Looking for criticism for my cycle...

[bobby_world]

26 years old, been training for 6 years. 180 lbs. Did a cycle 5 years ago, ran test E with Deca and finished off with trenbolone acetate.

Now, im trying to stay mild and I want to do something clean, hopefully not even shut down my HPTA. so i thought i would do

12 weeks of Primo @ 600mg per week.
Maybe throw in some anavar as well.
What do you guys think? When should I start my PCT and what should I use for it as well?

[c-Z]

Most steroids you run will hurt your test. Maybe not shut you down completely but will affect your test levels.

How tall are you?

[Vitruvian-Man]

Looks fine to me. Primo is very mild on the HPTA. I might opt for a bit of a higher dosage, since you're using it as your primary compound. But since you haven't cycled in so long it might provide decent gains.

You could also consider doing EQ instead for 14 weeks @ 600 - 800mg/wk.

-VM

[marcus300]

I don't like it, even when you use mild AAS if they are ran long enough they will shut you down and primo on its own wont do anything IMHO, your better off running a low dose test.

[Vitruvian-Man]

I don't like it, even when you use mild AAS if they are ran long enough they will shut you down and primo on its own wont do anything IMHO, your better off running a low dose test.

Actually I'm not sure how much truth there is in that. I'm not sure if you recall, but I remember reading a thread on here from years ago where the OP took EQ only for 12 weeks, and when he got his bloodwork done on the 8th week his HPTA was barely suppressed.

I'm obviously not saying that the gains are going to be profound, but for someone who is VERY concerned about recovering post cycle / if it's difficult for them to recover, then primo/EQ/anavar/T-bol only cycles can definitely be an option.

-VM

[c-Z]

Actually I'm not sure how much truth there is in that. I'm not sure if you recall, but I remember reading a thread on here from years ago where the OP took EQ only for 12 weeks, and when he got his bloodwork done on the 8th week his HPTA was barely suppressed.

I'm obviously not saying that the gains are going to be profound, but for someone who is VERY concerned about recovering post cycle / if it's difficult for them to recover, then primo/EQ/anavar/T-bol only cycles can definitely be an option.

-VM

I look at it like this... You get way you pay for basically. In that aspect. Basically even if it does shut you down barely. Your results will be just that. Barely. So really with that being said... Why even cycle with something so mild. If I am going to use steroids. And admit to not being natural. At least let me be on something worth taking where I don't look like someone who is natural.

[marcus300]

Actually I'm not sure how much truth there is in that. I'm not sure if you recall, but I remember reading a thread on here from years ago where the OP took EQ only for 12 weeks, and when he got his bloodwork done on the 8th week his HPTA was barely suppressed.

I'm obviously not saying that the gains are going to be profound, but for someone who is VERY concerned about recovering post cycle / if it's difficult for them to recover, then primo/EQ/anavar/T-bol only cycles can definitely be an option.

-VM

Like ive already stated, if you run a drug what is mild on your HPTA long enough it will shut you down, I am not really interested in one guy on here years ago, i know this for a fact from many guys ive worked with and my own experience.

Personally I wouldnt recommend eq to anyone except if they are oiling a squeaking door, but I do understand some people like it thats fair enough but I think its worthless at building tissue.

If the OP is concerned about recovery I would advice a shorter cycle than 12 weeks, more like 6 weeks with mild AAS would be a better option but the cycle he stated is rubbish IMHO.

[bobby_world]

So are you saying that I wont get any gains at all from doing 600mg per week for 12 weeks long? Even if I throw in a little Anavar? I dont wanna blow up and be a heat score, just maybe a few pounds of solid gains.

[marcus300]

So are you saying that I wont get any gains at all from doing 600mg per week for 12 weeks long? Even if I throw in a little Anavar? I dont wanna blow up and be a heat score, just maybe a few pounds of solid gains.

You probably would be better off with just the Var, but I wouldn't recommed primo on its own without some Test IMHO, primo is very weak but it does have its place along some cycles what are couple with Test but ive found it to be very weak at that dose anyway.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Like ive already stated, if you run a drug what is mild on your HPTA long enough it will shut you down, I am not really interested in one guy on here years ago, i know this for a fact from many guys ive worked with and my own experience.

You never even define what "long enough" is though?

I know a friend that has run EQ for 8 months straight, while "on" and "off" cycle. But I'm not going to sit here drawing from personal experiences.

