Hamas is at it again

[*RAGE*]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...n8w&refer=home

Stop firing rockets and there might be a end to this....

[Matt]

There will never be an end, israel still has thier land, and the boarders are still locked down.. The people in Gaza are dieing, they might aswell fight..

[BuffedGuy]

A few relevant points from the same article you quoted.

First point:

Israel’s operation in Gaza, which left more than 1,300 Palestinians and 13 Israelis [soldiers]dead

source: same article you linked to

Of those, 50% were confirmed women and children:

Those 1,000-plus dead Gazans are broken down into percentages defined in terms of women and children and the rest. The earliest figures stated that about 25 per cent of Gaza's dead were women and children , and that has steadily climbed close to the 50 per cent mark since Israel's ground invasion got under way.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=5&gl=us

And here is a number to put that into perspective:

Israeli assault injures 1.5 million Gazans

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=5&gl=us

One point five MILLION!

Second point:

Israel’s operation in Gaza...was said by the military to be aimed at stopping Hamas from firing rockets into Israeli territory. More than 30 rockets and mortar shells have been fired since Israel declared the [unilateral] cease-fire.

source: from the same article you linked to

Remember: all of you had justified the massive murder of Gazan civilians by saying that it was a-ok because it was the only way to stop rockets being fired at Israel. And was it not all of us who told you that no matter how massive Israel's response was, it could not stop the rocket attacks? Rather, the only way to stop the rocket attacks was through negotiating a peace treaty or mutual ceasefire? Do we not now see how the only few months in which no rockets were fired were when the two sides had agreed to a ceasefire, which Israel then broke?

If the rockets started up again so quickly, what was the point of murdering 1,000+ Palestinians?

Third point:

The rockets were fired by other than Hamas to begin with:

Responsibility for today’s attack on Ashkelon was claimed by a Gaza militant group affiliated with the Lebanese Shiite Muslim Hezbollah, which fought a monthlong war with Israel in 2006.

source: from the same article you linked to

Fourth point:

Those who fired the rocket gave the exact same reason for firing them as Israel gives for devastating Gaza:

“In a continuation of revenge for our people’s blood, members of our rockets unit today fired two rockets,” the group, the Brigades of Hezbollah in Palestine, said in a leaflet faxed to journalists.

source: from the same article you linked to

So Israel says it is retaliating for rocket attacks, and the militants say the exact same thing.

Fifth point:

The ceasefire was "unilateral", meaning Hamas was given no input on the matter. It is like me jumping you from behind, beating you up, raping you, and then just when you are about to retaliate, I say "ceasefire!" Having said that, Hamas did agree to a one-week ceasefire, which brings me to my sixth point.

Sixth point:

Gaza is blockaded on all sides, a tactic used since ancient times to starve out a people to death. This is the crux of the matter, and anyone who cannot see that is blind:

Hamas is conditioning its agreement [to a permanent ceasefire] on Israel opening border crossings into Gaza.

source: from the same article you linked to

And from another article:

One aspect of the blockade that seems to have been overlooked is the way it has been used to soften up Gaza...For three years Gaza's population has been denied food, medicines and fuel.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=5&gl=us

According to the United Nations, Palestinians are dying because of this blockade. According to everyone, no Israelis have died since the rocket attacks on Israel have resumed. So why is it that you are only focusing on the rocket attacks which kill nobody and not the starving out a people to death which *is* killing people? One point five MILLION Palestinians have been injured by Israel, and you are worrying about a few rockets that land on the side of the road?

[*RAGE*]

A few relevant points from the same article you quoted.
did not quote the article just made a statement that Hamas is firing rocket and more will die until Hamas stops firing at Isreal
First point:

Israel’s operation in Gaza, which left more than 1,300 Palestinians and 13 Israelis [soldiers]dead we have talked about this before.....you can say isreal is targing women and childern but I could say that Hamas is hiding behind the women and children....
Yes that is a high number but why buff why? you know why because

source: same article you linked to

Of those, 50% were confirmed women and children:

Those 1,000-plus dead Gazans are broken down into percentages defined in terms of women and children and the rest. The earliest figures stated that about 25 per cent of Gaza's dead were women and children , and that has steadily climbed close to the 50 per cent mark since Israel's ground invasion got under way. then again why,,,,why did they invade....why now buff. it could not be because has been firing rockets? no it could not be their fault...or could it??????

