gyno question

[odrai124]

I had developed gyno 3 weeks ago and its pretty puffy.I had been using a drug that increases prolactin for a week, and then I used some whey protein that I think was spiked with prohormones. shortly after taking a dose of the protein I started retaining lots of water, and the gyno started developing fast. I have been on 2.5 letro for a week. I also have some nolva around, should I add this to try to kill the gyno?

[The Bear 79]

Ur gona regret that 2.5 of Letro. And where the hell r u getting "PH spiked protein"??? Thats just fvckin ridiculous..............

[DeadlyD]

Ur gona regret that 2.5 of Letro. And where the hell r u getting "PH spiked protein"??? Thats just fvckin ridiculous..............

Take the nolva, might be little late bro! ..... Lol PH spiked!!!

i move heavy things!

[scorpion62]

Do you mean .25 of letro ? are you sure its gyno ?

[odrai124]

I am not postive its gyno, there doesnt seem to be any lumps. what else can it be. why would I regret taking the letro? what else can be done?

[odrai124]

and no I mean 2.5mg of letro....thats what most forums, and guides said to take.

[MacLean]

I am not postive its gyno, there doesnt seem to be any lumps. what else can it be. why would I regret taking the letro? what else can be done?

Letro kills around 98% of Estrogen in the body, Estrogen allows the body to grow, no Estrogen in the body means little gains and it will lower your strength. Get your hands on some Arimidex and dose it at 0.5mg ED until the Gyno subsides.

PH Spiked protein, wtf.

[MacLean]

and no I mean 2.5mg of letro....thats what most forums, and guides said to take.

How often have you taken it at 2.5mg. You'll seriously regret that, I wouldn't even dose it at 0.25mg on cycle. You'll have no Estrogen in your body, which means only little gains. Have you found that your strength has been seriously reduced since on Letro?

[odrai124]

I am not on any kind of cycle. I was taking something recreationally which also builds hgh, I believe, and increases prolactin. then one day I took some whey protein my nipples started to hurt really bad and gettin puffy very fast. I also started retaining lots of water. I had taken most of the bottle of protein before without anything like this ever happening. and this was muscletech whey protein so I really dnt understand what could of happend?I havent noticed any decrease in muscle, nor do I really care if it happends, I just wanna get rif of these. I started taking nolva for a couple days but it wasnt working at all, and I heard it can make things worse so I just got the letro.

[The Bear 79]

I am not on any kind of cycle. I was taking gbl recreationally which also builds hgh, I believe, and increases prolactin. then one day I took some whey protein my nipples started to hurt really bad and gettin puffy very fast. I also started retaining lots of water. I had taken most of the bottle of protein before without anything like this ever happening. and this was muscletech whey protein so I really dnt understand what could of happend?I havent noticed any decrease in muscle, nor do I really care if it happends, I just wanna get rif of these. I started taking nolva for a couple days but it wasnt working at all, and I heard it can make things worse so I just got the letro.

Man, I dont kno wher u educate urself, but I'd stop listening 2 them, the Nolva will work, but u hav 2 giv it mor than a couple days. How much Nolva did u use? Wut experienced sounds like bloat, wut does / did ur diet look like?

[Honkey_Kong]

PH spiked protein? You must've been having the Breakfast of Champions.

Your nipples are probably just sore because you're touching them all the time because they're puffy. That's not gyno, it's just some fat and maybe a little water.

BTW, OP, stop using recreational drugs.

[MacLean]

I am not on any kind of cycle. I was taking gbl recreationally which also builds hgh, I believe, and increases prolactin. then one day I took some whey protein my nipples started to hurt really bad and gettin puffy very fast. I also started retaining lots of water. I had taken most of the bottle of protein before without anything like this ever happening. and this was muscletech whey protein so I really dnt understand what could of happend?I havent noticed any decrease in muscle, nor do I really care if it happends, I just wanna get rif of these. I started taking nolva for a couple days but it wasnt working at all, and I heard it can make things worse so I just got the letro.

Oh, I thought you were on cycle. You won't have got Gyno from Protein powder. They are completely un-related. Prolactin could be the cause of your Gyno, although I'm no expert, I believe it reduces the level of sex hormones and increases growth of prolactin-producing cells. I'd wait for someone who knows of Prolactin to advise you though. In any case, if you think you have Gyno, I'd dose Arimidex at 0.5mg ED until it subsides

[odrai124]

Im not sure but I think i was taking 60 mgs. my diet was okay, but I didnt watch it too much. I have been watching it a little more since this happend.... I eat 3 meals a day, and try to avoid estrogenic foods. so your telling me the nolva can succesfully reverse my gyno?