Blood-work doesn't lie . (given it is individual though.)

Personally I wouldnt recommend eq to anyone except if they are oiling a squeaking door, but I do understand some people like it thats fair enough but I think its worthless at building tissue.

Different strokes for different folks.

If the OP is concerned about recovery I would advice a shorter cycle than 12 weeks, more like 6 weeks with mild AAS would be a better option but the cycle he stated is rubbish IMHO.

Running testosterone (even at a low dosage) will shut down your HPTA within a matter of weeks. Indefinitely within, 6. You need to stop and look at it from the opposite perspective: recovering one's natural testosterone production is quite a bit easier when it's JUST suppressed rather then completely shutdown.

Just because you consider it "rubbish" doesn't necessarily mean it won't provide the OP with the gains he was looking for.

Comments in bold.

I look at it like this... You get way you pay for basically. In that aspect. Basically even if it does shut you down barely. Your results will be just that. Barely. So really with that being said... Why even cycle with something so mild. If I am going to use steroids. And admit to not being natural. At least let me be on something worth taking where I don't look like someone who is natural.

Gains are different for each individual using AAS. There are a multitude of reasons why one wouldn't want to "look" or gain mass like a "juicer"... Cycles are completely unique to the user. If someone is looking for moderate gains, with little to minimal HPTA suppression then a mild-AAS may be a good option to consider.

-VM

[bobby_world]

What if i went up to 800mg per week? wouldnt i get something off that if i ran it for 12 weeks?
How much Var should i be doing?

[Vitruvian-Man]

So are you saying that I wont get any gains at all from doing 600mg per week for 12 weeks long? Even if I throw in a little Anavar? I dont wanna blow up and be a heat score, just maybe a few pounds of solid gains.

You will indefinitely see gains / changes to your physique from a primo/anavar cycle.

People can be biased as they want towards the compounds, but reality they still do their job.

-VM

[bobby_world]

Yes that is what I believe im looking for. But now that some people are saying i wont gain anything its making me worried. I want to gain maybe 5 - 8 pounds, but now blow up massively. Can this be done with the doses i have stated?

[Vitruvian-Man]

repost.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Yes that is what I believe im looking for. But now that some people are saying i wont gain anything its making me worried. I want to gain maybe 5 - 8 pounds, but now blow up massively. Can this be done with the doses i have stated?

Oh... well if that's all you're going for then I would probably just run var.

it can give you 5 - 8 pounds of lean muscle in 6 - 8 weeks.

Run it @ 60 - 80mg/ed.

It's also light on the HPTA. no need for primo if that's your only goal...

-VM

[bobby_world]

Do i have to go as high as 800mg or can i stay around 600mg?
Also, should i start off at week 1 with 600 (or 800mg) or should i pyramid it up and down?

[marcus300]

Do i have to go as high as 800mg or can i stay around 600mg?
Also, should i start off at week 1 with 600 (or 800mg) or should i pyramid it up and down?

I would just run the Var, i wouldnt mix both of them without some Test, also primo is very weak and you wont see much if you dont run it high enough anyway.

[bobby_world]

Why wouldnt you mix both of them without any test? Wouldnt stacking the two of them together get me better gains than just the Var alone?

[bobby_world]

Oh... well if that's all you're going for then I would probably just run var.

it can give you 5 - 8 pounds of lean muscle in 6 - 8 weeks.

Run it @ 60 - 80mg/ed.

It's also light on the HPTA. no need for primo if that's your only goal...

-VM

Then it wouldnt hurt to throw in the Primo at a dose of 600mg per week with the Var right? How much weight do you think i will gain if i stack the two of them together?

[BIG_GUNS_21]

Personally I would get some test. Regardless you will need to run some kind of PCT...Get some prop, or maybe cyp if you dont want to shoot eod...Run even 300mg/week for 6-8 weeks and you would get the 8-10lbs your looking for if you diet and work out right.

Personally I like primo to...but I only ran it as a bridge with some slin...SOMETIMES alone but only to keep gains...Not really to make them. The test is going to be cheaper by far...And get you the best results for the effort.

[bobby_world]

My question is. If i run the Primo (12 weeks 600 - 800mg) Anavar (8 weeks 60mg ed) Will i gain about 10 pounds of lean mass? How much will I gain off that?

[bobby_world]

Big guns where in canada are you from?