My First Cycle

[beerpong]

Sup Guys

After lot of researching on this forum i think im finally ready for my first cycle so please critique my proposed cycle plan.

My Stats
25 years old
Height 5'9
161lbs
9% bf
Training: 5 years on and off

Cycle:
-500mg of test x2 a week for 12 weeks (Aburaihan Test 250) will inject Monday morning and Thursday Night
-40mg of D-bol- not sure how to take but was thinking x2 at 8am and x2 at 4pm??

AI:
-Running .25mg of a-dex throughout cycle but only have 20 tabs so that 80 days is that ok?

Syringes and Pins:
-Delts: 23gx 1"
-Glutes: 23gx1.5"
Plan to rotate site each injection day

Pct:
I believe i need to take 14 days after last shot? Correct me if im wrong
-Week 1-4 Nolva 40/20/20/20
-Week 1-4 Clomid 100/50/50/50 (dont have clomi on hand waiting for lion to get it in)

Supplements:
-Optimum 100% Whey protein, Fish Oil Pills, and Multivitamin (please recommend one with a high absorption rate) - will not take animal pak to MANY pills and BIG pills

Diet:
Small list of what i bought: Egg white, Tuna, Chicken Breast, Tri-Tip, Whole Wheat Pasta and Spaghetti, Cottage Cheese (for nights), Turkey, Apples, Strawberry, Cantelope, Whole Wheat Bread, Oatmeal, Carrots, Broccoli, Prepackage Salads etc--- $250 of food to start me off
I will be following a posted diet thread i found in the diet section from the forum but just tweaked a bit in my own way. My brother helped me calculate my macros/bmr i will post if you need them.

Plan to start this cycle this monday. I will be going out to fams for the 4th July weekend bbq. I will check back Sunday night.

BTW: will post before and after pictures when cycle is complete

Cheers

[Papa Smurf]

Not what you want to hear, but Id eat the food and loose the gear, at least for a while. How tall are you bro?

[Free Will]

^^^ yea how tall man , cos 161lbs is pretty light.....im 27 and ive waited to get to my maximum natural weight by eating and training , im 6ft 4 and im 220lbs ...now i am just in my 3 week of my cycle , so yea how tall are you ...might need some more food first ..but i do like the cycle , just maybe some more hard work first ...

[Papa Smurf]

ok.... you edited and I see your 5'9" which is a great height for bodybuilding.
You need to be at a natural weight of 190 ta 200 lbs before you start a cycle.

Now, I know you will anyway, so good luck!

[beerpong]

ok.... you edited and I see your 5'9" which is a great height for bodybuilding.
You need to be at a natural weight of 190 ta 200 lbs before you start a cycle.

Now, I know you will anyway, so good luck!

Well it seems that people that weigh 190+ or more their bf% is too high and people like me who have a low bf% weigh too little like me at 160 lbs to start a proposed cycle. I dont want to look like a freak. As for as my training i can bench, squat, curl as much if not more than bigger people than me in the gym. So I know its not my training. I know im a little on the light side and i have taken that into consideration but still plan to start my cycle anywayz. =)
Any other input would be greatly appreciated

[ninesecz]

gonna give it to you straight. the compounds and cycle mlength as well as pct look good! I would just make sure you keep tabs on your diet! remember you will want more protein / carbs while "On" and you will be gaining weight weekly and will need to adjust intake accordingly! PCT is just as about important as the cycle so do not say what you are going to use, not having it on hand and then plan on getting it later! A lot can happen in 12 weeks! you could be out of money, lose your connection, end up with bunk items, etc etc etc... You say you would never do that So did I Then my life came crashing down and nevr bothered to get it cauise I did not have the money and struggled with low low test for 3 ears till i got insurance and could afford the $300+ test to find out I needed TRT for life! All I can say Just make sure you are going to do it 100% if you are going to do it! It is stupid and makes no sense to do it half assed!! Just being honest and laying all the cards on the table for ya!

[beerpong]

I have money set aside already for the clomi. Just waiting until Lion gets it in stock. That is the only thing i need left for my cycle. I most definately plan to keep my carb and protein intake high. Most of it will come from the meats and pastas i will be cooking a day in advance. Limiting protein shakes one in the morning with eggs/oatmeals, and a pwo shake

[RedBaron]

It has already been said above, but honestly you have zero business cycling at this point. If you were 25 and had been hitting the gym religiously since you were 16 and not "on and off" for a few years, and if you were eating every bit of lean protein you could possibly stuff in your mouth, then at this point the conversation would be different.

