What the hell is wrong with people?

[Dpyle]

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/ne...US&.lang=en-US

Seriously? They are say one infant and several children are among the victims! Shit like this makes me sick. Dude should be fried immediately.

[DSM4Life]

I know messed up big time.

[Jessgirl]

That's sad! Its a scary world today, and I agree with you this guy should be tortured. Maybe if punishment was harder then sitting in prison these nut jobs might think twice before acting!

[Back In Black]

The BBC in the uk are spending a lot of time in this!

Fvcking mentalist! Torture him for sure!

[Dpyle]

He planned it very well. The latest reports are saying he released tear gas in the theatre so that the people were pretty much forced to stand and become open targets for the gun fire.

Sad part is that with the legal system today it wouldn't surprise me if he is able to get away with some type of insanity defense, and receive a lesser punishment.

[jasc]

Disgusting...

[Honkey_Kong]

He planned it very well. The latest reports are saying he released tear gas in the theatre so that the people were pretty much forced to stand and become open targets for the gun fire.

Sad part is that with the legal system today it wouldn't surprise me if he is able to get away with some type of insanity defense, and receive a lesser punishment.

Well, anybody who'd do this is obviously insane. I just wish we could round up and take out of society these people BEFORE they do stuff like this. There are surely warning signs, why doesn't anyone pick up on it?

[AXx]

I wonder if the theater was posted "No Guns"? This makes me happy that I live in a state and the cities I travel allow me to carry a firearm.

If we were less strick on guns laws allowing the "good" folks to carry them more often, people would think less about doing these things. Especially if they knew there were 20 guns pointing back at them.

Just my 2c.

This is a shame and I too hope he suffers

[gixxerboy1]

^^^ doubt it. If someone is that crazy, the threat isnt going to stop them. and then a bunch of "good" people in a panic with a gun isnt going to help the situation

[warchild]

fd up world and only getting worse everyday

[AXx]

Well I agree and disagree with you Gix

[gixxerboy1]

^^^i've been in places when there was a shooting. There is panic, people running around. I dont think 99% of most civilians are going to stay calm in that situation. I dont want someone else freaking out with a gun. And what are the chance in a crowded place with people running around that a civilian is going to get off a clean shot and not miss and possible hit someone else.

[HitIt]

same chance as with a cop who arrives 15 mins late...

[gixxerboy1]

same chance as with a cop who arrives 15 mins late...

and cops are trained more then a civilian, and how many are going to take a shot across a crowded theater when people are running?

[AXx]

Opinions vary, I'm not gonna be a sheep, I will do everything in my power to protect my family and myself. I too have been around during a shooting, I was unprotected due to me being at the FD.

I simply made a point as to more people should carry and it be more widely known that people are carrying.

I am not a regular joe no trained civilian either!!!

[lestat85]

same chance as with a cop who arrives 15 mins late...

I have to disagree. While I do believe people should be able to defend themselves, police train for high pressure situations and most civilians simply practice their aim. In a high pressure situation, your your body will be under extreme stress and you will not have the training to react properly. You may not be physically able to stay calm enough to react properly or may even fire accidentally. In a panic situation, training will take over without conscious thought, helping a person react better.

I do completely agree that this guy should see far worse punishment, than what I'm sure he will. I also completely believe that people should have the right to defend themselves.

[Times Roman]

That's sad! Its a scary world today, and I agree with you this guy should be tortured. Maybe if punishment was harder then sitting in prison these nut jobs might think twice before acting!

that's the problem. they don't think! I hate to say this, but punishment is not a deterent. this is why i think that we need another solution

[HitIt]

and cops are trained more then a civilian, and how many are going to take a shot across a crowded theater when people are running?

a civ. , trained or not, could have ended it before it got out of hand just as easily as a cop...ask the parents of the murded if they'd like a chance to have it all over again with an armed civ..

did you not see the old man shoot and chase off the internet cafe robbers the other day?

[HitIt]

I have to disagree. While I do believe people should be able to defend themselves, police train for high pressure situations and most civilians simply practice their aim. In a high pressure situation, your your body will be under extreme stress and you will not have the training to react properly. You may not be physically able to stay calm enough to react properly or may even fire accidentally. In a panic situation, training will take over without conscious thought, helping a person react better.

