Here is my Deca/Winny/Clen cycle..with pics

[ajmuni]

Sup ya'll, I'm about to start this current cycle, and wanted to know what you people think. I'm 5'6 165 lbs...with about 15% bf. Back in Feb, i was 215 lbs and lost in total 50 lbs+ over 6 months. I did it by sticking to a strict diet, cardio cardio, and more cardio, and also threw some clen in there for 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off. Back in June, I did a cycle of Winny 50mgs EOD (total of 20 shots) and was real happy with the results. I know, everybody recommends stacking with a bulking agent, but the last thing I wanted to do was add bulk. I loved the results but Im thinking about stacking it with some deca. The only reason I want to use the deca, is to gain some muscle in some of my areas where its been tougher to "mold" (most importantly my chest area). What I'm worried about is that I dont want to add too much bulk, but just get a bit more lean. I've been working out for about 6-8 years, so I consider myself pretty knowledgeable on how to work out. (the weight gain was a 2 year span in which i ate nothing but junk food and drank, with no gym)

Stats: 5'6, 165 lbs, 15% bf

Winny 50mgs EOD for ~ 6-8 weeks
Deca 100mgs (maybe even less, since I dont wanna bulk too much) ~ 10 weeks
Clenbuterol 5 days on, 2 days off ~ about a month.

Im still contemplating the Deca, just because I'm scared I'm going to bulk too much...

Description of pics from left to right..

First pic) When I was 215 lbs.
Middle pic) I was 175
Last pic) After using the winny and clen, going from 175 to 165lbs.

As you guys can see, my arms are ok, its the chest area I'm having trouble with, hence the deca consideration. Again I DONT WANT TO BULK.

Thanks for looking guys. =)

[xavier_888888]

Bad cycle bro! why no test? Research more bro. Good improvement by the way.

[jstraw428]

that is a horrible cycle....you wont be able to get it up.....need some test....do some more research......

why not keep going the way you are going....hard work, cardio, and diet are a lot more valuable tools to acheiving your desired results.....

Big improvement, stay natural for a while...

[ajmuni]

Thanks guys. I know about not getting it up, I know about the joint pain...and I've also done the research on taking Test, but I don't want to get any bigger.

[one8nine]

Thanks guys. I know about not getting it up, I know about the joint pain...and I've also done the research on taking Test, but I don't want to get any bigger.

ill call b/s on this.
if you didresearch you would know that bulk or cut is diet based, test will just amplify your diets effects.

[beachbum28]

ill call b/s on this.
if you didresearch you would know that bulk or cut is diet based, test will just amplify your diets effects.

Agreed 100% I just cut..(ripped) on a deca/sust cycle. Yeah I gained a few inches in arm size, but i dropped b/f greatly (didn't have much to start) and now have very little body fat... Abs ripped, chest cut, lats...it's freakin great! Just ate normal as if off cycle and it worked great! Lessen your lift load and raise reps if you don't want to gain size. I went for a little size and cutting. Worked for me

[xavier_888888]

Then do everthing naturally bro! Like jstraw said just keep what your doin

[WARMachine]

^^^ totally agree bro...

Stay natty for a while, it looks like youre diet is good for losing weight...

Keep it up!

[jstraw428]

actually, deca usually helps people with joint pain, but that is beside the point........You need to continue the route your going.......you have made big improvements thus far, why not stick with whatis woring right now....You have made big improvements by leaps and bounds....continue the good hard work, and stick around this forum a bit longer....do some more research...

[Lemonada8]

a short ester test will actually help u get cut... esp cause i bet ur diet is decent... IMO you should do a test p cycle, with winny... do liek 50mg ED of both...

or just stay all natty...

but ur proposed cycle sucks.... u need a standard test in it...

