First Cycle at 42 yrs old.

[kruno1970]

Hi Everyone.
I would like to get some advice. I’m 42 yrs old and I’m considering going on a cycle or TRT for the first time. The reason being is that I’m starting to feel my age creep up on me. I’m in pretty good shape for my age (5’11” ,170-175lbs, 14% BF – should be 10% BF but can’t get rid of the belly fat) and look 10 years younger but internally is not what my appearance is suggestion. My body is taking too long to recover (tendonitis one month then rotator cuff pain the next then lower back pain, etc.). After every workout I’m achy all over especially after a heavy lift days. Not to mention the libido is not what it used to be.

I would have not even considered steroids but a few gym buddies that are around my age swear by them and they claim to feel 20 yrs younger. Also I'm having a hard time putting on mass anymore. I did a mass program this past winter and put on 20lbs in 6mths but it was 10x harder than it was when I was 30 yrs old. Plus I lost at least 10lbs of those gains within 2 months. That's not bad but now my body is aching due to the stress of the heavy weights.

Overall my diet is very good. I workout 3x a week on weights (at least one week full rest for each muscle group) and cardio 2-3x a week with the occasional yoga class.

I’ve done some research and I have some questions but here’s what I was thinking.
Option 1:
Week 1: Dbol 2 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 2: Dbol 3 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 3: Dbol 4 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 4-5: Dbol 5 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 6: Dbol 4 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 7: Dbol 3 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 8: Dbol 2 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Other Daily Supplements: Lipid Stabil (3 caps), EFA (3caps), Liv 52 (5-6 caps)

Option 2:
Week 1-2: Test C 200mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 3-4: Test C 250mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 5-6: Test C 300mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 7-8: Test C 350mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Other Daily Supplements: Lipid Stabil (3 caps), EFA (3caps), Liv 52 (5-6 caps)

Option 3: TRT
Week 1: Test C 250mg weekly, 3 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 2: Test C 250mg weekly, 4 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 3-6: Test C 250mg weekly, 6 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 7: Test C 250mg weekly, 4 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 8: Test C 250mg weekly, 3 x 40mg Andriol daily

Questions:
1. Which option would you suggest for me? Any alternatives would be welcomed
2. What sort of PCT would you recommend.? (ie, HCG starting week 7 at 2500Ui daily)
3. Should I do less weeks? (ie, 5 or 6 weeks)
4. Would you recommend HGH during option 3?

Concerns:
1. Starting to see thinning of my hair. Will steroids speed this up? If so, is there is way around it.
2. Can I just do a cycle or two or is this a lifetime commitment once I start?

Goals:
1. Gain about 10 lbs of lean muscle (approx. 180-185lbs) and be 10% BF like I used to be 10-20 yrs ago.
2. Not feel the aches and pain during recovery.
3. Have good energy during workouts.
4. Increase libido.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you!

UPDATED:

Based on the suggestions and posts this forum here's what I believe I will be doing for my first cycle but I have questions about the details.

Week 1-12: Test c or e at 500mg (2 x 250mg; M and Th); AI (Aromasin or Adex at .25ml or .5ml EOD); HCG at 1000Ui daily
PCT: starting 14day after last injections, Novaldex/Clomid at 100mg/20mg for 6 weeks; HCG 500Ui daily for 3 weeks; AI .25ml daily for 5 weeks; Vit E 1000Ui daily for 3 weeks.

1. Are the values I have above correct in terms of mg's, ml's and Ui's?
2. When should I be injecting HCG? Day before test injection or day of?
3. Test C or E, is one recommended over the other?

Please let me know if there are any adjustment I should make before I get started.

Thank you.

[austinite]

If you're on TRT you don't need a PCT.

HCG during cycle.

Dont run dbol for your 1st cycle.

Just run test e at 500mg ew, get an AI like adex and use at .25 EOD (from 1st pin). 12 weeks. PCT nolva/clomid (if not on trt), start 14 days after last pin.

Size comes from food. Use the nutrition section to get critique on your diet. Juicing without a decent diet will result in little to no results. 14% BF is decent to start a cycle.

You can do a single cycle or 2. But I doubt you will

Good luck.

[stpete]

Welcome...Are those suggestions from your friends? They all stink my friend. Do you know what TRT means, or am i reading this wrong?

Back to the drawing board for you.

And you came to the right place.