I do completely agree that this guy should see far worse punishment, than what I'm sure he will. I also completely believe that people should have the right to defend themselves.

funny how the 80 year old man at the internet cafe the other day flies in the face of your hypothesis...just sayin

[Get hench Die Trying]

I think where people have gone wrong is allowing so many people to have access to firearms here in the UK not very many people are allowed firearms. shotguns are a different story but are much less lethal. I don't think there are many people that are allowed to have handguns legally.

I think they need stricter rules in the USA about firearms

But that's just my thoughts on the matter

[HitIt]

I think where people have gone wrong is allowing so many people to have access to firearms here in the UK not very many people are allowed firearms. shotguns are a different story but are much less lethal. I don't think there are many people that are allowed to have handguns legally.

I think they need stricter rules in the USA about firearms

But that's just my thoughts on the matter

criminals and the insane don't follow rules

[spywizard]

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Seriously? They are say one infant and several children are among the victims! Shit like this makes me sick. Dude should be fried immediately.

why were the children there after midnight at a violent movie?? license to drive, write a check, vote in some areas..


but anybody can give birth and create a monster, wonder what movies this killer watched at that age??

[spywizard]

I think where people have gone wrong is allowing so many people to have access to firearms here in the UK not very many people are allowed firearms. shotguns are a different story but are much less lethal. I don't think there are many people that are allowed to have handguns legally.

I think they need stricter rules in the USA about firearms

But that's just my thoughts on the matter

we have access to firearms to ensure that our GOV does not shove laws and crap down our throats.. we have to use them to ensure peace in our own lives, that's just a fact, law enforcement is not here for the protection of the general public..

and could you imagine any country trying to over take the usa in a land war?? it'd be a long war..

[Get hench Die Trying]

criminals and the insane don't follow rules

I understand that but if there were not as readily available less people would have them and there would be less chance of somebody doing things like this

[< <Samson> >]

Seriously WTF. . . . . When it comes to unusual crime like this, I say it calls for unusual punishment.


Even then nothing will make it better. . . Seriously what the fvcking fvck?

[Get hench Die Trying]

we have access to firearms to ensure that our GOV does not shove laws and crap down our throats.. we have to use them to ensure peace in our own lives, that's just a fact, law enforcement is not here for the protection of the general public..

and could you imagine any country trying to over take the usa in a land war?? it'd be a long war..

Police over here in the UK don't have guns and we are protected pretty well I think. Out in the USA you can buy a AK47 come on why do you really need a AK for? even if you went out hunting you can do the same thing with a rifle

[< <Samson> >]

[QUOTE=Get hench Die Trying;6082639]why do you really need a AK for?[QUOTE]


Hey man, nothing beats hunting with my ar . . . lol

[Get hench Die Trying]

Yea but don't you think it's over kill lol

[lestat85]

funny how the 80 year old man at the internet cafe the other day flies in the face of your hypothesis...just sayin

I said "most civilians" and was speaking in general. I did not mean to say you were completely wrong. No one knows how they will react until in the situation. There are people with no training, who will naturally react properly and there are very well trained people who may freeze and not be able to react at all.

In this situation, especially reading that tear gas was used before firing, I do not believe that another shooter, especially one who is not only under extreme stress, but also suffering the effects of tear gas would have been the answer. That's just my personal opinion though.

[< <Samson> >]

Yea but don't you think it's over kill lol

Just a bit, but really though. . . The US is kinda built around the more open gun laws. I live in the west, here you can full on buy an Uzi on BackPage. My neighbor sells mad guns too. . . It's pretty much a open market.

[Times Roman]

and cops are trained more then a civilian, and how many are going to take a shot across a crowded theater when people are running?

not everyone will carry, and will be allowed to carry. those that earn the license to carry most likely have some pretty good experience with weapons. there are hundreds of thousands of ex military that do not carry, and I imagine a good percentage of those, if allowed, would carry. I am currently not allowed to carry, along with millions of others here in the various counties that prohibit a CCW.

