Cables vs Db's

[Bullseye Forever]

Is cable lateral and front raises or DB lateral and front raises better to build muscle for your delts?...i use both and like both,but just wated your opinion on which is best for muscle growth.....thanks guys

[redz]

I always mix up cable and dumbell exercises, I figure the more the better when it comes to mixing up exercises.

[Bullseye Forever]

I always mix up cable and dumbell exercises, I figure the more the better when it comes to mixing up exercises.

thats what i noramlly do to,i was just wondering other peoples opinions

[brad1986]

cables will pull resistance the same throughout entire r.o.m where as dumbells resistance actually changes thru your range of motion due gravity (the higher into the range the more resistance). Mixing it up is alwasy a good idea

[_CrossroadS_]

I'm running a routine where that is really the only "shoulder" workout I do. On my heavy day I do dumbells, and light day I do cables. Did this for 8 weeks, then switched them. Also you can do the cables from different angles where they engage the muscle at different points in the ROM

[PK-V]

I use DB's first then burn out on cables

[terraj]

I'm running a routine where that is really the only "shoulder" workout I do. On my heavy day I do dumbells, and light day I do cables. Did this for 8 weeks, then switched them. Also you can do the cables from different angles where they engage the muscle at different points in the ROM

Same here^ I just mix up the reps and hand angles

[Bullseye Forever]

well the main reason i asked this question is that i had shoulder impingement/labrum tear surgery back in jan and i can yet do military presses or heavy db shoulder presses,cause my shoulder still has some pain,and i havent regained all of my strength or my coordination back in my shoulder yet.and i was wanting to know some excercises i could do to keep building muscle in my shoulders

[terraj]

I think you can add mass with raises alone, providing you have movements like rows and chest press movements. I don't press at all anymore....apart from a finishing set of Scott presses for high reps sometimes, these don't stress the shoulder joint, but do burn like a MoFo.

[Bullseye Forever]

I think you can add mass with raises alone, providing you have movements like rows and chest press movements. I don't press at all anymore....apart from a finishing set of Scott presses for high reps sometimes, these don't stress the shoulder joint, but do burn like a MoFo.

thanks man for the info,i will incorporate this in my routine,i miss military and db shoulder presses,but right now my shoulder just isnt stable enough to handle those excercises,plus im a little afraid to try them,after my sugery i sure as hell dont want to mess something else up again

[_CrossroadS_]

thanks man for the info,i will incorporate this in my routine,i miss military and db shoulder presses,but right now my shoulder just isnt stable enough to handle those excercises,plus im a little afraid to try them,after my sugery i sure as hell dont want to mess something else up again

I have not pushed a weight overhead since the beginning of the year, and my shoulders have grown, bench/chest have grown, more striations in my shoulders. Just sayin.

[Bullseye Forever]

I have not pushed a weight overhead since the beginning of the year, and my shoulders have grown, bench/chest have grown, more striations in my shoulders. Just sayin.

thanks for the post man

[Chris J]

I enjoy doing military's but a trainer once told me they were too harsh on the shoulder joints. I have noticed size increase in rear delts from doing bent over rows and bringing the bar up to my lower chest. Slightly wider than shoulder width grip. I usually use the Smith Machine to spare my lower back unnecesary stress. Wide grip seated rows also.

[Bullseye Forever]

I enjoy doing military's but a trainer once told me they were too harsh on the shoulder joints. I have noticed size increase in rear delts from doing bent over rows and bringing the bar up to my lower chest. Slightly wider than shoulder width grip. I usually use the Smith Machine to spare my lower back unnecesary stress. Wide grip seated rows also.

thanks for the tip,im really thinkng about ditching anything overhead presses,because of increase in inury

[tyciol]

Is cable lateral and front raises or DB lateral and front raises better to build muscle for your delts?...i use both and like both,but just wated your opinion on which is best for muscle growth.....thanks guys

I imagine they're both very good. It's more of a comfort thing really.

cables will pull resistance the same throughout entire r.o.m where as dumbells resistance actually changes thru your range of motion due gravity (the higher into the range the more resistance). Mixing it up is alwasy a good idea

Untrue, the resistance in cables is not the same. It changes throughout the motion just as dumbbells do, depending on the angle in relation to the origin of the pulling force (the pulley) just as dumbbells do with the pulling force (the earth).

There are differences between the two, mostly because since the origin is closer with the pulley (the centre of the earth is further away) that angle changes differently as your limbs move, and it's also different depending on where your body stands relative to the pulley.

[Stosh_112]

Right on

[Armykid93]

I'm a DB guy myself

[stpete]

Heavy DB Presses and BB Presses using the Smith Machine are my favorites for strength/growth. I workout alone and the Smith Machine is great for me cause if i begin to fail i simply rack it. Use cables to burn the delts at the end of the workout.

[KeyMastur]

cables will pull resistance the same throughout entire r.o.m where as dumbells resistance actually changes thru your range of motion due gravity (the higher into the range the more resistance). Mixing it up is alwasy a good idea

tell me how gravity changes within 2 feet ROM ???

[KeyMastur]

if you want constant resistance, use chains, or use a band

[Vettester]

I'm running a routine where that is really the only "shoulder" workout I do. On my heavy day I do dumbells, and light day I do cables. Did this for 8 weeks, then switched them. Also you can do the cables from different angles where they engage the muscle at different points in the ROM

I'll give this a shot myself. I've been looking for new ways to mix it up, as things just seem stagnant with the same ol routine.

[KeyMastur]

I'll give this a shot myself. I've been looking for new ways to mix it up, as things just seem stagnant with the same ol routine.

one routine i do front delt raises, the next routine i do lateral - for me never both in the same workout. there have been times on my light day where i did 20 lb alternates (left arm does front raise, right arm does lateral, lift at the same time. then come down to arms by the side. then left arm does lateral raise, right arm does front raise. repeat). more of a burnout / system shocker.

routine 1:
- warmup: squat press twist 20 lb DB's. basically squat position, squat down, when you press up twist to the right and arnold press - all on fluid motion, repeat to the left. 1st set i do all left, then all right, 2nd set i alternate left right left right etc; loosens up the hips, legs, shoulders, fires the abs / obliques a little
- clean with split jerk press (stay above the knee) - usually do a couple of warm-up sets with 135, 10 reps or so, then start going heavy. form is key. if you really explode and shrug this right, you could go home and not do anything else for shoulders and feel sore in the traps
- DB seated front raise - 1 arm at a time, heavy from the start
- HS (hammer strength) shrug - 1 moderate set, no need to "warm-up", then heavy
- Arnold press - 3 working sets.
- DB rear - nothing heavy, form is key

routine 2:
- same warm-up
- upright row with EZ curl bar - 1 or 2 light-moderate weight for warm-up, then heavy
- BB shrug / DB lateral (single arm, standing, grabbing something with free hand and a slight tilt to the body) - superset
- military press, usually standing in the open squat rack, i've used smith machine before; my gym doesn't have a dedicated military press rack
- cable rear delt - once again, nothing heavy, form is key; sometimes i'll superset these with a scap pinch on the HS low row doing them first, then the rear delt)

basically the same muscles are engaged each routine, you can mix up the order. i try to save my body by only doing the clean / jerk every other routine, but that really is my favorite exercise to really engage all the shoulder muscles at once. i feel the over the shoulder presses are a lot of tricep involvement once you get the weight up around ear level, so i that's why i don't do a whole lot of arnold / military presses.

days i do chest i hit my rotator cuff exercises at the end.

always up for new routines.