What the hell is wrong with people?

[Dpyle]

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/ne...US&.lang=en-US

Seriously? They are say one infant and several children are among the victims! Shit like this makes me sick. Dude should be fried immediately.

[DSM4Life]

I know messed up big time.

[Jessgirl]

That's sad! Its a scary world today, and I agree with you this guy should be tortured. Maybe if punishment was harder then sitting in prison these nut jobs might think twice before acting!

[Times Roman]

That's sad! Its a scary world today, and I agree with you this guy should be tortured. Maybe if punishment was harder then sitting in prison these nut jobs might think twice before acting!

that's the problem. they don't think! I hate to say this, but punishment is not a deterent. this is why i think that we need another solution

[Back In Black]

The BBC in the uk are spending a lot of time in this!

Fvcking mentalist! Torture him for sure!

[Dpyle]

He planned it very well. The latest reports are saying he released tear gas in the theatre so that the people were pretty much forced to stand and become open targets for the gun fire.

Sad part is that with the legal system today it wouldn't surprise me if he is able to get away with some type of insanity defense, and receive a lesser punishment.

[Honkey_Kong]

He planned it very well. The latest reports are saying he released tear gas in the theatre so that the people were pretty much forced to stand and become open targets for the gun fire.

Sad part is that with the legal system today it wouldn't surprise me if he is able to get away with some type of insanity defense, and receive a lesser punishment.

Well, anybody who'd do this is obviously insane. I just wish we could round up and take out of society these people BEFORE they do stuff like this. There are surely warning signs, why doesn't anyone pick up on it?

[jasc]

Disgusting...

[AXx]

I wonder if the theater was posted "No Guns"? This makes me happy that I live in a state and the cities I travel allow me to carry a firearm.

If we were less strick on guns laws allowing the "good" folks to carry them more often, people would think less about doing these things. Especially if they knew there were 20 guns pointing back at them.

Just my 2c.

This is a shame and I too hope he suffers

[gixxerboy1]

^^^ doubt it. If someone is that crazy, the threat isnt going to stop them. and then a bunch of "good" people in a panic with a gun isnt going to help the situation

[MuscleInk]

^^^ doubt it. If someone is that crazy, the threat isnt going to stop them. and then a bunch of "good" people in a panic with a gun isnt going to help the situation

I'm with Gixx on this.

[not so slim]

^^^ doubt it. If someone is that crazy, the threat isnt going to stop them. and then a bunch of "good" people in a panic with a gun isnt going to help the situation

My feelings exactly there would be just more people caught in cross fire

[Stigmata101]

Edited because

[Dpyle]

Edited because

I don't feel you needed to delete your post. I agree to an extent. In the town I grew up in my friends and I were the only 10 "punk rockers" in a small country town. So I know what it's like to be on the outside of the norm. Now we got in a lot of fights but never was shooting the place up even contemplated, and I can't understand why one would do such a thing. I don't believe it's as simple as being an outcast. I feel that is a cop out excuse just like the guys that beat their wives and claim "roid rage" as a defense.

Everyone is looking for something to place the blame on so they put off on movies, tv shows, the music a person listens to. We live in a society where it's always the fault of someone else. There is no responsibility for ones own actions these days. "I shot up the school" it wasn't me it's because the jocks taunted me.

Since this guy is in custody and didn't kill him self I'm actually anxious to hear his reasoning behind this massacre.

[Times Roman]

Edited because

I read your post before you edited the whole thing out. You didn't say anything wrong, and no need to delete what you said. we are all here speaking our mind, and you should be able to speak your mind also, without fear of ridicule by others.

[warchild]

fd up world and only getting worse everyday

[AXx]

Well I agree and disagree with you Gix

[gixxerboy1]

^^^i've been in places when there was a shooting. There is panic, people running around. I dont think 99% of most civilians are going to stay calm in that situation. I dont want someone else freaking out with a gun. And what are the chance in a crowded place with people running around that a civilian is going to get off a clean shot and not miss and possible hit someone else.

[HitIt]

same chance as with a cop who arrives 15 mins late...

[gixxerboy1]

same chance as with a cop who arrives 15 mins late...

and cops are trained more then a civilian, and how many are going to take a shot across a crowded theater when people are running?

[HitIt]

and cops are trained more then a civilian, and how many are going to take a shot across a crowded theater when people are running?

a civ. , trained or not, could have ended it before it got out of hand just as easily as a cop...ask the parents of the murded if they'd like a chance to have it all over again with an armed civ..

did you not see the old man shoot and chase off the internet cafe robbers the other day?