The difference in someone that grows from their gym efforts and someone that doesn't all comes down to eating. Protein, Protein, Protein ... did I mention protein. Carbs enough to fuel a kick your butt workout, but beyond that more protein than you may think. And to get big, your fat level is going to cruise at 12-13%, not single digit ... that is reserved for after you are already there. Working out without mega protein in the mix will make you strong and healthy, but certainly WILL NOT make you big.

What you have described is half-hearted gym work, more concern over single digit fat that really packing on some serious beef, you're self-admittedly too light, but yet you have the "what the hell let's cycle anyway" mentality that is giving all of us that are serious about the sport a bad name.

My honest advice to you as a 30 year veteran competitive bodybuilder is please do us all a favor. Get your #$$% in the gym, work until you puke ever single workout, eat like you haven't seen a meal in years 6-7 times a day, and then in a few years come back and talk to us about a cycle. You will thank everyone here as well as yourself for it.

[beerpong]

It has already been said above, but honestly you have zero business cycling at this point. If you were 25 and had been hitting the gym religiously since you were 16 and not "on and off" for a few years, and if you were eating every bit of lean protein you could possibly stuff in your mouth, then at this point the conversation would be different.

The difference in someone that grows from their gym efforts and someone that doesn't all comes down to eating. Protein, Protein, Protein ... did I mention protein. Carbs enough to fuel a kick your butt workout, but beyond that more protein than you may think. And to get big, your fat level is going to cruise at 12-13%, not single digit ... that is reserved for after you are already there. Working out without mega protein in the mix will make you strong and healthy, but certainly WILL NOT make you big.

What you have described is half-hearted gym work, more concern over single digit fat that really packing on some serious beef, you're self-admittedly too light, but yet you have the "what the hell let's cycle anyway" mentality that is giving all of us that are serious about the sport a bad name.

My honest advice to you as a 30 year veteran competitive bodybuilder is please do us all a favor. Get your #$$% in the gym, work until you puke ever single workout, eat like you haven't seen a meal in years 6-7 times a day, and then in a few years come back and talk to us about a cycle. You will thank everyone here as well as yourself for it.

You should a be little more realistic in your response. Our goals and value are on opposite ends. Im full time student and work a full time job. Sometimes i dont have time to eat four meals in day. The reason i choose this summer so i can spend more time eating and training. Secondly when i say on and off i dont mean i take a vacation after some time working out. When midterms and finals come i need to take time off to study since accounting classes and a full time job is demanding in time. Thirdly some people are genetically disposed being skinny, fat, or big i dont plan on shoving food in my face to get to certain weight to cycle that's ridiculous. Lastly i know people from college and friends who have cycled with out a proper knowledge i gained here and not weighing 200lbs naturally and eating at places like McDonalds when they dont have time to cook who made great gains. Im sure there are a lot of people on this thread that cycled without meeting all the requirements you just spoke off. A lot of people take short cuts in life and a AAS cycle is one of them.

My two cents.

[RedBaron]

I think you will find that I have been very realistic in my response. Here is what you just told me -

I don't have time to eat right

I don't have time to workout right

I don't have a desire to really give this what it needs to actually succeed, but ......

I am going to take that magic pill that will transform my life and make all the women love me!

Come on now, who is being unrealistic here.

If you don't have the time or desire to make use of a cycle, then you REALLY aren't going to gain anything from it. Despite whatever fairy tale you have been reading, if you cycle and don't hit the gym religiously and eat lots of quality food, it will do about jack and diddly for you. If you don't have the time to make a commitment now, then now just isn't the time. Worry about general fitness and getting out of school. Worry about getting bigger when that is complete. With or without steroids, that is going to be the end result anyway.

In my response, I tried to be as honest as someone could be ... that is what I feel I owe someone. If you read your response above and look at it honestly, you are going to agree. I am telling you right now, if you burn a first cycle half assed like you are getting ready to do, you are going to end up with at the very best half assed results. I could take someone serious about improving themselves and ready to make an honest go at a fully natural workout and kick the crap out of the results that your about to achieve with your "steroid magic" fairytale. Most folks are too polite to spell that out. I would rather be truthful and tell you the straight scoop than to try to feed you ego and give you a false "atta boy" and make a false friend of you.

