at what doseage of test enth start "working?

[chevy355s10]

i was thinking about getting some "test enth" after about 8 months of training. so, i was wondering if 150mg/week would even be worth taking? if not what about 250/week? reason being is..i had a training partner that was pretty weak for most of the time he worked out with me. then, all a udden..he started "closing in" on me. i finally asked him what was up and he said he was taking 150mg/wk and it was really working great.

he then dissapeared and i started working out with a GIANT and he finally got to trust me enough to talk to me about his "supplement" use and i asked him about my buddie's dose..he claimed that my ex-training partner was full of shit and was a

kerry said that the dose would need to be more like 500mg/week before you would start to see anything.

so, now im around people(yall) and figured i could get a better understanding of doseage required for REAL gains.

[Big]

500mg/week is the typically recommended first cycle. I've known guys that made nice gains off as little as 300mg/week, that's near the bottom threshold for average.

[chevy355s10]

when do so called "side affects" start?

[G4R]

Are you still at 17% BF?

[Big]

depends on the individual

[chevy355s10]

Are you still at 17% BF?

yeah...i think the thing my buddie showed me to use was wrong. i personally think its more like 20-23% it was some kinda digital thing. anyway, yes i am still carrying too much fat.lol

[Big]

post a pic, show us the base you're working with

[G4R]

Def need to get that BF% down quite a ways first before running any compound. Have you fixed your diet yet?

Like Big said, a pic would help too.

[chevy355s10]

i will get a couple of pics tomorrow and try to post them. ive gotten my diet under controll except i do cheat once a week.lol but im eating 5 meals a day including 3 shakes. 1 in the morning,one pre-workout, and one at dinner(last meal.).

[chevy355s10]

it might even be more...who knows.lol the only reason i know what my bodyfat was back in the day is cause i had it checked twice per month by a doctor.

[G4R]

i will get a couple of pics tomorrow and try to post them. ive gotten my diet under controll except i do cheat once a week.lol but im eating 5 meals a day including 3 shakes. 1 in the morning,one pre-workout, and one at dinner(last meal.).

Very good. Just remember, try to keep the shakes to a minimum and get as much real food in you as possible.

[chevy355s10]

i mainly eat baked chicken,brown rice, that one popeye veggie(cant spell it),brocolli,green beans,corn, lean steak, almost never eat porkchops,dont EVER eat sweets,i just stopped drinking soda lask week, only drink poweraid,gator aid,and water.

only 1 time do i drink a shake without a meal(might be stupid to even have one after eating,but i do it) and thats between beakfast and my second meal.
my supp's are NO-Xplode,synthia-6 whey protien,Nitrix, and cellmass.

[chevy355s10]

quick question...what should my BF% be before i start a cycle and why?

[G4R]

If you had no issue with waiting, the standard is about 12%. This is because of the increase health risks you can encounter with a higher BF and running steroids. Heart issues are the biggest concern.

[G4R]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=366340

I meant to put this link up too, check it out.

[chevy355s10]

working on uploading pic's...what size should i make them to post on here?

[cybernox]

Just upload any size like atleast 1024 x 768 and atmost 1440 x 900. Go ahead.

[ScotchGuard]

I got acne about week 5 into my first cycle. It SUCKED! I grew all this beautiful muscles but I couldn't take my shirt off because I was covered in acne. I used sustanon 250 on my first cycle. I didn't know better at the time. Now I know a lot more. Test e great for first cycle because if something happens you know exactly what's causing the problem. Mixing compounds like sustanon 250 on the first cycle it's difficult to troubleshoot if there's a problem. My buddy cycled at 23% body fat. He got gyno. He did the exact same cycle as me but I got nothing and he got bad gyno. Forest Gump? Cycling is like a box of chocolates. You never know what sides you're gonna get until you cycle.

[chevy355s10]

damn i look small.lol hold on. im still kinda new to photo bucket.