[MacLean]

60mgs of Arimidex a day? You can't be serious? I'm no expert on diets so I couldn't possibly advise you on that. I think you should go to your doctors and get it checked out, it could be paranoia.

[odrai124]

their def not sore from touching... some times they would be in severe pain. sometimes sore...after taking the letro they dont really hurt anymore, just get a little sore from time to time.

[The Bear 79]

Im not sure but I think i was taking 60 mgs. my diet was okay, but I didnt watch it too much. I have been watching it a little more since this happend.... I eat 3 meals a day, and try to avoid estrogenic foods. so your telling me the nolva can succesfully reverse my gyno?

Dude EVERYTHING ur saying, from ur 1st post to ur last, is just screaming "I'm not ready 4 this lifestyle". Yes, Nolva has been proven 2 reverse Gyno, but I dont think ur dealing with Gyno. AGAIN..................wut does / did ur diet look like?

[odrai124]

what lifestyle? I am not trying to cycle anything. like I said I think I took 60mgs of nolva for 4 days. my diet was not very good. and i pretty much ate whatever. I have began to watch it a little more, and I am avoiding estrogenic foods. what else can it be besides gyno. the breast are very puffy and have been progressively getting bigger from the start. it feels like fat deposits.

[MacLean]

Have you ever taken steroids?

[The Bear 79]

what lifestyle? I am not trying to cycle anything. like I said I think I took 60mgs of nolva for 4 days. my diet was not very good. and i pretty much ate whatever. I have began to watch it a little more, and I am avoiding estrogenic foods. what else can it be besides gyno. the breast are very puffy and have been progressively getting bigger from the start. it feels like fat deposits.

If ur gona pick & choose wut posts u read / pay attn 2, @ least read / pay attn 2 the informative stuff. I told u already, I think its bloat, most likey related 2 ur "not very good" diet. And just cuz ur not cycling, doesn't mean ur not making wut appears 2 b a dangerously half a$$ed attempt @ the health bodybuilders lifestyle. U hav a lot 2 learn bro, that's all I'm sayin.............

[odrai124]

so what should I do about bloating? good diet? why would the bloating cause extreme pain, and such fast growth of the breast? the water retention went away after about a week.

[xelnaga]

so what should I do about bloating? good diet? why would the bloating cause extreme pain, and such fast growth of the breast? the water retention went away after about a week.

This thread was very hard to follow. Bloating can be alleviated by cutting sodium out and drinking a ton of water. You may want to get your hormones checked.

[Orangecrushpilot]

Dude EVERYTHING ur saying, from ur 1st post to ur last, is just screaming "I'm not ready 4 this lifestyle". Yes, Nolva has been proven 2 reverse Gyno, but I dont think ur dealing with Gyno. AGAIN..................wut does / did ur diet look like?

Sorry bro but Nolva will not reverse gyno. It will stop gyno from setting in unless your just really sensitive to it. If he is really getting gyno this early in the game then he is ultra sensitive. Knock down the gyno with the letro and then use the nolva to control the estrogen in the breast tissue. As someone said above get some adex and figure out how much you need to keep the gyno down. Adex is probably the best thing you can use on cycle. Letro is great to initially knock down the gyno, but it is too strong for a small bulking cycle. The problem with the nolva is your body is full of and still producing lots of estrogen. You'll be better off gcontrolling the estrogens.

I apologize if I seem all over the place in this post, I'm very tired lmao

[The Bear 79]

Sorry bro but Nolva will not reverse gyno. It will stop gyno from setting in unless your just really sensitive to it. If he is really getting gyno this early in the game then he is ultra sensitive. Knock down the gyno with the letro and then use the nolva to control the estrogen in the breast tissue. As someone said above get some adex and figure out how much you need to keep the gyno down. Adex is probably the best thing you can use on cycle. Letro is great to initially knock down the gyno, but it is too strong for a small bulking cycle. The problem with the nolva is your body is full of and still producing lots of estrogen. You'll be better off gcontrolling the estrogens.

I apologize if I seem all over the place in this post, I'm very tired lmao

Support ur claim...............(studies not opinions)

[The Bear 79]

A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled multicenter trial involving 107 men receiving bicalutamide ('Casodex') 150 mg/day therapy following radical therapy for prostate cancer assessed tamoxifen ('Nolvadex') 20 mg/day and anastrozole ('Arimidex') 1 mg/day for the prophylaxis and treatment of gynecomastia/breast pain. Tamoxifen, but not anastrozole, significantly reduced the incidence of gynecomastia/breast pain when used prophylactically and therapeutically. Serum testosterone levels increased with tamoxifen relative to placebo but prostate-specific antigen levels declined in all treatment groups.



