Help need in Sydney AU! =)

[manoooo]

Hi all, I am new to the forums and have introduced myself in the "new members" section. But incase you dont get a chance to read, Im from sydney Australia, im 22, 82kg, 6ft and have been training off and on for a little over 2 years now. I have a fairly strict diet, which I try to follow religously. I never knew after 6months on a strict diet that it would feel like such a sin to eat hot chips LOL.

I have a bit of a problem that i would love some opinions on. About a month ago i got my hands on some deca and test e off a mate of mine. I stupidly did not do any research before i purchased, instead I listened to what my mates knew about AS (which now after reading the forums here for several weeks is f*ck all). I couldnt bring myself to inject something into my body, without knowing hard info on what it is. Anyway, I have already made the decision that I want to do the cycle ( especially now because i already have the gear) but not until i believe I have learnt as much as I can. Which is why I am here, making up for my stupid mistake of purchasing with the advice of my "know-it-all" mates.

My question is, Ive read alot of people on here recommending to run for a first cycle 500mg/week of test e for 12 weeks followed by a strong PCT in order to see how an individuals body may react to AS. I would totally agree with this, but seeing as though I already have deca what would the effects be if I included it in my first cycle with the test e? I have done my research on each product and understand the individual effects but I would like to hear some personal opinions. Would it be more beneficial to save the deca for my 2nd cycle whenever that may be?
And please guys don't flame me saying "you need to do more research!!" I know I do, I am currently doing the research and these questions are merely to gather knoweledge as part of my research, Im not going to post one question and go and inject myself!

Thanks and look forward to hearing your opinions.

[MATTMAN01]

This is what I would do (each to their own).
First cycle 250-300mg test e/wk 12wks then pct
Second cycle 400-500mg test e/wk incl front load first inj.Then pct
Third cycle 250mg test e wk1-12, 400mg Decca wk 1-10, then pct.
But in saying that I think 22 is to way to young and 2years training not long enough to achieve your potential naturally. I think the damage you could do to your self could far outweigh the gains you can expect. Your own test production along with good diet should be ample at your age.It would be great if you could hold off the chemicals for a few years but I cant see that happening seeing as you already have them.

[MATTMAN01]

Anyone?

[Amorphic]

personally i dont think its a problem to use deca in your first cycle. as long as you run it properly, have a solid diet and pct as well as the proper ancillaries on hand you shouldnt have a problem

[oker]

personally i dont think its a problem to use deca in your first cycle. as long as you run it properly, have a solid diet and pct as well as the proper ancillaries on hand you shouldnt have a problem

x 2 - looking back I wish I had of used deca in my first cycle, the gains made with only test e in first cycle were minimal to say the least! Now on second cycle of test and deca (week 8 of cycle) and my workouts are unbelievable, I feel f*ckin' superhuman! Test and deca is a brilliant combination and the gains (for me) have been phenomenal. I plan to add winny 50 mg ed in the last five weeks to take it up a few notches. Good luck you're gonna love this combo.

[spiromik]

im about to do my first cycle just turned 21 years old 96kg (212lbs), 6"1'. 14%bf
im going to do a 10 week course of test e with nolvadex as a pct.
wk 1 im fronloading 1000mg, 500mg on monday (AM) and 500mg thursday(PM)
wk 2-10 250 mg on monday, 250mg on thursday
Wk 11-14 Nolva 20mg

[Amorphic]

im about to do my first cycle just turned 21 years old 96kg (212lbs), 6"1'. 14%bf
im going to do a 10 week course of test e with nolvadex as a pct.
wk 1 im fronloading 1000mg, 500mg on monday (AM) and 500mg thursday(PM)
wk 2-10 250 mg on monday, 250mg on thursday
Wk 11-14 Nolva 20mg

start your own thread.

[manoooo]

Ok well thanks for your opinion guys, I will take your them into consideration. Just another quick question, are the use by dates on the products reliable ?? obviously it would vary with different types of products, but would it have an overall affect on either the test or deca if i left them sitting in my top draw for however long it may take for me to learn as much as i need to know. I dont want to rush into my cycle, even if it means I have to research for 6months before I do anything.
they do have a use by date of 2010. would that be normal ?

[SmittyTheOX]

Id just run the test at 500mg/week, for 10-12 weeks, PCT, and see how you go.

IMHO the added Deca will give you good results, but so will test alone on your first cycle. Better to save the Deca for the second time around (and fear not, there will be a next time, I guarantee).


My 2 Cents

[manoooo]

Thanks Smitty, I think thats what I am going to do, anyhelp with my second question that I posted ? anyone ?

[SmittyTheOX]

If they are a vet product then the dates should be reliable. If they are a UG lab then youll probably only know 4 weeks in

[manoooo]

If they are a vet product then the dates should be reliable. If they are a UG lab then youll probably only know 4 weeks in

thanks smitty, what about storage conditions ? I did ask this question in another thread but it was regarding the test. cool, dark place i was told. Does this apply to the deca ? Id imagine so..

[makembyte]

i keep mine in a box outta the light

i guess cuz thats what it says on my bottles

[manoooo]

okay thanks for the help ! =)