Please help- 1st ever cycle at age 37!

[djhxxx1972]

Hi guys, please can I ask your advice?

To start with, here is more about me. I am 37, 6ft 1, 85kg, body fat 16%. I have been weight training since I was 21 and play tennis/do cardio 4-5 times a week, lift weights 3-4 times a week. I try to eat healthy and have always been really fit, good definition and not bad muscle bulk etc.

I should add that I am also a doctor, and I have extensively researched loads, as well as frightening myself with medical knowledge!

Basically, at 37, I am considering anabolics. I am worried about age-related problems (I am not that old, I know), but I have genetic male pattern baldness, so would like to cling on to what hair I have left. Also I am worried about acne, and gyno etc. So for these reasons, I want to choose a cycle that I can stop quickly and clear the test out of my system rapidly. So I am think of using Test Prop EOD, I can handle the injections! I would like to get more defined, lose body fat and bulk up a bit, but nothing too massive.

What do you think about this:

Week 1-8: Test Prop 300mg/wk (EOD basically)
Week 1-8: Take Nolvadex 10mg/day (as a precaution)
PCT: Week 9-11: Nolvadex 20mg/day and Clomid 50mg/day.. is 3 weeks enough?

I will go to gym 4 times a week, tennis/cardio 4 times a week and eat high protein diet, lots of shakes etc, keep fat down as much as possible.

What do you think? I prefer to not use Sustanon or longer acting Test in case I get problems, I want to stop asap, if that makes sense.

Thanks!

[Matt]

I nice basic cycle looks ok however you need to revise your pct start times, and length.

If your that worried about your hair then imo aas aren't the way to go....

Test is abit on the low side but i know many that have had great success from that dose..

[djhxxx1972]

Well I don't have that much hair anyway, so would not be a problem really.
Do you get hair loss at these doses?
What should I do with PCT please?
Thanks

[djhxxx1972]

I nice basic cycle looks ok however you need to revise your pct start times, and length.

If your that worried about your hair then imo aas aren't the way to go....

Test is abit on the low side but i know many that have had great success from that dose..

Sorry, made an error, PCT will start at week 9, for 3 weeks, is that not good enough?

Thanks for the quick response!

[CoolStroybro]

I am still a newbie , but isn't it better to use AI as a precaution , not Nolva?

And what do you mean keep fats down? You should get enough EFA from unsaturated fat sources. EFA called essential fatty acid. And by essential means your body can't produce it and its essential to keep you alive!!

[djhxxx1972]

I am still a newbie , but isn't it better to use AI as a precaution , not Nolva?

And what do you mean keep fats down? You should get enough EFA from unsaturated fat sources. EFA called essential fatty acid. And by essential means your body can't produce it and its essential to keep you alive!!

Thanks.. do you mean Arimidex? Is that AI? What doses would you recommend? Cheers

[CoolStroybro]

Thanks.. do you mean Arimidex? Is that AI? What doses would you recommend? Cheers

No AI means Aromatase Inhibitor. example Arimidex.

I can't recommend anything , but read this thread to know when to use SERMS and AIs.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848

[djhxxx1972]

No AI means Aromatase Inhibitor. example Arimidex.

I can't recommend anything , but read this thread to know when to use SERMS and AIs.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848

Thanks... good link.

I chose Nolvadex as a precaution, ie. only if I sense gyno etc, so may not use it until the PCT. The problem with AIs, is that it can cause sore joints and zero libido (no way for me!) and because I am only trying low dose test, thought I would not need it...

[Matt]

Imo you wont go wrong with 10mgs of nolva ed throughout your cycle, the nolva will stop the estrogen binding with receptors....

I would also run your pct for 4 weeks...

[djhxxx1972]

Imo you wont go wrong with 10mgs of nolva ed throughout your cycle, the nolva will stop the estrogen binding with receptors....

I would also run your pct for 4 weeks...

Thats great, thanks very much.
Then run Nolva at 20mg with Clomid 50mg ed for 4 weeks?
Thanks for the help!

[ScotchGuard]

Test Prop is good stuff. Like 007 said, I think your dosage is a little on the low side. It's probably ok as your first cycle. You're going to love the results. What you'll notice is that your muscles will get stronger very quickly. Don't go overboard with the weight. It takes longer for your tendons/ligaments to get strong. I know several guys in the gym blowing out shoulders because they just felt invincible on gear.

[djhxxx1972]

Test Prop is good stuff. Like 007 said, I think your dosage is a little on the low side. It's probably ok as your first cycle. You're going to love the results. What you'll notice is that your muscles will get stronger very quickly. Don't go overboard with the weight. It takes longer for your tendons/ligaments to get strong. I know several guys in the gym blowing out shoulders because they just felt invincible on gear.

Thanks very much, my body fat is 17%, so I am worried of getting gyno (altho I have no fat on my chest), I guess the Nolvadex will help with that.

I could maybe increase the dose and reduce the cycle to 7 weeks? I have 25ml of test prop (100mg/ml), will pin EOD.

[jbm]

stick with 8 to 10 weeks... higher than 300mg is better IMO...

