OK Looks Like I got a few things wrong.. what's best from here?

[d42matni]

Hi Everyone. Thanks for looking in.

I've been reading and reading many different threads and stickies on this site and am a lot more informed than I was a couple of months ago. I've also changed my diet to smaller more regular meals (ideally 8 a day). I'm 38 and around 196 pounds (14 stone in English money).

After loosing around 140 pounds of fat and having exercised 5 days a week over the last four years I wanted to make more of a difference and look better with my clothes off. I wanted more muscle and have increased the weights I use quite a bit over the last two years..

I started taking Dianabol about 3 weeks ago. I was taking 50mg a day BUT not taking any at the weekends. Before that I had taken 3 weeks worth of Winstrol at 50mg a day (again not at the weekends). I had no knowledge really of what I should be doing and was just following advise of a mate who has dabbled with steroids for years. But after deciding to try and get more informed and reading a lot of the posts on here it seems you guys have a lot more knowledge on the matter AND that I wasn't quite doing things right.

Q1) Am I right in thinking I SHOULD have been taking these seven days a week and not missing the weekend days? I'm guessing this is to keep the levels of testosterone up and not let them drop at the weekend?

Q1b) .. and that's even on days I don't work out? i.e. I'm still intending to work out on Mon, Tues Wed Thur and Friday and do nothing at all on Sat and Sun.

Now I have recently bought more Dianabol, some Winstrol and some Nolvadex after reading some posts on this mighty forum.

I had already started this fourth week on 50mg of Dianabol and 50mg of Winstrol with the intention of carrying on like this until week 8 whereby I'd change it to just winstrol 50mg daily and Nolvadex 20mg daily for 3 weeks and then start all over again.

But after reading more and more it seems like you guys spend a fortune on the ideal cycle and PCT. Now money is a big issue for me and I can't afford to spend much more than I already have at the moment.

From what I've read on here it seems that to get the best results I should have also bought some form of testosterone injectable to use/stack along with the dianabol (not sure which one) and possibly some clomid to use/stack with the Nolvadex.

Q2) I suppose my question is can I get/expect any good results from the three things I already have? (dianabol, winstrol and Nolvadex).

OR Q3) would you seriously recommend I try and find a bit more money and buy one other substance to make a big difference to my results/cycle?

I've only just read earlier today that some of you guys don't recommend doing dianabol on its own like I am doing. Q4) Have I messed up big time?

Q5) Is my idea of doing 8 weeks then 3 weeks and starting over again (as above) OK? or have I misinterpreted what a cycle and PCT is?

Q6) ..and after a cycle of steroids and a then a PCT period should I go straight back on a steroid cycle or is there a gap between PCT and starting another cycle?

I've got to the stage - the more I read the more my head hurts but mainly it seems as though I could spend a never ending fortune doing things perfectly.

I really could do with an experienced person setting me straight and putting me back on the right track.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you
Matt

[hankdiesel]

All this research you'll done you should've learned to do test only for your first cycle. Oral dbol and winstrol....come on.

[D7M]

congrats on loosing all the weight, and congrats on creating one of the clearest and most

well organized posts I've seen in a while!

Q1. Generally, yes. You'd want to dose your orals ED. This is to keep blood plasma levels consistent, though, not testosterone levels stable. Similar to if your doctor prescribed
you a medication, and the directions were to dose it every 4 hours, for example. You'd
take it as directed, and not skip weekend, right?

Q1b. See above.

Q2. No, not really. You will have some weight gain from the dbol, but most of it will disappear after you discontinue it.

Q3. No, I'd recommend you keep reading, researching and asking question, until you are
absolutely clear on what you are putting into your body.

Q4. Yes, you kinda did. But that's ok. We'll get you sorted out.

Q5. You're on the right track. The typical protocol is time on + pct = time off. So if you
did an 8 week cycle, and your pct last 4 weeks, you'd take 12 weeks off before beginning another cycle. But this is just a general outline, and the best way to be sure
if you're ready for another cycle is to get some blood work done.

Q6. See Q5.

I'd seriously recommend you stop your dbol cycle, do your pct, and get some blood work done.

And yes, test should be the base of any good cycle.

In the meantime, you can start reading here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

and get back to us with any questions.

how tall are you? do you know your body fat%?

[c-Z]

How do you guys manage to sit here and read these books?

[trulbfan3]

ooo shit we got another guy who started eatin pills w/ notknowin what the hell he was takin or what they do....read the stickis and go to the beginnners forum then read the damn steroid profiles....

[marcus300]

congrats on loosing all the weight, and congrats on creating one of the clearest and most

well organized posts I've seen in a while!

Q1. Generally, yes. You'd want to dose your orals ED. This is to keep blood plasma levels consistent, though, not testosterone levels stable. Similar to if your doctor prescribed
you a medication, and the directions were to dose it every 4 hours, for example. You'd
take it as directed, and not skip weekend, right?

Q1b. See above.

Q2. No, not really. You will have some weight gain from the dbol, but most of it will disappear after you discontinue it.

Q3. No, I'd recommend you keep reading, researching and asking question, until you are
absolutely clear on what you are putting into your body.

Q4. Yes, you kinda did. But that's ok. We'll get you sorted out.

Q5. You're on the right track. The typical protocol is time on + pct = time off. So if you
did an 8 week cycle, and your pct last 4 weeks, you'd take 12 weeks off before beginning another cycle. But this is just a general outline, and the best way to be sure
if you're ready for another cycle is to get some blood work done.

Q6. See Q5.

I'd seriously recommend you stop your dbol cycle, do your pct, and get some blood work done.

And yes, test should be the base of any good cycle.