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=5&gl=us

And here is a number to put that into perspective:

Israeli assault injures 1.5 million Gazans

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=5&gl=us

One point five MILLION!

now how do you know this because you are not there???????

Second point:

Israel’s operation in Gaza...was said by the military to be aimed at stopping Hamas from firing rockets into Israeli territory. More than 30 rockets and mortar shells have been fired since Israel declared the [unilateral] cease-fire.And it will not stop until Hamas is cought or killed

source: from the same article you linked to

Remember: all of you had justified the massive murder of Gazan civilians by saying that it was a-ok because it was the only way to stop rockets being fired at Israel. And was it not all of us who told you that no matter how massive Israel's response was, it could not stop the rocket attacks? Rather, the only way to stop the rocket attacks was through negotiating a peace treaty or mutual ceasefire? but yet they still are firing three todayDo we not now see how the only few months in which no rockets were fired were when the two sides had agreed to a ceasefire, which Israel then broke? again how do you know this I have read several reports that Israel had been firing rocket the whole time

If the rockets started up again so quickly, what was the point of murdering 1,000+ Palestinians? Your calling it murder....it is not murder when it is under war, but why wouldnt you call it murder because you have been looking for sympathy for your people so you call it murder......

Third point:

The rockets were fired by other than Hamas to begin with:

Responsibility for today’s attack on Ashkelon was claimed by a Gaza militant group affiliated with the Lebanese Shiite Muslim Hezbollah, which fought a monthlong war with Israel in 2006.for the same reason Hamas are not all palestinians as I have stated before...

source: from the same article you linked to

Fourth point:

Those who fired the rocket gave the exact same reason for firing them as Israel gives for devastating Gaza:

“In a continuation of revenge for our people’s blood, members of our rockets unit today fired two rockets,” the group, the Brigades of Hezbollah in Palestine, said in a leaflet faxed to journalists.so why is it wrong for Israel doing the same thing that Hamas or it followers you just stated they did it for the same reason......

source: from the same article you linked to

So Israel says it is retaliating for rocket attacks, and the militants say the exact same thing.

Fifth point:

The ceasefire was "unilateral", meaning Hamas was given no input on the matter. It is like me jumping you from behind, beating you up, raping you, and then just when you are about to retaliate, I say "ceasefire!" Having said that, Hamas did agree to a one-week ceasefire, which brings me to my sixth point.
when was this and are you sure hamas did not fire rocket...
Sixth point:

Gaza is blockaded on all sides, a tactic used since ancient times to starve out a people to death. This is the crux of the matter, and anyone who cannot see that is blind:but why??? they have to lock hamas in because if they dont they they will have to lock more people down....hamas is causing this to their own

Hamas is conditioning its agreement [to a permanent ceasefire] on Israel opening border crossings into Gaza.

source: from the same article you linked to

And from another article:

One aspect of the blockade that seems to have been overlooked is the way it has been used to soften up Gaza...For three years Gaza's population has been denied food, medicines and fuel.this is not true if you go without food for more then a week you will die...come on......

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=5&gl=us

According to the United Nations, Palestinians are dying because of this blockade. According to everyone, no Israelis have died since the rocket attacks on Israel have resumed. So why is it that you are only focusing on the rocket attacks which kill nobody and not the starving out a people to death which *is* killing people? One point five MILLION Palestinians have been injured by Israel, and you are worrying about a few rockets that land on the side of the road?

because if hamas did not start this with rockets then the 1.5 million you have stated over and over would not be getting hurt.....

in bold..........

buff 90% of your thread are about palestinians so what if i write about israel both side of the story is always a good thing..dont you think??????/

[Matt]

You can live without food for sometime, i think depending on the person, upto 6/7 weeks maybe longer...

[*RAGE*]

You can live without food for sometime, i think depending on the person, upto 6/7 weeks maybe longer...

this is true mad and I ment to put seven weeks. thanks for the typoooooos

[Matt]

I would live longer lol because i would eat my toe nails, snot and hair..

[amcon]

I would live longer lol because i would eat my toe nails, snot and hair..

lol... your so disgusting - bugs to?

[Flagg]

I love how people somehow try to justify what happened in Gaza in those three weeks was perfectly fine.

[BuffedGuy]

I love how people somehow try to justify what happened in Gaza in those three weeks was perfectly fine.

There is nothing we can say that will change their minds. Whatever Israel does is justified somehow.

