5th cycle, need advice.

[tbjake34]

Hello, this is my 5th cycle. This is an all out bulker, I pretty much know what I want to run but have one concern. I lose a lot of hair when I run test so this is what I was thinking because I dont think I can afford to lose much more hair.

First of all, my stats:
Age: 21
Weight: 219
Height: 5'10"
Bf: 8%
Cycle Experience: 5 cycles all including test and some sort of oral, the highest I have ran test is 500mg/wk.
Diet: Bulk diet lots of cals, carbs, protein, ect...

My cycle:
Wk 1-6 dbol 50mg/day
Wk 1-16 Test E 300mg/wk
Wk 1-15 Deca 600mg/wk (never ran deca before FYI)
Wk 15-20 tbol 70mg/day

PCT:wk 15-20
HCG ( need help with dosing I have never ran it)
Nolvadex
Whatever else u guys think I need

My main concern is hair loss.. I never really get any other sides. But is 300mg enough test? Is two orals too many? Thanks for any input, advice is appreciated!!

[daniel202]

2 questions, why do you feel you need to run d bol and why use so much more deca then test e?

[tbjake34]

2 questions, why do you feel you need to run d bol and why use so much more deca then test e?

Dbol is nessasary cuz this is an all out bulker. And I lose a lot of hair on test, therefor i lower the dose..

[daniel202]

well usually most gains from d bol tend to go away after you stop using it. people mostly use it to see quick results till the test kick in.

also, using so little test with deca is not recommended.

[FireGuy]

5 cycles by the age of 21, hair loss would be the least of my worries.

[romo6]

I like it,you should be fine with two orals,there spaced apart anyways.Thats a myth that test needs to be higher,a hrt dose will work.I would start the hcg the last week of cycle at around 250ius e3rd day run up to pct.Not during pct.I would also get some clomid.

[tbjake34]

5 cycles by the age of 21, hair loss would be the least of my worries.

I intend on getting a pro card.. But anyway what if I bumped the test to 750/wk and ran 1mg/fina a day??

[tbjake34]

I like it,you should be fine with two orals,there spaced apart anyways.Thats a myth that test needs to be higher,a hrt dose will work.I would start the hcg the last week of cycle at around 250ius e3rd day run up to pct.Not during pct.I would also get some clomid.

Thank you for some actual advice. So the 300mg/wk is fine? Idk why it wouldnt be...

[tbjake34]

well usually most gains from d bol tend to go away after you stop using it. people mostly use it to see quick results till the test kick in.

also, using so little test with deca is not recommended.

Umm thats why its called a kickstart.....

[romo6]

5 cycles by the age of 21, hair loss would be the least of my worries.

Hey i agree,i was thinking the exact same thing,i just didnt say anything.

[Hazard]

#1..... i agree w/ fire guy.....

#2..... If your test runs to week 16 then your pct would begin week 18 not week 15

#3..... Your tbol would run to week 18 not week 20

I would keep the deca around 400-500/wk and put the test at 600 and get finasteride or 2% nizoral shampoo for the hair.

More importantly..... how is your blood work? have you had it done? You should really consider taking some time off and bulking naturally. I started cycling at 19 or so and now i wish i hadn't. I'm lucky in the respect that i havn't had problems from doing it..... but i took the last 3 years off from aas and i really learned a lot about my body. I weigh more now, naturally, than i did when i was on aas. It's just something to think about man......

~Haz~

[laduem88]

just curious..have you ran tren before

[daniel202]

Umm thats why its called a kickstart.....

umm so you lack the patience to wait 2 weeks for the test to kick in? i can understand why you would be in such a rush, you are already 21 no time to waste.

by the way, you shouldnt even use deca at your age at all. do some real research about it and you will figure out why. ummm

[Immortal Soldier]

just curious..have you ran tren before

Heavy androgens cause shedding...so you recommend him tren?

lol

[Hazard]

i would run HCG @ 250iu's 2-3 times a week from the start if not by the 2nd or 3rd week. stop the HCG before your PCT..... also - i'd have arimidex on hand for water retention and potential estrogen sides..... nolva in PCT with clomid ofcoarse.


Oh and i'd cut the deca short at 14 weeks and keep the test at 16..... i always felt that recovering was easier the earlier i got off the deca.

~Haz~

[tbjake34]

#1..... i agree w/ fire guy.....

