2nd cycle!! let me know what u think!

[pushinplates4eva]

Whats up everybody, im new here...

1st off let me give you my stats..
I am 23 years old, 195 lb, 5 10' with about 11 percent bodyfat. I have been training for about 7 years.

Let me know what you guys think of this cycle regarding dosage amts. and pct.

I am going to be doing Dbol, Test-E, Deca, Winny... and Clomid and nolva for pct.

This is what it looks like as of now...

wk 1-4 Dbol, 25mg ed
wk 1-12 Test-E 500 mg/wk. 250mg per shot 2x/wk
wk 1-10 Deca 300mg/wk 1 shot
wk 11-14 Whinny 40 mg/day

P.C.T

Wk 1- Clomid 150mg ed. Nolva 40mg ed.
Wk 2- Clomid 100mg ed. Nolva 20mg ed.
Wk 3- Clomid 50mg ed. Nolva 20mg ed.
Wk 4- Nolva 20 mg ed.

What do you think?? The reason i am doing deca is because my joints arent so good, trying to heal up a little bit and i got a bottle of it for free. Thanks for your help guys.

[bbuilder]

Sure looks like you've done your homework.

Everything looks spot on to me.

Only real suggest I would give is see how your gains are and since this is your 2nd cycle maybe up your test amounts.

Best of luck.

[WARMachine]

Way too much Clomid... Keep it at 25 IF you even use it...

you also need an AI for this cycle, as well as HCG...

Deca should be spilt...

[WARMachine]

hcg crash course
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4127466

189's PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[pushinplates4eva]

Ok so 500 i.u of Hcg wk 13 through week 2 of pct..
.. 25 mg of clomid ed. for week 1-3 of pct..
..same amt of nolva as mentioned above...
now what is a good AI for this cycle, when and how much should be used... thanks again for all the info.

[pushinplates4eva]

wait i think i got it... proviron wk 1-4 of pct at 50mg ed??

cant get aroma because my connect dont have it

[pushinplates4eva]

new cycle looks like this.... let me know if i screwed anything up please!

wk 1-4 ... 25 mg/ed DBol
wk 1-12... Test E 500mg/wk (250 x2)
wk 1-10... Deca 300mg/wk (150 x2)
wk 11-14.. Winny 40mg/day.
wk 13-14.. 500 i.u HCG (250x2per wk)
wk 1 of PCT... 500 i.u HCG, clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 40mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 2 of PCT... 500 i.u HCG, clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 20mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 3 of PCT... clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 20mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 4 of PCT... Nolva 20 mg/ed... Proviron 50mg/ed.

I hope this is good.... let me know what you all think, thanks for the replies!!

[pushinplates4eva]

bump..

[one8nine]

gj war4!!

wk 1-4 ... 25 mg/ed DBol
wk 1-12... Test E 500mg/wk (250 x2)
wk 1-10... Deca 300mg/wk (150 x2)
wk 11-14.. Winny 40mg/day.
wk 13-14.. 500 i.u HCG (250x2per wk)

perfect
letro??

wk 1 of PCT... 500 i.u HCG, clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 40mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 2 of PCT... 500 i.u HCG, clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 20mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 3 of PCT... clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 20mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 4 of PCT... Nolva 20 mg/ed... Proviron 50mg/ed.

the 500iu hcg is 1x a week right? if so- perfect

you need letro on cycle or atleast on hand incase of deca/test sides

[Phate]

new cycle looks like this.... let me know if i screwed anything up please!

wk 1-4 ... 25 mg/ed DBol(how are you taking this, all at once or spread out?)
wk 1-12... Test E 500mg/wk (250 x2)
wk 1-10... Deca 300mg/wk (150 x2)
wk 11-14.. Winny 40mg/day.
wk 13-14.. 500 i.u HCG (250x2per wk)
wk 1 of PCT... 500 i.u HCG, clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 40mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 2 of PCT... 500 i.u HCG, clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 20mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 3 of PCT... clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 20mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 4 of PCT... Nolva 20 mg/ed... Proviron 50mg/ed.