[mkrulic]

a short ester test will actually help u get cut... esp cause i bet ur diet is decent... IMO you should do a test p cycle, with winny... do liek 50mg ED of both...

or just stay all natty...

but ur proposed cycle sucks.... u need a standard test in it...

bs. loss of body fat comes from diet and cardio. winny does not burn fat and test p is no more a cutter than test e

[VR4]

bs. loss of body fat comes from diet and cardio. winny does not burn fat and test p is no more a cutter than test e

less water retention buddy

[one8nine]

less water retention buddy

cutting is burning fat
water doesnt stop that

[jethro1]

How do you train chest?

How many times per week?

weights, reps,excercises, intensity?

I bet u could get ur chest where u want it without gear. Not much point in taking aas if u don't want 2 put on any size.

[mkrulic]

less water retention buddy

dont buy into that. I did a prop cycle and blew up like a balloon. back then my idea of diet was beer and pizza. now I run a gram of test a week, enan, and 100mg of anadrol/day and no water retention. its all in the diet

[one8nine]

a short ester test will actually help u get cut... esp cause i bet ur diet is decent... IMO you should do a test p cycle, with winny... do liek 50mg ED of both...

or just stay all natty...

but ur proposed cycle sucks.... u need a standard test in it...

this is completely wrong esters have absolutely nothing to do with anything but injection frequency/ blood levels.

[mkrulic]

this is completely wrong esters have absolutely nothing to do with anything but injection frequency/ blood levels.

too true. that myth has been perpetuated for a long time. I think its even in the profile.

[ajmuni]

I know winny doesn't burn fat..but it did make my muscles hard..look at the 2nd and 3rd pic..that was from the winny alone with clen

[one8nine]

Stats: 5'6, 165 lbs, 15% bf

looks like you got your diet down bro. why dont you post it up so we can see if we can help some?

Winny 50mgs EOD for ~ 6-8 weeks
Deca 100mgs (maybe even less, since I dont wanna bulk too much) ~ 10 weeks
Clenbuterol 5 days on, 2 days off ~ about a month.

winny eod wont really cut it youll get much better results ed. i sent you the half life in out pm, why do you think using something with a 9 hour half life every 48 hours is smart?
winny/deca? you need test bro, if you dont know that you have some serious research

i recomend this test begibber cycle but replave the dbol with 6-8 weeks of winny 50mg-100mg ed. plus clen.
Test Beginner Cycle Guide
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

tag team partner (phate's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355504

kale's starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331179

my (one8nine's) starter pack
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352741

Im still contemplating the Deca, just because I'm scared I'm going to bulk too much...

you can even cut on deca, bulk/cut is diet based

[Lemonada8]

well u cant really cut much if u have alot of water retention....

[one8nine]

well u cant really cut much if u have alot of water retention....

that doesn't make sense at all cutting is about fat loss without losing muscle.
maybe its harder to see if you're bloated but dun dun dun aromatize inhibitor
estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

but do you cycle to look good on cycle or change your body permanently?

[Lemonada8]

that doesn't make sense at all cutting is about fat loss without losing muscle.
maybe its harder to see if you're bloated but dun dun dun aromatize inhibitor
estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

but do you cycle to look good on cycle or change your body permanently?

then why take a aromatize inhibitor if u want to change permanently and not look good on cycle ?

[one8nine]

then why take a aromatize inhibitor if u want to change permanently and not look good on cycle ?

im saying thats the cure if youre scared if bloat on cycle

[ajmuni]

hey guys, just want to say thanks for all your tips and suggestions. I've actually decided not to take the deca. I'll post my diet on here when I get home from work for those who asked. Again, thanks to all..I really appreciate it.

[Lemonada8]

but compared side to side, test e has more water retention than prop... u blew up cause of ur diet... it was never said prop u dont get water weight... its just less...

[mkrulic]

but compared side to side, test e has more water retention than prop... u blew up cause of ur diet... it was never said prop u dont get water weight... its just less...

w/ proper diet in place I do not get bloat. from either. did you read my post? 1 gram/week test e, 100mg/day anadrol. no bloat. it is 100% diet.