#2..... If your test runs to week 16 then your pct would begin week 18 not week 15

#3..... Your tbol would run to week 18 not week 20

I would keep the deca around 400-500/wk and put the test at 600 and get finasteride or 2% nizoral shampoo for the hair.

More importantly..... how is your blood work? have you had it done? You should really consider taking some time off and bulking naturally. I started cycling at 19 or so and now i wish i hadn't. I'm lucky in the respect that i havn't had problems from doing it..... but i took the last 3 years off from aas and i really learned a lot about my body. I weigh more now, naturally, than i did when i was on aas. It's just something to think about man......

~Haz~

First of all thanks for the advice. I plan on running the tbol threw PCT so I can keep most of my gains. I have considered going all natural but idk.. Also, how much fina?

[tbjake34]

just curious..have you ran tren before

not yet

[tbjake34]

umm so you lack the patience to wait 2 weeks for the test to kick in? i can understand why you would be in such a rush, you are already 21 no time to waste.

by the way, you shouldnt even use deca at your age at all. do some real research about it and you will figure out why. ummm

First of all, this is AN ALL OUT BULKER!!! Ill run dbol if i want why are u so against it? Bro, no offense or anything but I have done my reasearch and know A LOT about AAS.. Everyone has different opionons on here, and thats fine. I think im ready for deca, all im asking is for advice, thats all. O and by the way, for me, test kicks in about half way through wk 4.

[tbjake34]

O, and to all the people that have posted im too young. I know I shouldnt have started juicing at 19 but whats done is done right? I mean im healthy in amazing shape and feel good. I one day I want to get a pro card and think its very possible. I know I might have health problems in the future, but its worth it to me.

[FireGuy]

First of all thanks for the advice. I plan on running the tbol threw PCT so I can keep most of my gains. I have considered going all natural but idk.. Also, how much fina?

OK, not to sidetrack you but....after 4 cycles you can NEVER go all natural. Sorry, but as a guy who competed completely natural for 15 years that kinda talk drives me nuts.

[laduem88]

Heavy androgens cause shedding...so you recommend him tren?

lol

HAHA no i was just curious...since hes 21 and im 21 and thinking about it

[Hazard]

OK, not to sidetrack you but....after 4 cycles you can NEVER go all natural. Sorry, but as a guy who competed completely natural for 15 years that kinda talk drives me nuts.

LOL just to clear up what i said to him...... i didn't mean to compete in the "all natural" class or that he can be considered "all natural" if he stopped taking aas..... i just meant that i myself have been training "naturally" for the past 3 years and off aas.... and i was encouraging him to do the same.....

~Haz~

[FireGuy]

LOL just to clear up what i said to him...... i didn't mean to compete in the "all natural" class or that he can be considered "all natural" if he stopped taking aas..... i just meant that i myself have been training "naturally" for the past 3 years and off aas.... and i was encouraging him to do the same.....

~Haz~

I wasnt referring to your advice, I copied his quote above the one I made.

[Immortal Soldier]

Plain and simple if you try to get your pro card there is no way you will ever be able to go back to being natural, you just won't be able to compete against other guys. If we are talking about IFBB, then you won't be able to compete against guys who will juice till they die basically. Not to mention you might be past your genetic limit or might not be so the gains you made with AAS (depending also on how much base you developed before you juice) will start to diminish and eventually go below genetic limit levels

[FireGuy]

You have a pic of your present condition you can post?

[Immortal Soldier]

HAHA no i was just curious...since hes 21 and im 21 and thinking about it

If you read his post you would know he never did tren and I wouldn't recommend tren to other users if you haven't tried it yourself.

Depending on your cycle history and experience, tren may or not be for you.

[Hazard]

I wasnt referring to your advice, I copied his quote above the one I made.

Oh i know..... i didn't mean to make it sound like i was "snapping back" at you or anything..... i didn't want people to think his comment was because of what i said..... so i just wanted to clarify what i meant

~Haz~

[FireGuy]

Oh i know..... i didn't mean to make it sound like i was "snapping back" at you or anything..... i didn't want people to think his comment was because of what i said..... so i just wanted to clarify what i meant

~Haz~

No worries, I did not take it like that :-)

[Hazard]

No worries, I did not take it like that :-)

OK good..... wouldn't wanna piss you off..... might need some advice from you when i wanna look like you in your av

~Haz~

[FireGuy]

Thanks bro, willing to help anytime.