[*RAGE*]

There is nothing we can say that will change their minds. Whatever Israel does is justified somehow.

that is not what I am saying......DO i think israel is justified in defieding its self yes. Is it sad that innocent people die..yes....buff if it does not go your way you dont want to talk about it..hamas fired rockets....trying to kill israels did they guess not but were they trying....yes.....you are one sided....

[Panzerfaust]

I wonder if Hamas will ever get to preach to the world about their Concentration Camp that they live in, and people starving? Or do the Jews have the Holocaust market cornered?

[amcon]

I wonder if Hamas will ever get to preach to the world about their Concentration Camp that they live in, and people starving? Or do the Jews have the Holocaust market cornered?

my guess is that if they can smuggle in missles, rockets and stuff they can def smuggle out the info about concentration camps and people starving ....

[amcon]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...n8w&refer=home

Stop firing rockets and there might be a end to this....

Israel’s air force attacked targets in the Gaza Strip, saying it was responding to Qassam rockets, mortar shells and Grad missiles fired at the country in recent days. these rockets and missiles sound kind of expensive, im sure they cost more than a few hundred dollars... point is if humus (another bad dont mess with Zohan joke) chose to keep that money and not fire it back at israel they would have more money to feed the people the govern.

“It appears that Hamas is out to deliberately undermine any chance for quiet,” said Mark Regev, spokesman for Olmert. “In allowing the launching of deadly rockets at Israeli cities, Hamas alone holds responsibility for any possible escalation.” hamas is going to get pounded a gain just imo, i didnt say they should but israel is going to make an example of them... and prob have the worlds permission- because simply hamas wont stop the attacks

[Nooomoto]

My point being that if they were allowed to fight it out, the loser will have no choice but to accept it...because the loser will be dead.

That to me seems better than bitching about everything. It's simple.

[BuffedGuy]

My point being that if they were allowed to fight it out, the loser will have no choice but to accept it...because the loser will be dead.

That to me seems better than bitching about everything. It's simple.

When Jews remind us of the Holocaust, do you say that this is "b***ing"?

In any case, the Palestinian people are not just "b***ing"; they are ready to fight for their freedom to the death, Braveheart style. I just think this "might is right" philosophy died hundreds of years ago, along with other arcane ideas such as the divine right of kings, white man's burden, little brown brothers, perpetual warfare, manifest destiny, etc.

[jimmyinkedup]

When Jews remind us of the Holocaust, do you say that this is "b***ing"?

In any case, the Palestinian people are not just "b***ing"; they are ready to fight for their freedom to the death, Braveheart style. I just think this "might is right" philosophy died hundreds of years ago, along with other arcane ideas such as the divine right of kings, white man's burden, little brown brothers, perpetual warfare, manifest destiny, etc.

the philosophy may have died ...but the reality is very much alive - unfortunately in this case and most like it. You are citing out individual rights examples- when it comes to international disputes - might usually wins out - right or wrong...

[Nooomoto]

When Jews remind us of the Holocaust, do you say that this is "b***ing"?

In any case, the Palestinian people are not just "b***ing"; they are ready to fight for their freedom to the death, Braveheart style. I just think this "might is right" philosophy died hundreds of years ago, along with other arcane ideas such as the divine right of kings, white man's burden, little brown brothers, perpetual warfare, manifest destiny, etc.

When I referred to bitching, I was talking about you. Not the Palestinians who have the testicular fortitude to do something more than post on a juicer forum about whats right and wrong. I can always respect a soldier who chooses to fight for what he believes in, on whatever side. Whining about an issue never gets anyone anywhere.

And yes, I do consider the Jews bringing up the Holocaust as "bitching."

If you're so concerned dude...why don't you go fight along side the Bravehearted Palestinians? What change do you hope to effect by posting here?

They are killing Zionist pigs in defense of the land they believe to be their own...why aren't you?

[BuffedGuy]

If you're so concerned dude...why don't you go fight along side the Bravehearted Palestinians? What change do you hope to effect by posting here?

I believe that my role is to fight Jihad al-Lisan, which means The Spoken Struggle. We believe that the ink of the scholar runs thicker than the blood of a martyr. The ideological war is more important than the physical war.

It is a part of my religion to defend justice with my words (be it for or against Muslims), and it makes sense even on a purely non-religious level: the more people who are made aware of the facts, the less likely it is that our American government can get away with giving billions of dollars to Israel to continue this war on my Palestinian brothers.