[chevy355s10]

lets see how this works out.lol

[chevy355s10]

a couple more.....damn im ugly.lol

[chevy355s10]

note, i havent trained in almost 2 years....and damn am i pissed at myself.lol

[chevy355s10]

damn, i know i hurt most peoples eyes....but damn.lol

[anabolic1979]

yea i wouldnt use steroids just keep working out and work on your diet. It would be a big mistake to use them now

[chevy355s10]

what do you think my BF% is? i dont really want to go to the doc but i dont trust the digital readout tester.

[Big]

yeah you need proper diet and training for the next year or so

[Big]

what do you think my BF% is? i dont really want to go to the doc but i dont trust the digital readout tester.

28-30% or more

[chevy355s10]

damn...im a fat bastard.lol

[chevy355s10]

yeah, like i said, ive only been back to training and dieting for 2 weeks. i might as well wait till im 25 till i do any cycle. ive always gained muscle, size, and strength real fast. who knows...maybe i can get my pro card without needing a cycle.lol

[anadroljack]

i agree sorry but your not ready for the juice you need to be at your maximum potential and when you think you just cant get any better then add the juice and watch the gains come in waves of happieness.

[chevy355s10]

i was thinking about getting some "test enth" after about 8 months of training..

well, dude, did you miss this in my first post? i wasnt saying i was gonna start a cycle anytime soon.
i know i do need to wait. i want to wait at least 8 months before i start. maybe even 2 years...hell, maybe five. who knows.

[Big]

you've already got good thickness, once you cut down you will actually look much bigger than you are now. you've got broad shoulders so once you get your waist thin you will have a nice v taper.

[chevy355s10]

thanks man...im glad you say that. sometimes it takes a pro to point out what you "do" have vs just me looking at myself.

[nwjt]

I lost 25 lbs eating 1600 cals per day and didn't do any cardio. Just lifted 3 times.

BTW, in my avatar I am about 26% fat so take it as comparison if you wish. I am still too fat as well and am on another cut to get down to 12%.

[chevy355s10]

jesus...then im more looking at.....like...50%lol
with an intake of only 1600 cal's...didnt you lose a bit of mucle? i figured that would be a tad low to keep your size on...idk, maybe im wrong as a wet fart ;-)

[Ashop]

500mg/week is the typically recommended first cycle. I've known guys that made nice gains off as little as 300mg/week, that's near the bottom threshold for average.

I tend to agree. 500mg per wk is a good range. In my early years I made great gains in my early years at 250mg per wk.

[chevy355s10]

well, yall see what im at now with not lifting a weight in almost 2 years....how long would yall think it would take to get back to my old size?
i mean, im expecting to hit my best size in a month, but im tired of looking so fagile,ya know?

my bet size was 252lbs at 8%BF

a few stats are...
chest 56"
arms 19-1/2"
legs 36"
waist 30-1/2"
and calfs where 18"

[chevy355s10]

i would put up some pic's of when i was that size..but my ex got rid of them when she got rid of me by way of screwing my cousin..(*cough* bitch....who said that?lol).

i was so proud...i had cannon ball shoulders,wide lats, tall thick traps ,and a good V shape.

[nwjt]

jesus...then im more looking at.....like...50%lol
with an intake of only 1600 cal's...didnt you lose a bit of mucle? i figured that would be a tad low to keep your size on...idk, maybe im wrong as a wet fart ;-)

I didn't lose much Lean body mass (LBM). I was in the same boat as you. Not lifting for like 7 years, had 3 kids, got up to 205 lbs.

After 6 months of dieting I lost 25 lbs, but there was some platues in there. Further, I made constant strength gains the whole time.

BTW the diet at first HURTS, but once you get used to it you drop fat off. 3-4 lbs per week at first easy. Just eat a normal viariet of foods, NO SODA pop. I am a sugar freak so that held me back a bit. I ate about 100+ g of protein per day is all.

PS there is a huge difference between 35% and 26% BF.

I owuld say drop some fat then hit the juice and build up without gaining fat. Start today. Use livestrong.com to track calories, VERY important.

[Big]

hard to say how long it will take, the main thing is to stay dedicated, stay consistent, and don't get discouraged.