i just dont get it

[SilverTest]

hey guys , this ester thing is really getting into me i just dont get it WHY it takes time for a gear to kick in ,

if i shoot 250 test e , it will be active for 14 days right ? why dont i feel anything until like 6 weeks later .

Please can someone explain it in layman terms ,simple terms .

and please dont link me to another thread because i already read them and i

still dont understand why we dont feel anything until many weeks later,

and with the short esters we feel an effect in days ~~~~~

HELP!

[T-MOS]

ok in layman's terms

the ester holds the compound in suspension and releases it into your blood at a certain speed or rate

the compound has to build up in your blood levels in order for you to start seeing the effects of the compound

the ester determines the release rate into your body

shorter esters build up in your blood faster but require ED or EOD injections, longer esters build slower, but require fewer injection like every 3.5 days

does this help make any sense

[SilverTest]

yes ok i understand that , but , in 250 mg of test e there is about 180 mg of testosterone right ? so the half of these which is 60 mg is released in the first week right ? why dont we feel anything in that time , its still being released . how much of a build up do we need ??

another question on the side guys , i am reading some threads where guys are getting elevated liver values from steroids , ok i know some do elevate liver values of course , does test do that in doses 250-1000 mg per week ?? i thought its kind of light on the liver.

[SilverTest]

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[SilverTest]

buuuuuuuuuuuuump

[LATS60]

yes ok i understand that , but , in 250 mg of test e there is about 180 mg of testosterone right ? so the half of these which is 60 mg is released in the first week right ? why dont we feel anything in that time , its still being released . how much of a build up do we need ??

another question on the side guys , i am reading some threads where guys are getting elevated liver values from steroids , ok i know some do elevate liver values of course , does test do that in doses 250-1000 mg per week ?? i thought its kind of light on the liver.

You need to do some reading, you don't seem to have grasped how steroids work. your 1st statement makes no sense, thats not how steroids work.

Liver issues on steroids are overhyped, i know because i get lft's done 3 times yearly and even on a heavy blast my lft's are within normal range.

[RoidBoid]

liver damage is depending on which substance, and wiether its oral or injectable..... in my terrible past lol , i done 20 weeks d-bol,winni,var ALL ORAL and my liver is perfect. i did however take milk thisle daily

[SilverTest]

You need to do some reading, you don't seem to have grasped how steroids work. your 1st statement makes no sense, thats not how steroids work.

Liver issues on steroids are overhyped, i know because i get lft's done 3 times yearly and even on a heavy blast my lft's are within normal range.

uhh... not really bro , i do know how steroids work very well , very . but i still dont understand why it takes that long to feel the effect even though its being released from the moment you inject your first dose.

i'm ok with reading thats what i do on this board , can you explain the answer to my question in some simple terms , explain to me WHY it takes that long to feel the effect of a slow releasing steroid.

[LATS60]

uhh... not really bro , i do know how steroids work very well , very . but i still dont understand why it takes that long to feel the effect even though its being released from the moment you inject your first dose.

i'm ok with reading thats what i do on this board , can you explain the answer to my question in some simple terms , explain to me WHY it takes that long to feel the effect of a slow releasing steroid.

I not sure why i'm posting this mate because you know how steroids work very well.

"yes ok i understand that , but , in 250 mg of test e there is about 180 mg of testosterone right ? so the half of these which is 60 mg is released in the first week right ? why dont we feel anything in that time , its still being released . how much of a build up do we need ??"

NO. thats not how they work.

OK, simple terms, you need to build up the dose in your system to supraphysiological levels before you will start to see the results.

[boxer1]

the question has already been answered in reply #2. As soon as you shoot any form of test it is immediatly active in your blood, you need to obtain relativly stable blood levels before you start seeing results, with a short ester like prop the half life (this is the time it takes for the administered dose to be at half the level it was) is 2 days which means that blood levels are stable far quicker than for example test e which has a half life of 14days, this is why many people front load long esters to get levels up and stable quicker.

[SilverTest]

aha ok , got it thanks guys , how about the sex drive increase , does that count too to the weeks 4-6 ?? or do you feel it immediatly ??

[redz]

Sex drive increase for me occurs within 2 weeks if not less.

[SilverTest]

I not sure why i'm posting this mate because you know how steroids work very well.

"yes ok i understand that , but , in 250 mg of test e there is about 180 mg of testosterone right ? so the half of these which is 60 mg is released in the first week right ? why dont we feel anything in that time , its still being released . how much of a build up do we need ??"

NO. thats not how they work.

OK, simple terms, you need to build up the dose in your system to supraphysiological levels before you will start to see the results.

lats , i know how steroids work , but i dont understand how esters work

anyways thanks mate , i appreciate the reply i know ur experienced a lot in this

[SampsonandDelilah]

My last two test cycles, I have noticed the sex drive kick in around week 3! Strength changes in week 5....body changes in week 6

[SilverTest]

i experience the increased sex drive around week 6 , damn i hate that waiting, is that normal , i mean i almost feel nothing at all until week 4

[redz]

Maybe you have bunk or under dosed gear.