[AXx]

a civ. , trained or not, could have ended it before it got out of hand just as easily as a cop...ask the parents of the murded if they'd like a chance to have it all over again with an armed civ..

did you not see the old man shoot and chase off the internet cafe robbers the other day?

yup!!!

[Flagg]

a civ. , trained or not, could have ended it before it got out of hand just as easily as a cop...ask the parents of the murded if they'd like a chance to have it all over again with an armed civ..

did you not see the old man shoot and chase off the internet cafe robbers the other day?

Yeah, because the last thing a stampeding theatre full of panic stricken people needs, is someone playing cowboy and taking random pot-shots at some nut, invariably hitting civilians. And what happens, the nut then turns his fire on the attacker, more people get caught in the cross fire.

Become a cop or a soldier if you want to do that sort of thing I say.

I swear, some people watch a few Arnie films and think they can apply the stuff of movies to real life..

[AXx]

Yeah, because the last thing a stampeding theatre full of panic stricken people needs, is someone playing cowboy and taking random pot-shots at some nut, invariably hitting civilians. And what happens, the nut then turns his fire on the attacker, more people get caught in the cross fire.

Become a cop or a soldier if you want to do that sort of thing I say.

I swear, some people watch a few Arnie films and think they can apply the stuff of movies to real life..

Cops are not there to babysit and be in our pocket so we can deploy them when the shit hits the fan.

Don't believe me, call the cops and say there is someone breaking into your house and raping my wife!!! See how long it takes them to respond

Then call them back and tell them hey I just killed a guy that was robbing and raping my wife when I got home. Because I wear a gun on my side.

Call me a cowboy, call me gunny sgt 3J's I'm not going to sit idly by while innocent people get abused and KILLED. Not how I was raised and not how I believe. Everyone has their own opinions and this one is mine. There are many like........... Nevermind, lol

[BigBadWolf]

Yeah, because the last thing a stampeding theatre full of panic stricken people needs, is someone playing cowboy and taking random pot-shots at some nut, invariably hitting civilians. And what happens, the nut then turns his fire on the attacker, more people get caught in the cross fire.

Become a cop or a soldier if you want to do that sort of thing I say.

I swear, some people watch a few Arnie films and think they can apply the stuff of movies to real life..

If you wouldn't have the balls to stand up and do something that's cool but there are those that do.

[HitIt]

Yeah, because the last thing a stampeding theatre full of panic stricken people needs, is someone playing cowboy and taking random pot-shots at some nut, invariably hitting civilians. And what happens, the nut then turns his fire on the attacker, more people get caught in the cross fire.

Become a cop or a soldier if you want to do that sort of thing I say.

I swear, some people watch a few Arnie films and think they can apply the stuff of movies to real life..

some lay down and cower, some fight back...i take it, in spite of your punisher like avi, you're the former

[Times Roman]

and cops are trained more then a civilian, and how many are going to take a shot across a crowded theater when people are running?

not everyone will carry, and will be allowed to carry. those that earn the license to carry most likely have some pretty good experience with weapons. there are hundreds of thousands of ex military that do not carry, and I imagine a good percentage of those, if allowed, would carry. I am currently not allowed to carry, along with millions of others here in the various counties that prohibit a CCW.

Here in Cali, you have to qualify, it's either every year or every other year. this means time at the range. My mom gave up her license (she's 70) because she's tired of always qualifying. My dad is 74 and he refuses to let it go. and he's a prettty good marksman with a pistol (ex marine). there is also some kind of written exam. no one is going to be "popping caps" off in a crowded theater. It's not like we are passing out guns like candy to kids.

In switzerland, you are REQUIRED to maintain the government issued weapon and qualify regularly. In fact, I believe every citizen there is part of the militia, and owns a gun (probably a few exceptions like grandma in a wheel chair). Tyranny cannot exist with a well armed population. Only when you make your population vulnerable, like our government is trying to do, does it empower the "ruling elite". Do guns pose problems? You bet! But not owning guns creates even bigger problems. Do you think that if every citizen in the congo owned guns, do you think those rebels would be free to roam around, chopping off heads and arms, and raping the women folk at will?

Don't think this is an extreme example. It is happening today. Right now. This moment.

If a guy is thinking of ripping off a liquor store, and knows for a fact that the clerk has easy access to a 45 magnum, do you think he will rip off THAT store, or think twice and move on to a store that does not have a weapon inside?


Think about it!

[AXx]

not everyone will carry, and will be allowed to carry. those that earn the license to carry most likely have some pretty good experience with weapons. there are hundreds of thousands of ex military that do not carry, and I imagine a good percentage of those, if allowed, would carry. I am currently not allowed to carry, along with millions of others here in the various counties that prohibit a CCW.