They are killing Zionist pigs in defense of the land they believe to be their own...why aren't you?

Because my role is different. My weapon is the pen.

[*RAGE*]

I believe that my role is to fight Jihad al-Lisan, which means The Spoken Struggle. We believe that the ink of the scholar runs thicker than the blood of a martyr. The ideological war is more important than the physical war.

It is a part of my religion to defend justice with my words (be it for or against Muslims), and it makes sense even on a purely non-religious level: the more people who are made aware of the facts, the less likely it is that our American government can get away with giving billions of dollars to Israel to continue this war on my Palestinian brothers.this show how much you dont know...it does not work like that...but then again its just what you write is right right?



Because my role is different. My weapon is the pen.

I will leave that alone

[amcon]

My point being that if they were allowed to fight it out, the loser will have no choice but to accept it...because the loser will be dead.

That to me seems better than bitching about everything. It's simple.

nooomoto dont feel attacked we are debating this out ... however i do believe you original post sum it up (right or wrong that would solve it) but, we are trying to sway each others view based on logic. and none of this is logical - it goes well beyond that. imo

[Dinosaur]

Israel wants the land, Hamas wants the land...simple as that. Let them fight it out and the winner gets it.

Someone will lose, eventually.

it doesn't work like that, israel needs to understand that its no longer the powerful contry in the middle east who can call shots. eventhough, they have nuclear power and the most advanced weapons in the world its not ganna get no where. it needs to stop making collective punishment and get rid of its extremist poloticians in the government. otherwise, the problem will just keep escalting until it will be expending to other countries in the sorounding area which will lead to unpleasent issues which will damage the peace in the region.

after israel will make the chages mentioned wbove than hamas will than have no choice except to merge in the govenment arena and be legitimate party.

[*RAGE*]

Let me put this out there.....if Israel was to attack palestine all together with all they had the war would last about two weeks and there would be way more then 1300 people dead....let not forget how powerful israel is....that is the answer right there...they are not attacking palestine but attacking Hamas....yes it sucks for the palestinen people......but like in iraq once the air war is over you have to hit the ground and get the terroist cell out and that is what happing right now.....i do not vote for war but this is not a full war......

[BuffedGuy]

Let me put this out there.....if Israel was to attack palestine all together with all they had the war would last about two weeks and there would be way more then 1300 people dead....let not forget how powerful israel is....that is the answer right there...they are not attacking palestine but attacking Hamas....yes it sucks for the palestinen people......but like in iraq once the air war is over you have to hit the ground and get the terroist cell out and that is what happing right now.....i do not vote for war but this is not a full war......

Completely absurd logic. It's like the Nazis saying "if Hitler had wanted, he could have killed ALL the Jews, but he only killed some of them and kept some of them in camps." And knowing how you guys spin apologetic defenses, you would say something like: See how compassionate Hitler was--he even spent millions of dollars making housing for Jews, spent money on their clothes, etc. Had he wanted, he could have just left them all to die, but he didn't. Oh look how magnanimous he is!

Somehow we are supposed to thank Israel for only killing 1,300 and not more than that? Give me a break.

[*RAGE*]

Completely absurd logic. It's like the Nazis saying "if Hitler had wanted, he could have killed ALL the Jews, but he only killed some of them and kept some of them in camps." why do you keep going to hitler this is not the same not even close....And knowing how you guys spin apologetic defenses, you would say something like: See how compassionate Hitler was--he even spent millions of dollars making housing for Jews, spent money on their clothes, etc. again buff this is not the same israel is not making soap out the pal bodysHad he wanted, he could have just left them all to die, but he didn't. Oh look how magnanimous he is!

Somehow we are supposed to thank Israel for only killing 1,300 and not more than that? Give me a break.

no dont thank them not at all but help them if you want to stop.....give them hamas.....and hitler did try and take over the world....and if he did you and i would not be here..

[BuffedGuy]

We're attacking because Iraq is connected to Al-Qaeda. this is not true???????

Please stop living in an imaginary world. There was no connection at all to Al-Qaeda, until of course America invaded Iraq and *made* it into a haven for Al-Qaeda. Saddam Hussein had absolutely no connection to Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda had declared Saddam Hussein an apostate and disbeliever long time ago, and Saddam Hussein was known for being a Baathist secularist who used to shut down mosques.