[SilverTest]

nope , at around week 4-6 BOOM , super energy , strength gains , and i start growing like a weed , i tried frontloading but i got screwed it wacked up my estrogen too much , maybe i will do it next time with adex , if one is frontloading , whatever dose it is , if i want to use a AI , what dose of adex do you suggest ?? generally speaking .

[SampsonandDelilah]

What dosages are you running? Maybe a frontload on the next cycle?

[redz]

Adex is good around .25mg daily or .5mg eod.

[SilverTest]

to frontload 500 mg per week ,

i understand i should double the dose the first week for each injection right ? so its 500mg each injection ? one on monday , one on thursday , then the next week forward 250mg 2 times per week right ?

or its 1g for each injection the first week ~~~?? which is the right one.

[SampsonandDelilah]

nope , at around week 4-6 BOOM , super energy , strength gains , and i start growing like a weed , i tried frontloading but i got screwed it wacked up my estrogen too much , maybe i will do it next time with adex , if one is frontloading , whatever dose it is , if i want to use a AI , what dose of adex do you suggest ?? generally speaking .

I have never had to use an AI...my lifting bro (who is gyno prone) runs Adex at .25 every other day ....he had to tinker with his doses...started at .25 every day, and then switched to eod. what happened when you frontloaded? What estrogen sides did you get? (dont mean to get this thread off topic...just curious...getting ready to do my first ever front load)

[SampsonandDelilah]

to frontload 500 mg per week ,

i understand i should double the dose the first week for each injection right ? so its 500mg each injection ? one on monday , one on thursday , then the next week forward 250mg 2 times per week right ?

or its 1g for each injection the first week ~~~?? which is the right one.

highlighted is the correct way...Marcus 300 has a great thread on frontloading that I read (thanks again Big)...its easily found with a search

[SampsonandDelilah]

here ya go bro...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=frontloading

[SilverTest]

I have never had to use an AI...my lifting bro (who is gyno prone) runs Adex at .25 every other day ....he had to tinker with his doses...started at .25 every day, and then switched to eod. what happened when you frontloaded? What estrogen sides did you get? (dont mean to get this thread off topic...just curious...getting ready to do my first ever front load)

gyno
weakness
tired a lot
irritability
decreased muscle mass
extreme fat gain
shitloads of water weight
high blood pressure
mental foginess
NO sex drive whatsoever
erectile dysfunction
seriously bloated face
aching in the joints

beautiful isn't it ?

[SampsonandDelilah]

gyno
weakness
tired a lot
irritability
decreased muscle mass
extreme fat gain
shitloads of water weight
high blood pressure
mental foginess
NO sex drive whatsoever
erectile dysfunction
seriously bloated face
aching in the joints

beautiful isn't it ?

Uggg!! Oh is that all?!?! Lol!

When you didnt frontload, you were able to avoid all of those sides?

I've run 500 a week three times, with minimal sides, and am hoping by going up to a gram in week 1, I won't get that lovely laundry list that you just laid out!! But after reading up on frontloading, it makes perfect sense, to get those blood levels at optimal levels much sooner

[chuckt12345]

If front loading works the way it says why wouldnt someone shooting 1gram a wk the whole cycle not have to wait 4 wks to start pct as opposed to 2wks at 500mg/wk. I never go that.

[SilverTest]

yes when i did not frontload , i never usually used more than 500 mg per week ever . i never got sides , but i went big on the frontload , i actually shot 3 cc's in one injection , it was a mess . fact is , i didn't do it right , so no , the frontload will not necessarily give you these sides bro

[SampsonandDelilah]

I appreciate the reassurance...lol! 3 cc's is alot of gear in one shot. My cyp is dosed at 200 mgs per ml, so I'll be doing 2.5 cc's twice the 1st week. Ive never done more than 1.5 in a week. But I think with a frontload you can run a shorter cycle (10 weeks vs 12-14...which I had been doing) and recover quicker. I've never run a kickstart either (dbol or the like) and feel like Im shorting myself those first 5-6 weeks, and then I run it longer then I had planned and seem to take longer to recover?

I wish I had an answer for you Chuck...but not sure how!


Are the esters making more sense now Silver?

[SilverTest]

I appreciate the reassurance...lol! 3 cc's is alot of gear in one shot. My cyp is dosed at 200 mgs per ml, so I'll be doing 2.5 cc's twice the 1st week. Ive never done more than 1.5 in a week. But I think with a frontload you can run a shorter cycle (10 weeks vs 12-14...which I had been doing) and recover quicker. I've never run a kickstart either (dbol or the like) and feel like Im shorting myself those first 5-6 weeks, and then I run it longer then I had planned and seem to take longer to recover?

I wish I had an answer for you Chuck...but not sure how!


Are the esters making more sense now Silver?

yup yup yup

[SampsonandDelilah]

sweet