Here in Cali, you have to qualify, it's either every year or every other year. this means time at the range. My mom gave up her license (she's 70) because she's tired of always qualifying. My dad is 74 and he refuses to let it go. and he's a prettty good marksman with a pistol (ex marine). there is also some kind of written exam. no one is going to be "popping caps" off in a crowded theater. It's not like we are passing out guns like candy to kids.

In switzerland, you are REQUIRED to maintain the government issued weapon and qualify regularly. In fact, I believe every citizen there is part of the militia, and owns a gun (probably a few exceptions like grandma in a wheel chair). Tyranny cannot exist with a well armed population. Only when you make your population vulnerable, like our government is trying to do, does it empower the "ruling elite". Do guns pose problems? You bet! But not owning guns creates even bigger problems. Do you think that if every citizen in the congo owned guns, do you think those rebels would be free to roam around, chopping off heads and arms, and raping the women folk at will?

Don't think this is an extreme example. It is happening today. Right now. This moment.

If a guy is thinking of ripping off a liquor store, and knows for a fact that the clerk has easy access to a 45 magnum, do you think he will rip off THAT store, or think twice and move on to a store that does not have a weapon inside?


Think about it!

That was my point as well.

Also, criminals do not follow laws, they will get weapons, whether they are legal or not. While more strick gun laws will forbid us to be able to carry, I suppose I am very passionate about this issue. I am a firearms instructor, I teach people to carry and carry safely, and react to such threats.

[gixxerboy1]

not everyone will carry, and will be allowed to carry. those that earn the license to carry most likely have some pretty good experience with weapons. there are hundreds of thousands of ex military that do not carry, and I imagine a good percentage of those, if allowed, would carry. I am currently not allowed to carry, along with millions of others here in the various counties that prohibit a CCW.

Here in Cali, you have to qualify, it's either every year or every other year. this means time at the range. My mom gave up her license (she's 70) because she's tired of always qualifying. My dad is 74 and he refuses to let it go. and he's a prettty good marksman with a pistol (ex marine). there is also some kind of written exam. no one is going to be "popping caps" off in a crowded theater. It's not like we are passing out guns like candy to kids.

In switzerland, you are REQUIRED to maintain the government issued weapon and qualify regularly. In fact, I believe every citizen there is part of the militia, and owns a gun (probably a few exceptions like grandma in a wheel chair). Tyranny cannot exist with a well armed population. Only when you make your population vulnerable, like our government is trying to do, does it empower the "ruling elite". Do guns pose problems? You bet! But not owning guns creates even bigger problems. Do you think that if every citizen in the congo owned guns, do you think those rebels would be free to roam around, chopping off heads and arms, and raping the women folk at will?

Don't think this is an extreme example. It is happening today. Right now. This moment.

If a guy is thinking of ripping off a liquor store, and knows for a fact that the clerk has easy access to a 45 magnum, do you think he will rip off THAT store, or think twice and move on to a store that does not have a weapon inside?


Think about it!

I think people should be allowed to have them in their home or business for protection. But i think there is a difference between that and taking on to a public place.
I honestly wouldnt have an issue with ex military carrying.
I just think you can only teach so much at a range and a classroom. Not enough experience IMO to allow them to carry in public.

[AXx]

I think people should be allowed to have them in their home or business for protection. But i think there is a difference between that and taking on to a public place.
I honestly wouldnt have an issue with ex military carrying.
I just think you can only teach so much at a range and a classroom. Not enough experience IMO to allow them to carry in public.

It was settled long ago that we have the right to bear arms. Yeah I agree that some people are idiots, and guess what they get drivers license. Car accidents kill more people than guns a yr. I think we should all carry them end of story.

Also Gix a business would be a public place. Thats saying that a business owner has more rights than a non business owner. I carry all the time and you would never know it. I dont flash it around, but I damn sure know how to use it.

[Times Roman]

I think people should be allowed to have them in their home or business for protection. But i think there is a difference between that and taking on to a public place.
I honestly wouldnt have an issue with ex military carrying.
I just think you can only teach so much at a range and a classroom. Not enough experience IMO to allow them to carry in public.

so if I wanted to travel, I shouldn't be allowed to carry? there have been times on the harley where i seriously would have like to have a little .357 tucked away some place, just in case.

see this is the difference between myself and others. I do NOT believe the police have the ability to protect my person, nor should it be their responsiblity. I WANT that responsibility reserved only for myself. We have too many police right now as it is, and in order to protect me a reasonable amount of the time, they would need to increase the headcount of the cops. Sorry. I don't want to live in a police state anymore than we already have.

Here is the main issue.