That is my two cents. I gave you a completely realistic response. If you approached really worked, every college campus in America would be full of walking 300 pound Ruhl monsters. All I see at campuses around America are a bunch of acne ridden, small guys who are always looking for that short-cut ticket to actually digging in and getting the job done. That is the gospel truth, take it for what you will. I am truly trying to be a friend ... one that will tell you the truth and not stroke your ego for ego sake.

[beerpong]

I think you will find that I have been very realistic in my response. Here is what you just told me -

I don't have time to eat right

I don't have time to workout right

I don't have a desire to really give this what it needs to actually succeed, but ......

I am going to take that magic pill that will transform my life and make all the women love me!

Come on now, who is being unrealistic here.

If you don't have the time or desire to make use of a cycle, then you REALLY aren't going to gain anything from it. Despite whatever fairy tale you have been reading, if you cycle and don't hit the gym religiously and eat lots of quality food, it will do about jack and diddly for you.

In my response, I tried to be as honest as someone could be ... that is what I feel I owe someone. If you read your response above and look at it honestly, you are going to agree. I am telling you right now, if you burn a first cycle half assed like you are getting ready to do, you are going to end up with at the very best half assed results. I could take someone serious about improving themselves and ready to make an honest go at a fully natural workout and kick the crap out of the results that your about to achieve with your "steroid magic" fairytale. Most folks are too polite to spell that out. I would rather be truthful and tell you the straight scoop than to try to feed you ego and give you a false "atta boy".

That is my two cents. I gave you a completely realistic response.

Well i will most definately post my before and after "half assed" picture results when i done completing my cycle. Secondly read my above my post to your list why i choose this summer to do my cycle. Thirdly im doing it for myself i have a gf and i know steroids isnt a magic pill. Lastly check your ego before you post anymore responses.

[RedBaron]

Okay, I am sorry that you have taken a sincere, honest reply and taken it as ego. I assure you there is no ego on this end ... only life without beer goggles or rose colored glasses. I have seen (an unfortunately too many times been party to) about every mistake that can be made many times over. I was merely trying to help you from being just one more statistic along the road. While not getting into detail, professionally I end up helping folks like yourself after you screw yourself up ... a sad proposition at best. Unfortunately, sometimes you can help people, sometimes you can't.

All that being said, you are a big boy and it sounds like you really don't need or want input ... so enjoy! By all means if you are going to go ahead and run a cycle, please work out hard .. and eat a lot of quality protein. Without it, your steroids will be left with nothing to build new muscle with. When I mention weight above, I am assuming anyone on a fitness board will take that as lean muscle weight, not fat. When I was in college, I would pack chicken breast, turkey breast, broccoli, pastas, vege's, apples and the like. Certainly no one caring about their health and how they look would suggest eating (frequenting) places like Mc'yD's. There are plenty of 5 minute healthy snacks to keep your anabolic engine perkolating even while busy. Trust me, you don't hold a patent on the whole busy thing. A whole bunch of us are in the same boat on a perpetual basis. My sincere apologies for bending your nose out of shape. That was in no wise the intent. Best of luck with you endeavors and your health.

[ninesecz]

Well i will most definately post my before and after "half assed" picture results when i done completing my cycle. Secondly read my above my post to your list why i choose this summer to do my cycle. Thirdly im doing it for myself i have a gf and i know steroids isnt a magic pill. Lastly check your ego before you post anymore responses.

I do not mthink he was trying to be a jerk to you! It is just there are literally a hundred people on here a day that are or should I say think they are redy to do their 1st cycle and non e of them have a clue how to do it! And he is saying that because AAS will most definately give you a boost, but he is right if you do not push yourself and do extra sets and higher weight to push yourself and try to build that new muscle, then they are not going to help anymore than a bottle og Hydroxicuts and some creatine. and that is the honest truth! Trust me.. it is not just a s simple as stabbing yourself and waking up 10 days later saying WOW this stuff works! 70% of the people here are not even close on their diets. and here is the kicker... if they had their diet worked out completely and just worked out and ate right they would make gains with both strength and size so fast they could almost be convinced that someone slipped steroids into their water when they werent looking! thast is the truth! and the sad part is that unless the diet is worked out like that, the roids are not going to work very good. I know my diet and foods so good that I know exactly what 1serving of everything I eat has in it for cals, fat / pro/ carbs and it is like that with pretty much every food I put into my body! I do not need to even read labels anymore! I have a 50 food database stored in my head!