***Study / Source***
Prevention and management of bicalutamide-induced gynecomastia and breast pain: randomized endocrinologic and clinical studies with tamoxifen and anastrozole.
Saltzstein D, Sieber P, Morris T, Gallo J.
Urology San Antonio Research PA, Pasteur Medical Plaza, San Antonio, Texas, USA.

[Orangecrushpilot]

Jesus bro you called me out on my first post since 2006, trying to act like an AR elder. I didnt come here to argue with you I came here to share 20+ years of training and steroid use. Also dont call me out with the study garbage, newbs do that stuff. Studies are great, but anyone who has been at this for any amount of time knows things dont always work like they do in studies. But in this case I can prove my case with out a study, because the study you posted proves my point. First off learn how to read studies. Reducing the incidence of gyno is not the same as reversing it. Of course it will reduce the incidence as that is what the drug is used for. The drug is used to bind to the estrogen receptor with out activating it there fore the estrogen is not able to activate the receptor in turn causing gynecomastia. So of course it will reduce incidence of gyno. Once gyno is set in tamoxifen will not reverse it. It may reduce it, but once set in, it will be a problem until the gland is removed surgically.

If someone is having serious gyno problems, the best way to reduce it IMHO is to run the lowest possible dose of letro, and then finish off with adex whileon cycle. There are a bunch of studies that show how well adex works for reduction of estrogen. I will look them up later if you want me too.

[The Bear 79]

11 posts in 5 + yrs..................doesn't seem like u came here 2 share anything. Anyway, some of our most knowledgeable & respected members use studies 2 educate & / or prove their point, so I hav 2 disagree that studies r "garbage" & only "newbs" refer 2 them. We aren't talkin bout tryin 2 reverse hardend / set in gyno that needs surgery 2 b removed, were talkin bout reversing the beginning stages of gyno, in which Nolva has been proven very effective in accomplishing. And I'm not tryin 2 act like anything, just cuz I havnt been a member for 917 yrs, doesn't mean I don't get 2 call BS when I c it. Dont b mad, support ur claim, with 20+ yrs of training & steroid use, it shouldn't b a problem.....................

[Orangecrushpilot]

I just did, learn how to read the study you posted. Actually I forgot about this board. I post on a few different boards. Dont be angry cause you have the newbs fooled with minimal knowledge bro. OBTW I can take it, and I'm not mad. I have been a member of the ****** thunderdome for years. I just dont need the shit lmao.

BTW if you cant see that I supported my claim your a fool. Nolva will not reverse gyno. It will reduce early onset gyno, and even reduce gyno that is set in to some level, but even letro run at high doses will not completely reverse gyno.

[The Bear 79]

I just did, learn how to read the study you posted. Actually I forgot about this board. I post on a few different boards. Dont be angry cause you have the newbs fooled with minimal knowledge bro. OBTW I can take it, and I'm not mad. I have been a member of the ****** thunderdome for years. I just dont need the shit lmao.

BTW if you cant see that I supported my claim your a fool. Nolva will not reverse gyno. It will reduce early onset gyno, and even reduce gyno that is set in to some level, but even letro run at high doses will not completely reverse gyno.

Now he changes his story................typical. Isn't reduce the same as reverse? Think about it, if its being reduced, that means its going away rite, the same as reversing it, when u reverse the symptoms that means ur making them go away rite? U haven't supported anything, all u hav done is post ur opinions................which r wrong.

[The Bear 79]

Department of Surgery, The University of Hong Kong, Queen Mary Hospital, Pokfulam.
Abstract

Gynecomastia, unilateral or bilateral, is a common physical finding in normal men. Successful treatment using tamoxifen (antiestrogen) and danazol (antiandrogen) has recently been reported. We compared the efficacy of tamoxifen and danazol in the treatment of gynecomastia. We reviewed the clinical records of patients with gynecomastia presenting to the Department of Surgery, University of Hong Kong, between August 1990 and September 1995. Medical treatment with either tamoxifen (20 mg/d) or danazol (400 mg/d) was offered and continued until a static response was achieved. The treatment response was compared. Sixty-eight patients with gynecomastia were seen in the Breast Clinic. The median age was 39.5 years (range, 13-82), with a median duration of symptoms of 3 months (range, 1-90). The median size was 3 cm (range, 1-7). Twenty-three patients were treated with tamoxifen and 20 with danazol. Complete resolution of the gynecomastia was recorded in 18 patients (78.2%) treated with tamoxifen, whereas only 8 patients (40%) in the danazol group had complete resolution.