But of course *you* know more on this issue because you are a soldier, and we all know how well-informed soldiers are. (As the joke goes, they learn their geography by bombing countries, since before that, they could not even point to Iraq on the map.)

Anyways, here you go:

Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military's first and only study looking into ties between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda showed no connection between the two, according to a military report released by the Pentagon.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/13/alqaeda.saddam/

But of course you know more than the Pentagon, because after all, soldiers are very well-informed people in general. [/sarcasm]

Oh wait no, not that...we're attacking because they have WMDs! we have went through this before you dont know anything about it and how easy would it have been to get them out of the country

From MSNBC:

CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.

...The Iraq Survey Group believes "it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

As my brethren in 711's say: Thank you, come again.

[*RAGE*]

Please stop living in an imaginary world. i AM NOT THE ONE LIVING IN THE IMAGINARY WORLD I HAVE BEEN THERE I HAVE SEEN IT..YOU ARE THE ONE WATCHING THE NEWS AND COMING TO A AAS SITE TO TYPE ABOUT THIS.There was no connection at all to Al-Qaeda, until of course America invaded Iraq and *made* it into a haven for Al-Qaeda. Saddam Hussein had absolutely no connection to Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda had declared Saddam Hussein an apostate and disbeliever long time ago, and Saddam Hussein was known for being a Baathist secularist who used to shut down mosques.lol this show how much you dont know again al qaeda is just a name terroist is also another name.......most of the iraqi that i talked to said saddam hussein was the biggest terroist know in the middle east he has killed a lot more then the US....

But of course *you* know more on this issue because you are a soldier, and we all know how well-informed soldiers are. do you read what i write i am not a soldier i was given a lot more information then any soldier of the higher command was given.. (As the joke goes, they learn their geography by bombing countries, since before that, they could not even point to Iraq on the map.)i dont find that funny

Anyways, here you go:

Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.S. military's first and only study looking into ties between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda showed no connection between the two, according to a military report released by the Pentagon.CNN does not have report from the military or cia!!! come on dude

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/13/alqaeda.saddam/

But of course you know more than the Pentagon, because after all, soldiers are very well-informed people in general.



From MSNBC:

CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq

WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.that was a new release....we have talked about this they can get weapons in so they can get weapons out

“After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted,” wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall.

...The Iraq Survey Group believes "it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place."so that makes it true come on you no better then that...it that is the case then all the stuff cnn puts on the new about palestine is true......you are going in circles

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/

As my brethren in 711's say: Thank you, come again.

i will

[MuscleScience]

I remember when this board was about bodybuilding and dieting and flaming newbs for doing oral only cycles... Alas those where the days.

[*RAGE*]

I remember when this board was about bodybuilding and dieting and flaming newbs for doing oral only cycles... Alas those where the days.

that was the reason i started and will continue in this forum...50% of my post are either mma, steroid question and answer, the other is in the ar forum just a small part are in the news.....how about you buff where are yours?

[BuffedGuy]

that was the reason i started and will continue in this forum...50% of my post are either mma, steroid question and answer, the other is in the ar forum just a small part are in the news.....how about you buff where are yours?

Why do I have to justify why I am here? This is not the steroids subsection. It is the news subsection. It is about news, not juice. I have every right to be here, and if I am in violation of any of the rules, the mods can inform me of that. But so far, they are OK with it.

[Dinosaur]

I can always respect a soldier who chooses to fight for what he believes in, on whatever side. Whining about an issue never gets anyone anywhere.

so it wont matter to you if this soldier you are proud of fights a war that has been based on falsehood, transgration and taking over other people's rights and lands.

[*RAGE*]

so it wont matter to you if this soldier you are proud of fights a war that has been based on falsehood, transgration and taking over other people's rights and lands.

charrif it is not the soldier that make the rules he is just the one that fights..it is the one that makes the policy who starts the war based on incidents.

[Dinosaur]

charrif it is not the soldier that make the rules he is just the one that fights..it is the one that makes the policy who starts the war based on incidents.

to be honest with you if i were a soldier and i was told to invade or attack a contry or a city based on false intelligence, claims or just to punish people. i will certainly with no doubt object/refuse to fight against these people. no matter where this order comes from. i have a very guilty conscience. why do you think this soldiers that comeback from iraq make suicide. cause they know they have commited wrong doing they can't leave with it.

