

If you listen to a lot of the stuff she says even today, you can tell she is very focused on race, Barracks 20 year affiliation with that pastor is nothing in comparison with the fact he married someone who can't get passed skin tone.

Your response is insulting. Do i have to attend an ivy league school to have an opinion? What kind of intellectual Nazi are you?

[scriptfactory]

look into Michelle Obama's princeton thesis... its pretty crappy writing, and she seems to see everything through the prism of race.

And I was kind of excited about having a presidential candidate i actually liked... reading that thesis killed it. I can't quote it verbatim but she said something along the lines of "I will always strive to do the most for the Black Community, first and foremost." Thats fine for someone who wants to dedicate their life to helping a group of people, but not for a first lady.

The thesis she wrote in her early 20's? Gawd, if I was judged for the things I did in my early 20's I'd probably...be...in jail. lol

No, really. Who gives a damn? I read most of it and it is a bland, PC work to get a good grade. I think I know the part that you are referring to. She said that when she first started school she was very "pro-black" and as time progressed she basically became "pro-self", like most of her classmates.

[scriptfactory]

Of course its ok for someone to do things for "their community" but when someone says they will always try to help "first and foremost" a certain community based on the color of the skin of the folks who reside there, I think that person is not exactly "first lady" material. I want someone who will look out for everyone, not have some racist agenda.

Laughable response. Do i have to attend an ivy league school to have an opinion? What kind of intellectual Nazi are you?

Read it, then form an opinion. I doubt you'll be able to make it all the way through. It's boring as hell and I was no wiser after finishing it. Honestly, reading "Animal Farm" for the 10th time would have been a more worthwhile way to spend my day. :-) Awesome book, that is.

[zartan]

Read it, then form an opinion. I doubt you'll be able to make it all the way through. It's boring as hell and I was no wiser after finishing it. Honestly, reading "Animal Farm" for the 10th time would have been a more worthwhile way to spend my day. :-) Awesome book, that is.

Clearly I did read it, thats why I was suggesting other people take a look. And you're wrong, the point of the paper is to determine if Black alumni will go out and help Black Communities "first and foremost" and she is DISAPPOINTED to find out the few alumni that responded to her racist survey were able to get passed such a close minded view that they should go out and help people with similiar skin color.

[zartan]

Seriously, this is someone who said she has never been proud of america in her life, until finally her husband started winning against Hitlery in the democratic primary

[zartan]

No, really. Who gives a damn? I read most of it and it is a bland, PC work to get a good grade. I think I know the part that you are referring to. She said that when she first started school she was very "pro-black" and as time progressed she basically became "pro-self", like most of her classmates.

If that was your take on it, then your reading comprehension is not so great and this conversation is a moot point, like trying to explain the color blue to a blind man

from the opening of her thesis:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

"Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "Blackness" than ever before. I found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.
These experineces have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desireable."

Where in there did she become pro-self?

[scriptfactory]

If that was your take on it, then your reading comprehension is not so great and this conversation is a moot point, like trying to explain the color blue to a blind man

from the opening of her thesis:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

"Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "Blackness" than ever before. I found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.
These experineces have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desireable."

Where in there did she become pro-self?

I must admit that I don't read as much as I used to, however I think the message is quite clear. Let me bold certain parts that I felt were key.

You also missed the next paragraph:

At the same time , however, it is conceivable that my four years of exposure to a predominately White, Ivy League University has instilled within me certain conservative values. For example, as I enter my final year at Princeton, I find myself striving for many of the same goals as my White classmates–acceptance to a prestigious graduate or professional school or a high paying position in a successful corporation. Thus, my goals after Princeton are not as clear as before.

Did I miss something?

[spywizard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWvxTUy47Fk

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Obama has been going to his church for over 20 years, was married by him, and had him baptize both daughters. Not exactly just some guy he knows

My favorite parts include:

America caused 9-11
Constantly talking about "white people"
No one caring he's a flat out race hater and he's Obama's boy.

if obama gets elected.. he will have 0 power, and will be almost as effective as Carter..

[scriptfactory]

Oh, yeah. Would you like to compare Mrs. Obama to Mrs. McCain? Talk about someone that isn't fit to represent the U.S. as First Lady. I'm sorry but I feel that a history of drug addiction is worse than a bland-ass thesis.

[zartan]

I must admit that I don't read as much as I used to, however I think the message is quite clear. Let me bold certain parts that I felt were key.

You also missed the next paragraph:


Did I miss something?

Seriously, go reread the thing before commenting blatantly defensive and falsely

[zartan]

Oh, yeah. Would you like to compare Mrs. Obama to Mrs. McCain? Talk about someone that isn't fit to represent the U.S. as First Lady. I'm sorry but I feel that a history of drug addiction is worse than a bland-ass thesis.

bland-ass? I dunno where u come from, but racial agendas dont sit well with me. And shes ok by comparison DOESNT make it ok.

[scriptfactory]

Seriously, go reread the thing before commenting blatantly defensive and falsely

Learn English before trying to insult my reading skills.

[scriptfactory]

bland-ass? I dunno where u come from, but racial agendas dont sit well with me. And shes ok by comparison DOESNT make it ok.