[djhxxx1972]

stick with 8 to 10 weeks... higher than 300mg is better IMO...

Thanks... lots of people say this! Must be good advice then
I don't want to get massive gains, just lots of definition, reduce body fat and look more ripped.

[jbm]

Thanks... lots of people say this! Must be good advice then
I don't want to get massive gains, just lots of definition, reduce body fat and look more ripped.

less carbs and more cardio....

[djhxxx1972]

less carbs and more cardio....

Yes I totally agree! I don't know whether my metabolism has changed recently (I am 37), but I play tennis sometimes daily, do loads of cardio, and I try to keep carbs down (but I tend to be starving after working out or tennis!).

I definately will get diet more honed before starting cycle. Thanks

[thenextcutler]

you neeeeeed estrogen to build muscle. put the ai's and serms away until you feel the onset of gyno or unwanted bloating. You won't wake up one day with b1tch tits over night man! you can easily throw nolva in later to stop side effects.

and the only way to save your hair would be something like anavar only. Anavar will help you get a mens health magazine look going, but if you wanna get huge test is the way to go.

[lovbyts]

I nice basic cycle looks ok however you need to revise your pct start times, and length.

If your that worried about your hair then imo aas aren't the way to go....

Test is abit on the low side but i know many that have had great success from that dose..

How the hell do you expect anyone to read anything you say with that avatar?

[djhxxx1972]

you neeeeeed estrogen to build muscle. put the ai's and serms away until you feel the onset of gyno or unwanted bloating. You won't wake up one day with b1tch tits over night man! you can easily throw nolva in later to stop side effects.

and the only way to save your hair would be something like anavar only. Anavar will help you get a mens health magazine look going, but if you wanna get huge test is the way to go.

I've heard about Anavar, but don't you have to take shed loads and do you need PCT?

[thenextcutler]

you can take as low as 40mg ed, I have with great success. For better results take around 80mg ed. it's a generally mild steroid and it's hepatoxicity is low, so taking higher doses isn't as much of a concern as with something like m1t.

Ive heard some people have done it without pct but I'd still say go with a nolva only for a few weeks just to be safe

[bjohnson1968]

forget the anavar just stick with your test cycle and trim your bf a little before you start you will be fine as far as the serm or an ai during cycle its your call but remember prevention is almost always better than trying to fix something after it has happened

[djhxxx1972]

forget the anavar just stick with your test cycle and trim your bf a little before you start you will be fine as far as the serm or an ai during cycle its your call but remember prevention is almost always better than trying to fix something after it has happened

Thanks....

It seems like I have 2 options now:

1. Do the test prop cycle (at top of my post) with 4 weeks PCT.

2. Forget test prop and do Anavar 30-40mg/day instead for 8 weeks, and do a PCT just to be on safe side.

I am not looking for massive gains, just bit more muscle, less fat and more definition. Don't want to get too big.

Not sure which one to do now....

[thenextcutler]

Thanks....

It seems like I have 2 options now:

1. Do the test prop cycle (at top of my post) with 4 weeks PCT.

2. Forget test prop and do Anavar 30-40mg/day instead for 8 weeks, and do a PCT just to be on safe side.

I am not looking for massive gains, just bit more muscle, less fat and more definition. Don't want to get too big.

Not sure which one to do now....

anavar will give you what you are looking for. Test would be overkill. Var also doesn't have near the side effects, most notably for you the hair loss one is nil

do the var for 8 weeks. I guarrantee you'll be satisfied. And what's the worst that could happen? You want to gain more than you did? Take a break THEN jump on test prop

[djhxxx1972]

anavar will give you what you are looking for. Test would be overkill. Var also doesn't have near the side effects, most notably for you the hair loss one is nil

do the var for 8 weeks. I guarrantee you'll be satisfied. And what's the worst that could happen? You want to gain more than you did? Take a break THEN jump on test prop

Yeah I see your point, thanks.

Will the Var kill my libido? Was kind of looking forward to feeling horny with the test prop...

[thenextcutler]

Yeah I see your point, thanks.

Will the Var kill my libido? Was kind of looking forward to feeling horny with the test prop...

the potential exists, very unlikely at 40mg tho.

and on a side note, when I used test only for the first 8 weeks of my last cycle my libido did not change at all, other than an awkward unplanned erection or two!, and my dose was as high as 500mg/week by the end. My libido has always been in the crapper tho, but just sayin for me test didn't change it much.

[thenextcutler]

and to clarify above, if you do use test I wasn't suggesting you reverse gyno when it comes rather than prevent it... gyno comes gradually, and if you felt sensitive nipples/itchy/burning that would be the time to start nolva as opposed to running it all cycle

[djhxxx1972]

OK thanks..

I was tempted to go with test prop for the added benefits (energy, libido, aggression) with some decent gains, fat loss.

At the end of the day, I would prefer to lean up, lose fat and just firm up. Do you think test prop will be too much for me? Esp if I am worried about hair loss and bulking up too much. I definately prefer the Mens Health Magazine look (lean and defined) rather than big and beefy.

Still not too sure what to do now lol :0