If there was a way to prevent a criminal from carrying a gun, then that would be one thing. But as long as they carry, I want to carry as well. I'm only trying to level the playing field and give my self a reasonable chance.

Here is the ideal.

No weapons in the world. And no need for hunting weapons because our meat comes from the supermarket and not from an animal.


Here is the problem.

In the USA, there is something like 3 or 4 hundred million guns, a good percentage of which are unregistered. As long as there are guns around, there will be bad guys to carry them. Creating laws that prohibit carrying a weapon (like criminals do), only gives the advantage to the criminal, and disadvantage to the citizen.


Now, we can all sit around and pretend that the police are protecting us, until something bad happens to you, or worse, your family. Then you will be regretting not having a gun in the first place.

Everything is always cool until something happens.

[lestat85]

same chance as with a cop who arrives 15 mins late...

I have to disagree. While I do believe people should be able to defend themselves, police train for high pressure situations and most civilians simply practice their aim. In a high pressure situation, your your body will be under extreme stress and you will not have the training to react properly. You may not be physically able to stay calm enough to react properly or may even fire accidentally. In a panic situation, training will take over without conscious thought, helping a person react better.

I do completely agree that this guy should see far worse punishment, than what I'm sure he will. I also completely believe that people should have the right to defend themselves.

[HitIt]

I have to disagree. While I do believe people should be able to defend themselves, police train for high pressure situations and most civilians simply practice their aim. In a high pressure situation, your your body will be under extreme stress and you will not have the training to react properly. You may not be physically able to stay calm enough to react properly or may even fire accidentally. In a panic situation, training will take over without conscious thought, helping a person react better.

I do completely agree that this guy should see far worse punishment, than what I'm sure he will. I also completely believe that people should have the right to defend themselves.

funny how the 80 year old man at the internet cafe the other day flies in the face of your hypothesis...just sayin

[lestat85]

funny how the 80 year old man at the internet cafe the other day flies in the face of your hypothesis...just sayin

I said "most civilians" and was speaking in general. I did not mean to say you were completely wrong. No one knows how they will react until in the situation. There are people with no training, who will naturally react properly and there are very well trained people who may freeze and not be able to react at all.

In this situation, especially reading that tear gas was used before firing, I do not believe that another shooter, especially one who is not only under extreme stress, but also suffering the effects of tear gas would have been the answer. That's just my personal opinion though.

[gixxerboy1]

a civ. , trained or not, could have ended it before it got out of hand just as easily as a cop...ask the parents of the murded if they'd like a chance to have it all over again with an armed civ..

did you not see the old man shoot and chase off the internet cafe robbers the other day?

I did not see that about the old man.
I try and look at things from all sides. Yes it would be great if someone got off 1 clean shot and killed the shooter. I think the chances of that actually happening in a scared panic are slim.
Now how would families feel if someone tried to stop it opened fire and missed some shots and killed 3 more people?
I dont think there is any good solution to a situation like that. I would rather have my chances of escaping with 1 person shooting then 2 or 3.

[AXx]

Opinions vary, I'm not gonna be a sheep, I will do everything in my power to protect my family and myself. I too have been around during a shooting, I was unprotected due to me being at the FD.

I simply made a point as to more people should carry and it be more widely known that people are carrying.

I am not a regular joe no trained civilian either!!!

[Get hench Die Trying]

I think where people have gone wrong is allowing so many people to have access to firearms here in the UK not very many people are allowed firearms. shotguns are a different story but are much less lethal. I don't think there are many people that are allowed to have handguns legally.

I think they need stricter rules in the USA about firearms

But that's just my thoughts on the matter

[HitIt]

I think where people have gone wrong is allowing so many people to have access to firearms here in the UK not very many people are allowed firearms. shotguns are a different story but are much less lethal. I don't think there are many people that are allowed to have handguns legally.

I think they need stricter rules in the USA about firearms

But that's just my thoughts on the matter

criminals and the insane don't follow rules

[Get hench Die Trying]

criminals and the insane don't follow rules

I understand that but if there were not as readily available less people would have them and there would be less chance of somebody doing things like this

[spywizard]

I think where people have gone wrong is allowing so many people to have access to firearms here in the UK not very many people are allowed firearms. shotguns are a different story but are much less lethal. I don't think there are many people that are allowed to have handguns legally.

I think they need stricter rules in the USA about firearms

But that's just my thoughts on the matter

we have access to firearms to ensure that our GOV does not shove laws and crap down our throats.. we have to use them to ensure peace in our own lives, that's just a fact, law enforcement is not here for the protection of the general public..

and could you imagine any country trying to over take the usa in a land war?? it'd be a long war..