need some new shoulder exercises....

[ramacher]

Give me some ideas I want to hit front, middle, and back parts of the shoulders...

[auswest]

If you want some new ones, post your old ones

[baseline_9]

No1 needs new exercises... U just need to do the basics right..

An overhead press (BB DB or Machine)

A side lateral Movement (Cable side raise, DB, machine)

A real delt movement (High row, DB reverse flys,reverse machine flys)

And throw a front delt isolation movement in there every other session


Try this routine


Standing BB Press.... Warm up with 3-4 light sets.... 2 sets to failure and beyond using forced reps and eventually push presses

Cable Side laterals.... Get a feel with one light set..... 2 sets to and beyond failure using forced reps and negatives

Bent Over DB row (body parallel to floor, upper arms perpendicular to body).... 2 sets to failure and beyond with a drop set on each

[ramacher]

thanks baseline!!

[t-gunz]

No1 needs new exercises... U just need to do the basics right..

An overhead press (BB DB or Machine)

A side lateral Movement (Cable side raise, DB, machine)

A real delt movement (High row, DB reverse flys,reverse machine flys)

And throw a front delt isolation movement in there every other session


Try this routine


Standing BB Press.... Warm up with 3-4 light sets.... 2 sets to failure and beyond using forced reps and eventually push presses

Cable Side laterals.... Get a feel with one light set..... 2 sets to and beyond failure using forced reps and negatives

Bent Over DB row (body parallel to floor, upper arms perpendicular to body).... 2 sets to failure and beyond with a drop set on each

solid post base

[mirin_serratus]

push press/jerk, more weight=more stress

[FireGuy]

No1 needs new exercises... U just need to do the basics right..

An overhead press (BB DB or Machine)

A side lateral Movement (Cable side raise, DB, machine)

A real delt movement (High row, DB reverse flys,reverse machine flys)

And throw a front delt isolation movement in there every other session


Try this routine


Standing BB Press.... Warm up with 3-4 light sets.... 2 sets to failure and beyond using forced reps and eventually push presses

Cable Side laterals.... Get a feel with one light set..... 2 sets to and beyond failure using forced reps and negatives

Bent Over DB row (body parallel to floor, upper arms perpendicular to body).... 2 sets to failure and beyond with a drop set on each

Yes.

push press/jerk, more weight=more stress

Not necessarrily.

[kelkel]

What Base is telling you is exactly what I do. Intensity of effort is what matters. For the front isolation it's a nice change to just grab a 45lb plate for slow controlled front raises. Burns like hell....

[mirin_serratus]

What Base is telling you is exactly what I do. Intensity of effort is what matters. For the front isolation it's a nice change to just grab a 45lb plate for slow controlled front raises. Burns like hell....

intensity is only relevant in the short run. in time your body will get used to it. only sure way to make progressive gains is to up the weight

[FireGuy]

intensity is only relevant in the short run. in time your body will get used to it. only sure way to make progressive gains is to up the weight

This statement is 100% false. Increasing the intensity and stress upon the muscle is EXACTLY what makes it grow. Adding weight is one of many ways to increase intensity. Your statement is an oxymoron at best. If you use a weight for 5 reps and work your way up to 10 reps the muscle will grow. Drop sets, rest pause, supersets, negatives, change in tempo are all ways you can increase the stress upon a muscle to induce growth and none of them require adding weight. Volume training is a proven method of adding muscle which also does not require adding weight.

Not sure where you get your information but I think you should do some research and/or acquire more real world experience prior to making statements like this.

[kelkel]

^^^^^Thankyou!

[mirin_serratus]

This statement is 100% false. Increasing the intensity and stress upon the muscle is EXACTLY what makes it grow. Adding weight is one of many ways to increase intensity. Your statement is an oxymoron at best. If you use a weight for 5 reps and work your way up to 10 reps the muscle will grow. Drop sets, rest pause, supersets, negatives, change in tempo are all ways you can increase the stress upon a muscle to induce growth and none of them require adding weight. Volume training is a proven method of adding muscle which also does not require adding weight.

Not sure where you get your information but I think you should do some research and/or acquire more real world experience prior to making statements like this.

if you're on gear year round sure do anything you want. volume and weight are not the same as intensity techniques. point is intensity techniques are useful, but your body adapts to them quickly, hence why so many people are constantly looking for new ways to train. but one thing you cannot adapt to is weight. getting stronger inevitably leads to growth as long as you eat enough

[FireGuy]

I am not sure why you are having troubles grasping a basic concept. You are discounting intensity and saying adding weight is the only way to grow. You understand the reason adding weight works is because it increases intensity. Again, you are arguing against yourself. Muscles grow due to progressive overload and increased stress upon them. Adding weight is one of several ways of increasing the stress upon them or in laymens terms, making them work harder. I gave you several examples of other methods which are also very effective methods of inducing muscle growth without adding weight. You need to understand, YOUR MUSCLES HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH WEIGHT THEY ARE LIFTING. They only know how many fibers need to be contracted to accomplish a given task. Adding weight is one way of recruiting more fibers but there are several other methods that are just as effective at accomplishing the same task. While I am an advocate of adding weight when needed it's not the end all when it comes to muscle growth.

You see many people adding muscle year after year even with 20 plus years of training under their belt. This is not because they have gotten stronger every year. If so they would all be benching and squatting 500lbs. Why do you think bodybuilders train differently than powerlifters? If your statement were even remotely true powerlifters would have much larger muscles than bodybuilders. I think we can safely say that's not the case in the vast majority of cases. The sooner you wrap your hands around this and subscribe to science and not broscience the more effective you will be in the gym.

[baseline_9]

if you're on gear year round sure do anything you want. volume and weight are not the same as intensity techniques. point is intensity techniques are useful, but your body adapts to them quickly, hence why so many people are constantly looking for new ways to train. but one thing you cannot adapt to is weight. getting stronger inevitably leads to growth as long as you eat enough

I dont really get your point about adapting to intensity techniques TBH...

Im sorry I began to write out a long post then but got confused again about what your trying to say...


Your correct in saying that adding weight is a good way to grow and continue to increase intensity....Its not the only thing that must increase to keep growth coming.... Think about it, if you add weight and get the same number of reps each week you would think you were growing (and I would tent to agree for the most part)... However if you are saying the more weight you lift the bigger you will be that is completely false, hence Fireguys reference to Powere lifters and BB'ers... If that was the case BB'ers would be much stronger than PL's


Again still confused as to exactly what you are trying to say about intensity techniques

[BBrian]

if you're on gear year round sure do anything you want.

If we were only interested in mild gains this would make perfect sense, but the point of using gear is to maximize gains and surpass plateaus. Therefore there is no better time to implement the most effective training possible than when on gear.

[auslifta]

intensity is only relevant in the short run. in time your body will get used to it. only sure way to make progressive gains is to up the weight

I have added 3cm(about an inch) to my quad circumference naturally over the last 12 months. I have not added weight to my squat, hack squat or hamstring curls. I've changed every 10 weeks. Either by reps(sometimes up to 25 for squats) drop sets(I believe I responded best to this) speed of completed rep(slow controlled for the negative then changed for the positive). All while never increase in actually weight, I just don't feel comfortable adding extra weight on my back atm and utilised other methods of changing the intensity.

[BG]

if you're on gear year round sure do anything you want. volume and weight are not the same as intensity techniques. point is intensity techniques are useful, but your body adapts to them quickly, hence why so many people are constantly looking for new ways to train. but one thing you cannot adapt to is weight. getting stronger inevitably leads to growth as long as you eat enough

A lot wrong and a little right........