[beerpong]

Well than to each their own. Thanks for the input

[Phate]

i do not mthink he was trying to be a jerk to you! It is just there are literally a hundred people on here a day that are or should i say think they are redy to do their 1st cycle and non e of them have a clue how to do it! And he is saying that because aas will most definately give you a boost, but he is right if you do not push yourself and do extra sets and higher weight to push yourself and try to build that new muscle, then they are not going to help anymore than a bottle og hydroxicuts and some creatine. And that is the honest truth! Trust me.. It is not just a s simple as stabbing yourself and waking up 10 days later saying wow this stuff works! 70% of the people here are not even close on their diets. And here is the kicker... If they had their diet worked out completely and just worked out and ate right they would make gains with both strength and size so fast they could almost be convinced that someone slipped steroids into their water when they werent looking! Thast is the truth! And the sad part is that unless the diet is worked out like that, the roids are not going to work very good. I know my diet and foods so good that i know exactly what 1serving of everything i eat has in it for cals, fat / pro/ carbs and it is like that with pretty much every food i put into my body! I do not need to even read labels anymore! I have a 50 food database stored in my head!

can i get a hallelujah!!!! Amen brotha

[RedBaron]

I do not mthink he was trying to be a jerk to you! It is just there are literally a hundred people on here a day that are or should I say think they are redy to do their 1st cycle and non e of them have a clue how to do it! And he is saying that because AAS will most definately give you a boost, but he is right if you do not push yourself and do extra sets and higher weight to push yourself and try to build that new muscle, then they are not going to help anymore than a bottle og Hydroxicuts and some creatine. and that is the honest truth! Trust me.. it is not just a s simple as stabbing yourself and waking up 10 days later saying WOW this stuff works! 70% of the people here are not even close on their diets. and here is the kicker... if they had their diet worked out completely and just worked out and ate right they would make gains with both strength and size so fast they could almost be convinced that someone slipped steroids into their water when they werent looking! thast is the truth! and the sad part is that unless the diet is worked out like that, the roids are not going to work very good. I know my diet and foods so good that I know exactly what 1serving of everything I eat has in it for cals, fat / pro/ carbs and it is like that with pretty much every food I put into my body! I do not need to even read labels anymore! I have a 50 food database stored in my head!

Thank you for putting it more elegantly than I did. I wasn't trying to be a jerk and that was really what I was trying to say. Dial in the diet and the workout ... critical to getting big with or without steroids.

[mrdieselone]

seriously ..ive been training for over 26 years and completed for the first time @ age of 15 ..as i started my voyage in the bodybuild world from the ripe age of 11 years old when i picked up education of a bodybuild by the one and only arnold..i didnt start my first cycle until i was 27 at that point i had competed 6 times..
take advantage of the advice from the vets in here and start training hard and eating well juice doesnt make you big..your commitment to the sport does..GET EDUCATED..!!!

[beerpong]

seriously ..ive been training for over 26 years and completed for the first time @ age of 15 ..as i started my voyage in the bodybuild world from the ripe age of 11 years old when i picked up education of a bodybuild by the one and only arnold..i didnt start my first cycle until i was 27 at that point i had competed 6 times..
take advantage of the advice from the vets in here and start training hard and eating well juice doesnt make you big..your commitment to the sport does..GET EDUCATED..!!!

Wow i cant wait to prove you guys wrong. You guys think me of a punk a$$ kid who wants to juice. When you guys can present REAL FACTS or STUDIES that show a 160lb individual cant gain muscle and weight i will gladly take the advice. As for my diet its now where near perfect im still learning as i read from the diet thread but you guys trashing me already that i have bad habits without knowing a single thing i eat in a typical day. Besides everyone here in this thread seems to self proclaimed dietitian do you have degree or facts to back up your statements of what a perfect diet is? You been training for 26 years?! Pleaes post your picuture i have to see your dedication to this sport.