So you're saying you aren't voting for McCain? Hillary, then? Who the hell are you voting for?

[zartan]

Learn English before trying to insult my reading skills.

we're talking comprehension here, not grammar and spelling. You either have bad comprehension skillz or you just don't want to believe the truth. Either way its not a good place to come from if you want to participate in a debate.

[zartan]

So you're saying you aren't voting for McCain? Hillary, then? Who the hell are you voting for?

They're all evil scum bags.

[scriptfactory]

They're all evil scum bags.

And this is my exit from the thread. You obviously are just trying to fight for the hell of it. You haven't made any strong supporting arguments for your case and, to be quite honest, I think your read comprehension skills are a bit sub-par.

Did I have to make my posts rhyme like Dr. Seuss so you could understand them? Oh, well...too late now.

[zartan]

And this is my exit from the thread. You obviously are just trying to fight for the hell of it. You haven't made any strong supporting arguments for your case and, to be quite honest, I think your read comprehension skills are a bit sub-par.

Did I have to make my posts rhyme like Dr. Seuss so you could understand them? Oh, well...too late now.

Better to run then face the truth.

Sory my read skillz wuz nots so guuudz. I try herder nex tyme okeeeey?

[IRONBULL05]

If that was your take on it, then your reading comprehension is not so great and this conversation is a moot point, like trying to explain the color blue to a blind man

from the opening of her thesis:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

"Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my "Blackness" than ever before. I found that at Princeton no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my White professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.
These experineces have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desireable."

Where in there did she become pro-self?

Well,I guess that about sums it up.

No getting around that.

[IRONBULL05]

Better to run then face the truth.

Sory my read skillz wuz nots so guuudz. I try herder nex tyme okeeeey?

LMFAO!!!!!

Now thats funny.

[Act of God]

that's absurd! Every republican, including republican hero Ronald Reagan, courted and supported Strom Thurman. But none suffered because of his beliefs. The fact remains every white person knows a racist, or someone who harbors racist beliefs (not to mention referring to blacks as the n word in private or telling the occasional black joke) and every black person knows an angry black person that blames all their troubles on 'whitey' or 'the man'. That doesn't mean you subscribe to those sentiments yourself. Barack being racist would be considered self hate because he IS half white. As a matter of fact Barack wasn't raised in a stereotypical black family. His exposure to blacks was limited until after his college days (considering he was raised by a white mother in Hawai'i, and attended Ivy league college, both of which have very limited black population).

I love how far right talk show hosts (Savage, Levin, Hannity, and Limbaugh) are so excited about finding out these new revelations. The thought of a black president was really causing them and others to lose sleep. IMO this will keep Barack from obtaining the nomination and proves that this country isn't ready for a black president. Both Clinton and McCain have had some very questionable affiliations (especially Clinton), none of which can/will keep them from their party's nomination.

Shocker, never thought you'd put your 2 cents in. You seriously need to take a course in common sense logic before you ever speak directly to me again. Ok? I'll respond to you afterwards because I can't deal with ignorance at your level, thanks.



you know what, I'll give you a semi-response off the top of my head. First of all, your analogies are at a 5th grade level. You talk about someone knowing a racist as if Barack just "knows" this piece of sh!t preacher. No, he not only knows him...he was in his campaign (until yesterday), married him, baptized his kids and he went and listened to him preach hate for 20 FVCKING YEARS.

And you know what dipsh!t? Not every white person knows a racist. Maybe you want to think that, because it legitimizes every failure you are...but no, the world isn't working against you. In fact, white people would rather you succeed and rise. You know why? You're people would add to the real workforce, relieve racial tension and violent crime would drop. There is nothing white people would love more than black people getting their act together so don't drop that pity party on my doorstep.

The fact remains that if Barack was white, you'd all be calling for his head for these associations. Clearly, you uphold a double standard for racist minorities. This is why I have no respect for you. This is why people can't just get along. Whether it be white, black, asian, jew, or whatever...accepting double standard racism divides us all.

[BgMc31]

another internet tough guy! LoL! Only someone desperate enough to resort to "fifth-grade" name calling is truly ignorant!

No need to further a discussion/debate with a simpleton!

[scriptfactory]

And you know what dipsh!t? Not every white person knows a racist. Maybe you want to think that, because it legitimizes every failure you are...but no, the world isn't working against you. In fact, white people would rather you succeed and rise. You know why? You're people would add to the real workforce, relieve racial tension and violent crime would drop. There is nothing white people would love more than black people getting their act together so don't drop that pity party on my doorstep.

This kind of talk is unnecessary and, to be quite honest, offensive. I know you are trying to make a point but come on...

[Act of God]

This kind of talk is unnecessary and, to be quite honest, offensive. I know you are trying to make a point but come on...

What is offensive is people perpetuating a stereotype that white people are trying to hold others back from success. Everyone benefits from groups of people bettering themselves (white trash included, the largest of all trash groups), as I pointed out already.

There's no secret white guy meeting where they are all smoking cigars lau***ng about giving blacks aids, importing drugs, and handing out weapons. Perhaps you see it that way, but that's not how it is (as far as I have seen).