Should 1st time Steroid users use the 'Front loading' techniue on 1st Cycle!?

[GrandmasterSpank]

Should 1st time Steroid users utilize 'Front loading' with the Testosterone component of their 1st ever Cycle, or would the gradual build-up to maximum test levels be better to assess tolerance!?

Is front loading really as good in practice as in theory!?

Hmmm....!?

All experiences and opinions on the subject are welcome!

[WARMachine]

Yes frontloading is good... Generally you frontload when using a long estered Test such as C or E... But frontloads are common with others such as Sus and Prop...

Im sure you are just looking to lean, which is fine. But im gonna refer back to your first posts for everyone so no one gives bad advice to you.


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=361298

You do NOT NEED STEROIDS!

[oneshot]

+1 on the not needing roids. You can easily get over 200 lbs naturally.

[Flex-Appeal]

Don't take the roid's...i don't think you are anywhere close to your genetic potential
Put down the needle and pick up the fork...best advice

[LATS60]

Should 1st time Steroid users utilize 'Front loading' with the Testosterone component of their 1st ever Cycle, or would the gradual build-up to maximum test levels be better to assess tolerance!?

Is front loading really as good in practice as in theory!?

Hmmm....!?

All experiences and opinions on the subject are welcome!

Not for a 1st timer imo, and as you are a 1st timer test should be the only component.
Yes frontloading is as good in practice, it serves a purpose.

[SmittyTheOX]

Yes frontloading is good... Generally you frontload when using a long estered Test such as C or E... But frontloads are common with others such as Sus and Prop...

Im sure you are just looking to lean, which is fine. But im gonna refer back to your first posts for everyone so no one gives bad advice to you.


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=361298

You do NOT NEED STEROIDS!

Mate from reading that post, War was spot on.

Lets call a spade a spade here.

I dont give a fukk who you are, there is no way if youve been training all those years and have plateaud at 6foot 140lbs.

War called you out on it in your other post and you chose to ignore him, hearing only what you wanted to hear. You NEED a better understanding of diet, training and recovery before you look at gear. You need to learn how to get your body to respond accordingly.

Using steroids to compensate for shortcomings in your diet and nutrition is ridiculous. At best you can hope that you make some progress, no doubt what would have been made if you had your shit together without the use of anabolics. Whether you like it or not though, the truth of the matter is you will probably get very little progress if any at all.

This isnt a rant to convince you one or the other, its the cold truth of the matter. If you cant get your body to respond to your training and nutrition naturally, your wasting your money on gear.

[SmittyTheOX]

Now that ive had my little morning rant, I want you to know that this isnt an attack on you. We are trying to help you potentially be the best/biggest/strongest you can.

Your choice to take steroids is yours and yours alone.

[BritishColumbian]

Should 1st time Steroid users utilize 'Front loading'

All experiences and opinions on the subject are welcome!

this is an exellent question, I was wondering the same thing, thanks for asking

[GrandmasterSpank]

this is an exellent question, I was wondering the same thing, thanks for asking

No probs Noobee dude!...Unfortunately, the thread's filled up with all this BS on a 140lbs weakling (me) with supposedly no knowledge of diet & training (again, supposedly me) not taking good advice, with all the gaps filled up with a f**k load of assumptions besides!...However, did any of you Guru's on your high horses for one second entertain the possibility that some men, even young men, have abnormally low natural testosterone levels due to medical reasons, and for this reason alone, may be seriously considering the use of AS as a legitimate exception to the rule, and under medical advice!? No!!! That's why I didn't ask for your 'permission'! Lol

Now can we please just stick to answering the frikkin' question, or shall I just open an 'attack the newbie with ignorant assumptions and stereotypical advice' thread'!?!? Boo-ya!

[Reed]

Well if you legitimately have low testosterone level due to medical reasons then you should be under the care of a doctor for such. You fell apart on your last part, no need to be on your high horse. Proper dieting is probably the issue here.

It is also not recommended to front load for a first timer such as your self.

[Reed]

Also if you want help on gaining weight with out the use of steroids then just ask, there are certain steps that can be taken to increase your test levels without them.

[GrandmasterSpank]

Yeah, like Tribulus or Damiana right!? Woop-woop!

How did I come apart dude? - My Dr.'s sucks! Have you ever tried 'One 250mg shot of Sustanon a month!?' WTF!? C'mon, please!? I want to do this 'properly', and standard medical steroid therapy won't cut the mustard as you 'all know'! I haven't come apart, and my High Horse is on the juice too, so I can't even climb back onto the ba*tard now! ;-)

[SmittyTheOX]

Im not even going to get into a back and forth discussion here. It seems you are an expert and know what you are doing. Good luck with it all.

[GrandmasterSpank]

Nice1, shame everyone else here's 'assumed' I'm a Body-building Rainman...

"Yeah, definately gotta juice up, yeah, definately. Must eat too, yeah, eating's definately important too...8 O'clock, 11' o'clock, 2 O'clock, mustn't miss a meal, yeah, definately......"