I hope this is good.... let me know what you all think, thanks for the replies!!

bold

[smokethedays]

IMO way too short. 12 weeks ain't enough. 16 weeks minimum, again that is my opinion.
Around week 8-10 is when your REAL gains start getting steady and solid, now 2 weeks later you cut off the Test supply (stays active nearly 2 weeks but declining day after day).
I'd do;

week 1-16 Test 500mg/week
week 1-14 Deca 400 mg/week
week 1-4 D-bol 25 mg/day
week 16-20 Winny 40-50 mg/day
week 20-24 PCT

The reason you push Winny after the Test is to take advatage of the high Test levels while the water retention is dropping, at the same time Winny is doing it's job giving you the solid look. wiiny at the same time with Test and Deca is a waste of money.

[pushinplates4eva]

thanks for all the replies guys...
how much letro do i need?
and when should i take it, only when i get sides or on an daily basis?
Also I dont think the whinny is gona make it through the cycle, my guy said he's out.. is it ok to drop it from this cycle considering its only my 2nd cycle?? Also never took d-bol, whats the best way to take 25mg?

[pushinplates4eva]

bump

[smokethedays]

if the bdol is injectable then ED shots, if pills then take 5 mg every 4-6 hrs.

[one8nine]

thanks for all the replies guys...
how much letro do i need?
and when should i take it, only when i get sides or on an daily basis?
Also I dont think the whinny is gona make it through the cycle, my guy said he's out.. is it ok to drop it from this cycle considering its only my 2nd cycle?? Also never took d-bol, whats the best way to take 25mg?

estrogen/progesterone side effect control on cycle
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354229

drop the winny its fine left out

[wukillabee]

Sure looks like you've done your homework.

Everything looks spot on to me.

Only real suggest I would give is see how your gains are and since this is your 2nd cycle maybe up your test amounts.

Best of luck.

Wow! Really bro? 300mg of deca shot once a week spot on? Taking a 19-nor and test for 10-12 weeks and nolva/clomid only for pct spot on? Wow, great advice!

[wukillabee]

new cycle looks like this.... let me know if i screwed anything up please!

wk 1-4 ... 25 mg/ed DBol
wk 1-12... Test E 500mg/wk (250 x2)
wk 1-10... Deca 300mg/wk (150 x2)
wk 11-14.. Winny 40mg/day.
wk 13-14.. 500 i.u HCG (250x2per wk)
wk 1 of PCT... 500 i.u HCG, clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 40mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 2 of PCT... 500 i.u HCG, clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 20mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 3 of PCT... clomid 25mg/ed, Nolva 20mg/ed, proviron 50mg/ed.
wk 4 of PCT... Nolva 20 mg/ed... Proviron 50mg/ed.

I hope this is good.... let me know what you all think, thanks for the replies!!

Looks fine but as said before, kind of a short cycle for the compounds. Test e at least 14 weeks and deca at least 12 weeks would be better for better gains. Why do a cycle at the bare minimum? Also, surprised no one has said anything bout ur deca dose only being 300mg a week. Id say do 500-600mg a week of deca to get results from it. Most will say a dose of only 300mg will just lube ur joints, not give u the full benefit of what the drug is intended for.

[pushinplates4eva]

K... let me know if i got it... I am only running 300mg of deca a week because thats all i have and its more for my joints than anything....

Here it goes....

wk (negative2)-12- letrozole (letro) .25mg/ed

wk 1-4- Dbol 25mg/ed.... split through 5 svgs

wk 1-10 Deca 300mg/wk...split through 150mg 2xperwk.

wk 1-12- Test E 500mg/wk... split through 250mg 2xperwk.

wk 13-14- 500i.u HCG (250iu 2x per wk)

wk 15- 500i.u HCG (250iu 2x per wk)..Nolva 40mg/ed wk, Clomid 25mg/ed

wk 16- 500i.u HCG (250iu 2x per wk).. Nolva 20mg/ed, Clomid 25mg/ed.

wk 17- Clomid 25mg/ed. Nolva 20mg/ed

wk 18- Nolva 20mg/ed

How does it look pct wise and stuff?? ive been tryin hard to get this down......
Also i wana get this clear one last time... is it totaly neccesary to run the hcg durring this cycle to get everything up and going quickly?? all my friends think i dont need it but you guys are the experts.. Thanks again for all the info guys!

[pushinplates4eva]

bump... anyone??

[RuhlFreak55]

Way too much Clomid... Keep it at 25 IF you even use it...

you also need an AI for this cycle, as well as HCG...

Deca should be spilt...

when did everyone start saying this? i've always run it at 100mg for 30 days