Here in Cali, you have to qualify, it's either every year or every other year. this means time at the range. My mom gave up her license (she's 70) because she's tired of always qualifying. My dad is 74 and he refuses to let it go. and he's a prettty good marksman with a pistol (ex marine). there is also some kind of written exam. no one is going to be "popping caps" off in a crowded theater. It's not like we are passing out guns like candy to kids.

In switzerland, you are REQUIRED to maintain the government issued weapon and qualify regularly. In fact, I believe every citizen there is part of the militia, and owns a gun (probably a few exceptions like grandma in a wheel chair). Tyranny cannot exist with a well armed population. Only when you make your population vulnerable, like our government is trying to do, does it empower the "ruling elite". Do guns pose problems? You bet! But not owning guns creates even bigger problems. Do you think that if every citizen in the congo owned guns, do you think those rebels would be free to roam around, chopping off heads and arms, and raping the women folk at will?

Don't think this is an extreme example. It is happening today. Right now. This moment.

If a guy is thinking of ripping off a liquor store, and knows for a fact that the clerk has easy access to a 45 magnum, do you think he will rip off THAT store, or think twice and move on to a store that does not have a weapon inside?


Think about it!

[AXx]

a civ. , trained or not, could have ended it before it got out of hand just as easily as a cop...ask the parents of the murded if they'd like a chance to have it all over again with an armed civ..

did you not see the old man shoot and chase off the internet cafe robbers the other day?

yup!!!

[lestat85]

I think where people have gone wrong is allowing so many people to have access to firearms here in the UK not very many people are allowed firearms. shotguns are a different story but are much less lethal. I don't think there are many people that are allowed to have handguns legally.

I think they need stricter rules in the USA about firearms

But that's just my thoughts on the matter

Stricter laws only make it harder for the honest person to get firearms. Criminals don't care that they can't buy them at a store and have an advantage because they know their victims are probably unarmed because it's hard to buy legally.

Shotguns are actually very lethal. They are one of the most powerful close combat weapons.

[gixxerboy1]

a civ. , trained or not, could have ended it before it got out of hand just as easily as a cop...ask the parents of the murded if they'd like a chance to have it all over again with an armed civ..

did you not see the old man shoot and chase off the internet cafe robbers the other day?

I did not see that about the old man.
I try and look at things from all sides. Yes it would be great if someone got off 1 clean shot and killed the shooter. I think the chances of that actually happening in a scared panic are slim.
Now how would families feel if someone tried to stop it opened fire and missed some shots and killed 3 more people?
I dont think there is any good solution to a situation like that. I would rather have my chances of escaping with 1 person shooting then 2 or 3.

[< <Samson> >]

My question still remains: How in the fvck are people that crazy?

[AXx]

not everyone will carry, and will be allowed to carry. those that earn the license to carry most likely have some pretty good experience with weapons. there are hundreds of thousands of ex military that do not carry, and I imagine a good percentage of those, if allowed, would carry. I am currently not allowed to carry, along with millions of others here in the various counties that prohibit a CCW.

Here in Cali, you have to qualify, it's either every year or every other year. this means time at the range. My mom gave up her license (she's 70) because she's tired of always qualifying. My dad is 74 and he refuses to let it go. and he's a prettty good marksman with a pistol (ex marine). there is also some kind of written exam. no one is going to be "popping caps" off in a crowded theater. It's not like we are passing out guns like candy to kids.

In switzerland, you are REQUIRED to maintain the government issued weapon and qualify regularly. In fact, I believe every citizen there is part of the militia, and owns a gun (probably a few exceptions like grandma in a wheel chair). Tyranny cannot exist with a well armed population. Only when you make your population vulnerable, like our government is trying to do, does it empower the "ruling elite". Do guns pose problems? You bet! But not owning guns creates even bigger problems. Do you think that if every citizen in the congo owned guns, do you think those rebels would be free to roam around, chopping off heads and arms, and raping the women folk at will?

Don't think this is an extreme example. It is happening today. Right now. This moment.

If a guy is thinking of ripping off a liquor store, and knows for a fact that the clerk has easy access to a 45 magnum, do you think he will rip off THAT store, or think twice and move on to a store that does not have a weapon inside?