And the beat goes on.....

[helium3]

frontload or dont frontload, it makes no real difference except that the longer estererd compounds will build up to a sufficient level much quicker if you do. which means your gains will come quicker and strength with it.

im a fan of frontloading as it makes the cycle shorter, which can speed up recovery. plus you dont have to wait several weeks before you feel you are "on".

[GrandmasterSpank]

Thanks for answering my question from your own point of view/experience helium3, much appreciated!

[Reed]

Yeah, like Tribulus or Damiana right!? Woop-woop!

How did I come apart dude? - My Dr.'s sucks! Have you ever tried 'One 250mg shot of Sustanon a month!?' WTF!? C'mon, please!? I want to do this 'properly', and standard medical steroid therapy won't cut the mustard as you 'all know'! I haven't come apart, and my High Horse is on the juice too, so I can't even climb back onto the ba*tard now! ;-)

Man your a big time smartass know it all aren't you; thats how you came apart. I was trying to help you. I was not going to recommend tribulus but certain diet practices you can do or other supplements that do boost your test level significantly. Low test or high test without the right diet practices you can just forget about gaining muscle. So whats going to happen when its PCT time, you going to kick back in your naturally outstanding test levels and keep the weight you have gained?

If you really had naturally low levels it probably would have been taken care of at a young age with you lack of development during puberty. Maybe thats why you are so irritable like a female, under developed. Grow up buddy, whether you like it or not your diet sucks and that is the reason your a 26 year old 6 foot 140 pounder. One thing to post your diet its another to follow it. And its sad we have high school kids that are able to gain weight naturally and its sickening someone of your weight and age to be injecting any amount of steroids. All I hear is excuses and you trying to reject help so you can do what you want. Its similar to what addicts (but the drug is steroids) do just looking for a quick fix due to lack of work ethic and their self absorbed views. All your going to do at your weight is develop a dependance. Good luck

[Flex-Appeal]

Im not a real believer in front loading...not saying it does not work
but rather see the roids take effect over time

[GrandmasterSpank]

Cheers for your opinion Flex_Appeal!

Okay then, so far it seems that Front loading (with Testosterone!) works both in theory & practise, and that it's neither correct nor incorrect to utilise it for a 1st cycle, it's simply a matter of personal preference....

...On one hand, Front loading will get your test levels up to peak level and stabilize them quicker, supporting faster gains right from the start of the cycle.

...On the other hand, not Front loading allows a 1st timer more time to get used to the changes introducing a new compound brings, and possibly allows more of an opportunity to assess ones tolerance to it.

[BG]

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How did I come apart dude? - My Dr.'s sucks! Have you ever tried 'One 250mg shot of Sustanon a month!?' WTF!? C'mon, please!?COLOR]

That exactly what sustanon was made for.

[BG]

Man your a big time smartass know it all aren't you; thats how you came apart. I was trying to help you. I was not going to recommend tribulus but certain diet practices you can do or other supplements that do boost your test level significantly. Low test or high test without the right diet practices you can just forget about gaining muscle. So whats going to happen when its PCT time, you going to kick back in your naturally outstanding test levels and keep the weight you have gained?

If you really had naturally low levels it probably would have been taken care of at a young age with you lack of development during puberty. Maybe thats why you are so irritable like a female, under developed. Grow up buddy, whether you like it or not your diet sucks and that is the reason your a 26 year old 6 foot 140 pounder. One thing to post your diet its another to follow it. And its sad we have high school kids that are able to gain weight naturally and its sickening someone of your weight and age to be injecting any amount of steroids. All I hear is excuses and you trying to reject help so you can do what you want. Its similar to what addicts (but the drug is steroids) do just looking for a quick fix due to lack of work ethic and their self absorbed views. All your going to do at your weight is develop a dependance. Good luck

I agree

[BG]

Also calm down and have some respect or your stay will be short lived.

[Big]

Also calm down and have some respect or your stay will be short lived.

Right as always BG, very good advice.

[Amorphic]

i see no problem with first time users frontloading. as long as they have ancillaries on hand and everything else is in order things should be good to go

[SmittyTheOX]

It seems you have your heart set on running a cycle, against eveyones advice, so to answer your question no, not for you.

If you do have such a low level of natural test (im assuming this is diagnosed and not self assessed) you we be better off going into your cycle slowly. Sust is probably a good option for you because of the way it takes a long time for the test to be effective collectively, helping your body slowly get used to the increase.

With low test levels a sudden 'spike' in test could have unknown effects.

[Older lifter]

My first cycle was test-e, I am not going to say front load or not but what i found is that when it is the first cycle there is a lot of apprehension, what will happen, injecting, side's etc. Mentally i found that the slower build up was a great benifit in bring me into steriods, injecting (2xweek) was easy, the effects come over time and personnally i found it a very good way to start in something that can be a bit scary the first time.

That's what i found, after that sure front load as you now know more from experience what it's going to be like.

IMO