[Orangecrushpilot]

Here are the definitions just so were clear. Once again tamoxifen will not reverse gyno. It will reduce it but it is still there. Gyno can only be reversed with surgery, it will eventually come back. I'm donr arguing with you over this mute point, but as many new guys there on this board you need to keep your shit straight when giving advice. Sorry didnt mean to come here after years and years to steal your mojo. You'll recover in time.

Reverse: Going in or turned toward the direction opposite to that previously stated. A complete change of direction or action.

Reduce: Make smaller or less in amount, degree, or size: "the need to reduce costs"; "a reduced risk of coronary disease". Become smaller or less in size, amount, or degree.

[The Bear 79]

Here are the definitions just so were clear. Once again tamoxifen will not reverse gyno. It will reduce it but it is still there. Gyno can only be reversed with surgery, it will eventually come back. I'm donr arguing with you over this mute point, but as many new guys there on this board you need to keep your shit straight when giving advice. Sorry didnt mean to come here after years and years to steal your mojo. You'll recover in time.

Reverse: Going in or turned toward the direction opposite to that previously stated. A complete change of direction or action.

Reduce: Make smaller or less in amount, degree, or size: "the need to reduce costs"; "a reduced risk of coronary disease". Become smaller or less in size, amount, or degree.

U haven't stolen anything, ur nothing mor than a self proclaimed guru, & not even a good 1 @ that. All u hav done is shown ur inability 2 support ur claim with anything mor than incorrect, personal opinions. BTW, I noticed u hav nothing 2 say bout the "complete resolution" in the study I just posted.....................

[Orangecrushpilot]

I bet you have a boner now, but what you fail to realize is the study has nothing to do with steroid induced gyno. This is gyno in is reduced to the point it cant be felt and is not painful. Is it really reversed? NO, absolutely not. Introduce a little dbol, and that so called cured gyno will swell like a hot air balloon every time. Unless tamoxifen is used to reduce the problem once again. Trust me I have seen it happen many many times. And it happens to everyne with previous gyno problems, unless the glands are removed. Men who have puberty induced gyno will always have problems when using steroids. Some may get away with it when using low doses, but bump that dose and pow! Huston we have tits.

Department of Surgery, The University of Hong Kong, Queen Mary Hospital, Pokfulam.
Abstract

Gynecomastia, unilateral or bilateral, is a common physical finding in normal men. Successful treatment using tamoxifen (antiestrogen) and danazol (antiandrogen) has recently been reported. We compared the efficacy of tamoxifen and danazol in the treatment of gynecomastia. We reviewed the clinical records of patients with gynecomastia presenting to the Department of Surgery, University of Hong Kong, between August 1990 and September 1995. Medical treatment with either tamoxifen (20 mg/d) or danazol (400 mg/d) was offered and continued until a static response was achieved. The treatment response was compared. Sixty-eight patients with gynecomastia were seen in the Breast Clinic. The median age was 39.5 years (range, 13-82), with a median duration of symptoms of 3 months (range, 1-90). The median size was 3 cm (range, 1-7). Twenty-three patients were treated with tamoxifen and 20 with danazol. Complete resolution of the gynecomastia was recorded in 18 patients (78.2%) treated with tamoxifen, whereas only 8 patients (40%) in the danazol group had complete resolution.

[The Bear 79]

Huston we have tits.

HA! Thats funny. Any way, u obviously cant support ur claim with anything mor than opinions, & I'm bored now, so I'm out.....................unless u can post a study that supports ur claim.....................

[Orangecrushpilot]

Do you really think studies are the end all? I could care less about your studies bro. There is some relevance to studies for sure, but real life experience holds much more weight. You also have to realize studies are not taking steroid use into consideration, so at times, the studies when referring to us are flawed. I'll see you around, it was a nice debate. Ihaold no hard feelings or ill will toward you my friend. Your a smart fella I can tell.

[cro]

i would stick with the letro,it is the most powerfull ai .hes already got something going on.yes he should of ran adex from the start of cycle. ITS TO LATE FOR ADEX NOW IF YOU HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED GYNO>

Letro kills around 98% of Estrogen in the body, Estrogen allows the body to grow, no Estrogen in the body means little gains and it will lower your strength. Get your hands on some Arimidex and dose it at 0.5mg ED until the Gyno subsides.

PH Spiked protein, wtf.