[Noles12]

Wow i cant wait to prove you guys wrong. You guys think me of a punk a$$ kid who wants to juice. When you guys can present REAL FACTS or STUDIES that show a 160lb individual cant gain muscle and weight i will gladly take the advice. As for my diet its now where near perfect im still learning as i read from the diet thread but you guys trashing me already that i have bad habits without knowing a single thing i eat in a typical day. Besides everyone here in this thread seems to self proclaimed dietitian do you have degree or facts to back up your statements of what a perfect diet is? You been training for 26 years?! Pleaes post your picuture i have to see your dedication to this sport.

Please post yours along with your diet with times and macros. No one said you cant gain muscle. I gain muscle while i am off cycle also due to diet. I can tell you a 160 pound individual witha terrible diet will never out gain a 200 pound individual with a great diet

[RedBaron]

No one is saying that a 160 pound person can't gain muscle. What everyone is trying to tell you is precisely the opposite. At 160 pounds at your height, you CAN gain muscle ... really easily ... WITHOUT drugs. That is what seems to be escaping you in the the conversation.

No one is "trashing" you. You have rationalized in this very thread that you are busy and that you don't eat as you should because of such. That is all that people have keyed off of. Everyone is trying to help you understand that all you really need to do to pack on some serious muscle this summer is to get your eating plan dialed in and hit the gym religiously - and by religiously I am not talking about marathon sessions. I have personally worked out with many bb's that you would most certainly know, and I can tell you that in a 45-50 minute session, you will be lucky to drag yourself out of the gym. It isn't a huge dedication in time, it is a huge dedication in just seeing to it that you do it religiously. Same with eating. You can take in the macros you need in just a few minutes ... at work, at school, in your car ... wherever you are. It just takes the dedication to do it religiously. That is all anyone is saying. There isn't a need to cycle at this point. You would be completely blown away at the gains you will make just by dialing in your nutrition and workout plan. A couple of years from now, then it would be the appropriate time to have the "better living through chemical enhancement" conversation.

I don't think anyone has any doubt that you can put on some weight. Your pics will be at 160 and then may 170'something. What we are trying to say is you can post those same pics minus the steroids. Seriously, best of luck to you ... whatever you end up doing. I really do hope you achieve your goals short order ... as do everyone else here.

[ninesecz]

No one in here is saying they are a dietician. I am simply saying I know what a good diet for my body is (never said it was perfect) Simply saying it takes a few years to get your diet in good shape because you need to find out what foods work for you and what doesnt! If you do not want to believe us, thats fine! and It is usually puns Ass kids that come here and ask for advice and then get bent out of shape when it is given....Sound familiar??

[beerpong]

No one in here is saying they are a dietician. I am simply saying I know what a good diet for my body is (never said it was perfect) Simply saying it takes a few years to get your diet in good shape because you need to find out what foods work for you and what doesnt! If you do not want to believe us, thats fine! and It is usually puns Ass kids that come here and ask for advice and then get bent out of shape when it is given....Sound familiar??

You should know your the one on trt. I'm not bent out shape and not the one resorting to name calling.

[ninesecz]

You should know your the one on trt. I'm not bent out shape and not the one resorting to name calling.

first off.. what the hell does being on trt have to do with anything?? and second when did i do any name calling! We have all been giving you advice and you have been giving us rude comments in return. no more advice from me!

[hankdiesel]

The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that you have been lifting for five yearsoff and on. This usually means more off than on. Be consistent bro. When you mentioned your diet you said you bought a bunch of food to get started. You should've already been eating like that.

[ghettoboyd]

The thing that bothers me the most is the fact that you have been lifting for five yearsoff and on. This usually means more off than on. Be consistent bro. When you mentioned your diet you said you bought a bunch of food to get started. You should've already been eating like that.

exactly, you need to get your diet in order and learn how to grow natrully first,so when you add aas it will be so much more effective.if you speend the whole tyme tweeking your diet while on your gains will be so much less. thats the main point here. instead of challenging peeps here when thay make a suggestion maybee take a little time to resurch what thay are talking about.good luck

[Darksyde]

dont worry beerpong, im sure someone will be in here to champion your cause (the who cares about my lack of time and dedication cause) in no time.