Training too much!

[Dr Pepper]

Over training is something I think alot of people do. Is it correct that you shouldn't train until fully recovered? I think yes! But how do u know 100% that ur body has recovered? Is just feeling ok good enough? Or is there something u can do to know ur 100% ok to go again?

It's a bit of a messed up question but just something I'm trying to work on...

Thanks guys!

[Dr Pepper]

Come on guys anyone?

[stevey_6t9]

you should not have any of the symptoms such as; tiredness, soreness, elevated HR, fatigue, depression, lack of motivation etc

[RED26]

you should not have any of the symptoms such as; tiredness, soreness, elevated HR, fatigue, depression, lack of motivation etc

+1
better explained impossible

[LeroyB]

Soreness i think its to broad of a term.
I have trained through soreness before and keep progressing esp in strength.
I dont know I am not decided on Over Training yet and ended up in this thread to try and learn more.

[RED26]

Soreness i think its to broad of a term.
I have trained through soreness before and keep progressing esp in strength.
I dont know I am not decided on Over Training yet and ended up in this thread to try and learn more.

If you have muscle soreness then your muscles have still inflammation.
If you have still inflammation that means that some hormones are still doing their work, hormones such as PGF or MGF.
If that hormones are coming into play, that means that you're kind of in the middle of the battle against catabolism and anabolism (where anabolism is supposed to win, if you rested and ate correctly)

If you go to train, you're only promoting the release of a new wave of cortisol (some sort of catabolism reinforcements) and that will surpass your attempts to grow (repaired muscle tissue)

Besides, remember, the body DOESN'T recover or works by "parts" such as "lower body" and "upper body"... some people tell me that it's ok to train something as back after leg day, because legs has nothing to do with back... and that's WRONG... The body recuperation system is a whole system controled by the CNS, and you must be recovered completely before you go and workout again (any muscle group).

[Regular guy]

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/injuries/a/doms.htm

I hope this article is helpful, I listen to my body. Most time I perfer an "active recovery" sometime scaling back on intensity and other push hard, as mentioned earilier seeing gains during this period, but occasionally stretching is all. Sometime "rest and recover" is the road I take if I'm feeling sharp pains around joints: tendon insetion, bursa, enter joint,.... Really you know your body best and are still learning it so try different approachs as no single one will be the best for every situation or maybe for you there is a perfect one. Yes, I do yoga from time to time but usually to get laid

Make sure your diet is on point or that can lead to problems.

[LeroyB]

Where are we going with all this?
Reason I asked is - example - Monday was my heavy chest day.
Today was a back day.
My Chest is sore today still, normal for me after a brutal chest workout.

What do all think a person should do when a group is sore. Like I was today?
A) I should not work out any muscle groups until the soreness is gone (takes 4 - 6 days)
B) Feel free to work out other groups. Just not the sore groups.
C) Working out the chest today very light with a band or something to help rid the soreness is ok.
D) If your chest still hurt the next time it comes up in your split work it anyways.

I tend to think B or C. ALTHOUGH I have done D.
I have had sore legs before for a week and I worked through it.
HAMSTRINGS esp.

Hope I made sense.

[LeroyB]

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/injuries/a/doms.htm

DOMS to = Mission Accomplished...

[RED26]

Where are we going with all this?
Reason I asked is - example - Monday was my heavy chest day.
Today was a back day.
My Chest is sore today still, normal for me after a brutal chest workout.

What do all think a person should do when a group is sore. Like I was today?
A) I should not work out any muscle groups until the soreness is gone (takes 4 - 6 days)

Answer in bold ^^
If you eat, train and rest properly it wouldn't take more than 96hrs after all muscle soreness have disappeared or go unperceived.

I'll give you some quotes from mike mentzer's book heavy duty II, in which I will try to resume where I'm trying to go with "all this":

"Muscle growth is correlated to exercise intensity"
"No amount of additional sets will compensate for not training with maximum intensity"
"Workout sessions means that working sets must be pushed to absolute failure, and such sets must be kept to a minimum"
"Workouts must be brief and infrequent"

[LeroyB]

Answer in bold ^^
If you eat, train and rest properly it wouldn't take more than 96hrs after all muscle soreness have disappeared or go unperceived.

I'll give you some quotes from mike mentzer's book heavy duty II, in which I will try to resume where I'm trying to go with "all this":

"Muscle growth is correlated to exercise intensity"
"No amount of additional sets will compensate for not training with maximum intensity"
"Workout sessions means that working sets must be pushed to absolute failure, and such sets must be kept to a minimum"
"Workouts must be brief and infrequent"

Ok I am mostly strength / sport training right now, but when I was more into BBing I would regularly have doms for almost a week in my quads after leg day.
They would still hurt a LITTLE under a load on leg day the following week.
My Diet was perfect, my sleep patters were good. Trust me on that.
I also saw good gains as my legs are my largest asset as well.
So maybe its different for different people.