[BuffedGuy]

to be honest with you if i were a soldier and i was told to invade or attack a contry or a city based on false intelligence, claims or just to punish people. i will certainly with no doubt object/refuse to fight against these people. no matter where this order comes from. i have a very guilty conscience. why do you think this soldiers that comeback from iraq make suicide. cause they know they have commited wrong doing they can't leave with it.

Every soul will be responsible for its own actions. Those who know they are fighting an illegal and unjust war will be guilty on the Day of Judgment, unless they repent.

[Dinosaur]

Every soul will be responsible for its own actions. Those who know they are fighting an illegal and unjust war will be guilty on the Day of Judgment, unless they repent.

i beleive they this people who do this wrong doings they get punished in this life before the hearafter.

[*RAGE*]

to be honest with you if i were a soldier and i was told to invade or attack a contry or a city based on false intelligence, claims or just to punish people. i will certainly with no doubt object/refuse to fight against these people. no matter where this order comes from. i have a very guilty conscience. why do you think this soldiers that comeback from iraq make suicide. cause they know they have commited wrong doing they can't leave with it.

I have served in combat,,,,,the suicide is not so much from the enemy but from what you experience over there such as seeing your best friend blow appart, and they come home and find their other friend had been sleeping with his wife......soldiler do not think much about write or wrong when the shit hits the fan.....it is more about how can i make it home.....I have said this before taken from a friend of mine.....all the policy and politics go out the window when the first round goes past your head...now on the part of you not going to fight in something you do not believe in (I have so much respect in that you would never now and i cant explain in writing) that comes from my heart.........

[Dinosaur]

I have served in combat,,,,,the suicide is not so much from the enemy but from what you experience over there such as seeing your best friend blow appart, and they come home and find their other friend had been sleeping with his wife......soldiler do not think much about write or wrong when the shit hits the fan.....it is more about how can i make it home.....I have said this before taken from a friend of mine.....all the policy and politics go out the window when the first round goes past your head...now on the part of you not going to fight in something you do not believe in (I have so much respect in that you would never now and i cant explain in writing) that comes from my heart.........

i have done two yrs mys self. i understand where coming from. it 's just sometimes when you know the cause of the war and you are sure that you are fighting for the good cause it helps a lot, while on the other hand, if the war is based on a myth / false claim you always question your self wether you are doing the right thing or not. this is how i feel if i were to go to a war.

[Nooomoto]

so it wont matter to you if this soldier you are proud of fights a war that has been based on falsehood, transgration and taking over other people's rights and lands.

I never said I was proud of any one, I said I can "respect" a soldier who fights for what he believes in...two completely different things. I don't respect underhanded commentary and pontificating.

Everyone here is picking one side or the other...I'm asking why doesn't any one go and do something about it? If that isn't to be the case, which it clearly isn't, then let the people who are doing something sort it out.

[Dinosaur]

I never said I was proud of any one, I said I can "respect" a soldier who fights for what he believes in...two completely different things. I don't respect underhanded commentary and pontificating.

Everyone here is picking one side or the other...I'm asking why doesn't any one go and do something about it? If that isn't to be the case, which it clearly isn't, then let the people who are doing something sort it out.

what can we do to stop this fighting that should've been done and we weren't able to do? call my congressman and tell him to intervene?

so far, i have not seen any nation from the advanced countries who's not one-sided so it makes very hard task. that's my view of the situation.

[BuffedGuy]

I never said I was proud of any one, I said I can "respect" a soldier who fights for what he believes in...two completely different things. I don't respect underhanded commentary and pontificating.

Everyone here is picking one side or the other...I'm asking why doesn't any one go and do something about it? If that isn't to be the case, which it clearly isn't, then let the people who are doing something sort it out.

Peace be unto you, Nooomoto.

I was too harsh on you. I apologize. Let me explain to you the benefit in us discussing this issue: it raises awareness in people, and if enough awareness is raised, then we Americans can pressure our government to stop funding Israel. If Israel loses the billions of dollars it gets from America, this will be a big blow to Israel, certainly more so than a rocket being launched at Israel. Therefore, this is how a word can be more powerful than a bomb.

Furthermore, if Americans are made aware of the situation, they can pressure their government to pressure Israel into making a fair peace with Palestinians, i.e. the two-state solution on the 1947 or 1967 borders.

Hope that helps understand why I think it is so crucial to "b****" on this issue.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.