Think about it!

That was my point as well.

Also, criminals do not follow laws, they will get weapons, whether they are legal or not. While more strick gun laws will forbid us to be able to carry, I suppose I am very passionate about this issue. I am a firearms instructor, I teach people to carry and carry safely, and react to such threats.

[lestat85]

why were the children there after midnight at a violent movie?? license to drive, write a check, vote in some areas..

but anybody can give birth and create a monster, wonder what movies this killer watched at that age??

You can't blame movies for people's decisions. The shooter was the one pulling the trigger, not batman. We have a responsibility to teach our children right from wrong, not movie studios. I watched violent movies and tv shows and played violent video game as a kid. I feel no desire to do harm and try to avoid violence. It's the people, not what they watch.

[Times Roman]

Police over here in the UK don't have guns and we are protected pretty well I think. Out in the USA you can buy a AK47 come on why do you really need a AK for? even if you went out hunting you can do the same thing with a rifle

because the bad guys have an ak47 AND 10,000 rounds of ammo!!!

and the reason we all drink coffee instead of tea over here is BECAUSE we bear arms and beat back the british. had we just rolled over and let the King of England run rough shod over us, like he WAS doing, then we'd still be british, and being taxed without being represented.

no weapons = sitting ducks, and that is how the government wants us

this may not apply to you, but it's amazing to see how many people are willing to give up our right to bear arms, and have never spent a single day in the military. These are the types of folks that think freedom is something that is freely given, when in fact, it has to be earned in blood. Freedom is definately NOT FREE!!

These folks that think this way, all i have to say is they are disconnected from reality and have no concept of how things would be if not for people that are willing to lay down their lives to protect that freedom.

[gixxerboy1]

not everyone will carry, and will be allowed to carry. those that earn the license to carry most likely have some pretty good experience with weapons. there are hundreds of thousands of ex military that do not carry, and I imagine a good percentage of those, if allowed, would carry. I am currently not allowed to carry, along with millions of others here in the various counties that prohibit a CCW.

Here in Cali, you have to qualify, it's either every year or every other year. this means time at the range. My mom gave up her license (she's 70) because she's tired of always qualifying. My dad is 74 and he refuses to let it go. and he's a prettty good marksman with a pistol (ex marine). there is also some kind of written exam. no one is going to be "popping caps" off in a crowded theater. It's not like we are passing out guns like candy to kids.

In switzerland, you are REQUIRED to maintain the government issued weapon and qualify regularly. In fact, I believe every citizen there is part of the militia, and owns a gun (probably a few exceptions like grandma in a wheel chair). Tyranny cannot exist with a well armed population. Only when you make your population vulnerable, like our government is trying to do, does it empower the "ruling elite". Do guns pose problems? You bet! But not owning guns creates even bigger problems. Do you think that if every citizen in the congo owned guns, do you think those rebels would be free to roam around, chopping off heads and arms, and raping the women folk at will?

Don't think this is an extreme example. It is happening today. Right now. This moment.

If a guy is thinking of ripping off a liquor store, and knows for a fact that the clerk has easy access to a 45 magnum, do you think he will rip off THAT store, or think twice and move on to a store that does not have a weapon inside?


Think about it!

I think people should be allowed to have them in their home or business for protection. But i think there is a difference between that and taking on to a public place.
I honestly wouldnt have an issue with ex military carrying.
I just think you can only teach so much at a range and a classroom. Not enough experience IMO to allow them to carry in public.

[AXx]

I think people should be allowed to have them in their home or business for protection. But i think there is a difference between that and taking on to a public place.
I honestly wouldnt have an issue with ex military carrying.
I just think you can only teach so much at a range and a classroom. Not enough experience IMO to allow them to carry in public.

It was settled long ago that we have the right to bear arms. Yeah I agree that some people are idiots, and guess what they get drivers license. Car accidents kill more people than guns a yr. I think we should all carry them end of story.

Also Gix a business would be a public place. Thats saying that a business owner has more rights than a non business owner. I carry all the time and you would never know it. I dont flash it around, but I damn sure know how to use it.