In the meantime, you can start reading here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

and get back to us with any questions.

how tall are you? do you know your body fat%?

Agreed^^
Looks like the fresh blood new guy D7M said it all here, well done saves me a job of writing it all out, I knew i was right voting for you! keep it up

[d42matni]

Thanks for your advise D7M. It's appreciated.

hankdiesel + trulbfan3 I know I've done things the typically stupid and wrong way - take something and THEN look it up. I'm guessing I'm not the first nor will be the last. Hopefully you good guys here will help me correct that mistake

Q1) OK I'll stop with the Dbol and do my PCT. All I have for PCT though is Nolv - is that going to be OK as I know Pheedno's PCT recommends Nolv and Clomid. I have no Clomid. Looks like I'll have to buy some for next time though.

I'm thinking 20mg ED of the Nolv for 2 weeks as I've only been on Dbol for 4 weeks. Q2) Do you think that's sensible?

Q3) And then from what you're saying - Should I have an 'off time' of 6 weeks? So this means off from everything? Q4) and nothing like clen?

Q5) I'm a little confused as to what/when a cutting cycle or cutting agents come into things. Is a cutting cycle 'counted/treated' as a full on cycle? i.e. you treat it like it was a bulking cycle? Q6) and then do another PCT after that? I see the newbies cycles thread here http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894 but don't see anything referring to cutting. I've a feeling that's a silly question but can't put my finger on why

Q7) When does one take clen then? I'm asking specifically about clen as my friend at the gym has some and is offering it to me. I don't want to rush in and take it. I'm just trying to understand everything here that's new to me all at once and am concerned about getting getting it wrong again.

BTW I am 5'11'' and will have to get a BF measurement done. I have no actual weight goal. My only goal is to look good/better with my clothes off.

Q8) So, after I've gotten away from the Dbol only plan (bad idea I know now) and done my small PCT for that and after my off time (if the above ideas are correct) am I right in thinking that I should be doing a cycle like (from http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742)

weeks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg/day ?

Hopefully that will get my going in the right direction. Q9) And then follow a PCT like Pheedno's with Clomid and Nolv and L'dex?

Q10) L'Dex is Arimidex isn't it? it wasn't 100% clear in Pheedno's PCT or the profile page thread for it.



Sorry to be such a newbie. I know it can be frustrating. Hopefully I can get this into my thick skull asap.

Thanks again all
Matt

[d42matni]

Can I ask as well - When you do a before and after picture - Is there a best way to pose? i.e. just stand naturally at ease? or try and tense muscles or in a pose? it's for me AND in case I'm ever brave enough to post in the pics section.

Thank you
Matt

[D7M]

Can I ask as well - When you do a before and after picture - Is there a best way to pose? i.e. just stand naturally at ease? or try and tense muscles or in a pose? it's for me AND in case I'm ever brave enough to post in the pics section.

Thank you
Matt

A relaxed pic would be helpful. And flex. Not a huge deal. Try to get legs, back, upper body, and if you want to do comparison pics, try to take the pics in the same poses.

Thanks for your advise D7M. It's appreciated.

No problem

Q1) OK I'll stop with the Dbol and do my PCT. All I have for PCT though is Nolv - is that going to be OK as I know Pheedno's PCT recommends Nolv and Clomid. I have no Clomid. Looks like I'll have to buy some for next time though.

I'm thinking 20mg ED of the Nolv for 2 weeks as I've only been on Dbol for 4 weeks. Q2) Do you think that's sensible?

You can order clomid from the red banner at the top right. If you only have nolva, you coulddo that. But I'd go 40mg for the first two weeks, then 20mg for the last two weeks.

Q3) And then from what you're saying - Should I have an 'off time' of 6 weeks? So this means off from everything? Q4) and nothing like clen?

Well, clen isn't a steroid, it won't affect your natural test production.

Q5) I'm a little confused as to what/when a cutting cycle or cutting agents come into things. Is a cutting cycle 'counted/treated' as a full on cycle? i.e. you treat it like it was a bulking cycle? Q6) and then do another PCT after that? I see the newbies cycles thread here http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894 but don't see anything referring to cutting. I've a feeling that's a silly question but can't put my finger on why

If you run a cutting cycle, then yes, it'd be "counted" as a full cycle. Remember that cutting has more to do about diet than about the compounds you use.


Q7) When does one take clen then? I'm asking specifically about clen as my friend at the gym has some and is offering it to me. I don't want to rush in and take it. I'm just trying to understand everything here that's new to me all at once and am concerned about getting getting it wrong again.

BTW I am 5'11'' and will have to get a BF measurement done. I have no actual weight goal. My only goal is to look good/better with my clothes off.


You don't have to take clen just because someone offers it to you. It'd be helpful to know your bf, but from what you're describing, you should probably just hold off from taking anything at this point and keep reading and asking well organized questions.

Q8) So, after I've gotten away from the Dbol only plan (bad idea I know now) and done my small PCT for that and after my off time (if the above ideas are correct) am I right in thinking that I should be doing a cycle like (from http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742)

weeks 1-12 test e 500mg/week
weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg/day ?

Yep, that's a good cycle to start with.

Hopefully that will get my going in the right direction. Q9) And then follow a PCT like Pheedno's with Clomid and Nolv and L'dex?

sounds good. Be sure to have that pct all squared away before you begin.

Q10) L'Dex is Arimidex isn't it? it wasn't 100% clear in Pheedno's PCT or the profile page thread for it.

Yep. L-dex is Arimidex.


Sorry to be such a newbie. I know it can be frustrating. Hopefully I can get this into my thick skull asap.

Thanks again all
Matt

^bolds above.

[d42matni]

Excellent!

Thank you D7M

Matt