[gearbox]

I agree with above. And you do not run a serm while on cycle bro. You run an ai to keep estro in check. A serm is for pct but as said about if your on trt you will not be needing pct.
A test only cycle at 500 will give you the goals your desire, with a proper diet of course

[Judah]

Hi Everyone.
I would like to get some advice. I’m 42 yrs old and I’m considering going on a cycle or TRT for the first time. The reason being is that I’m starting to feel my age creep up on me. I’m in pretty good shape for my age (5’11” ,170-175lbs, 14% BF – should be 10% BF but can’t get rid of the belly fat) and look 10 years younger but internally is not what my appearance is suggestion. My body is taking too long to recover (tendonitis one month then rotator cuff pain the next then lower back pain, etc.). After every workout I’m achy all over especially after a heavy lift days. Not to mention the libido is not what it used to be.

I would have not even considered steroids but a few gym buddies that are around my age swear by them and they claim to feel 20 yrs younger. Also I'm having a hard time putting on mass anymore. I did a mass program this past winter and put on 20lbs in 6mths but it was 10x harder than it was when I was 30 yrs old. Plus I lost at least 10lbs of those gains within 2 months. That's not bad but now my body is aching due to the stress of the heavy weights.

Overall my diet is very good. I workout 3x a week on weights (at least one week full rest for each muscle group) and cardio 2-3x a week with the occasional yoga class.

I’ve done some research and I have some questions but here’s what I was thinking.
Option 1:
Week 1: Dbol 2 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 2: Dbol 3 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 3: Dbol 4 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 4-5: Dbol 5 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 6: Dbol 4 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 7: Dbol 3 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 8: Dbol 2 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Other Daily Supplements: Lipid Stabil (3 caps), EFA (3caps), Liv 52 (5-6 caps)

Option 2:
Week 1-2: Test C 200mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 3-4: Test C 250mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 5-6: Test C 300mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 7-8: Test C 350mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Other Daily Supplements: Lipid Stabil (3 caps), EFA (3caps), Liv 52 (5-6 caps)

Option 3: TRT
Week 1: Test C 250mg weekly, 3 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 2: Test C 250mg weekly, 4 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 3-6: Test C 250mg weekly, 6 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 7: Test C 250mg weekly, 4 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 8: Test C 250mg weekly, 3 x 40mg Andriol daily

Questions:
1. Which option would you suggest for me? Any alternatives would be welcomed
2. What sort of PCT would you recommend.? (ie, HCG starting week 7 at 2500Ui daily)
3. Should I do less weeks? (ie, 5 or 6 weeks)
4. Would you recommend HGH during option 3?

Concerns:
1. Starting to see thinning of my hair. Will steroids speed this up? If so, is there is way around it.
2. Can I just do a cycle or two or is this a lifetime commitment once I start?

Goals:
1. Gain about 10 lbs of lean muscle (approx. 180-185lbs) and be 10% BF like I used to be 10-20 yrs ago.
2. Not feel the aches and pain during recovery.
3. Have good energy during workouts.
4. Increase libido.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you!

Austinite advice is spot on.

No Dbol.

Go do some research on Deca. Don't do it on your first cycle, but if all goes well with test, you can do another cycle of test stacked with decca. Reason I mention it is everyone reports back about how good all their joints feel while on it.

Also I would stop lifting heavy. Your not old, but at your age I would suggesting toning down the heavy stuff and give your joints a break. Listen to your body.

VERY IMPORTANT:If you cant lift heavy without feeling the "age" pain, DO NOT do juice so you can lift heavy. You will destroy your body. Use it for recovery, use it for adding muscle gains, use for lowering body fat.

Hairless can be helped and/or prevented by taking propecia and using Ketoconazole shampoo.

[kruno1970]

I realize I need some more education. These are just cycle suggestions I came up with based on some research. TRT is one of my option suggestion just not sure if it's for me. That's why I'm asking for advice and the right course of action. By sem do you mean the HGH. If so, the HGH question was based on something I read in the Layman's guide to Steroids by Mick Hart. I thought the Novaldex was to keep the estro in check.

[Judah]

Hi Everyone.
I would like to get some advice. I’m 42 yrs old and I’m considering going on a cycle or TRT for the first time. The reason being is that I’m starting to feel my age creep up on me. I’m in pretty good shape for my age (5’11” ,170-175lbs, 14% BF – should be 10% BF but can’t get rid of the belly fat) and look 10 years younger but internally is not what my appearance is suggestion. My body is taking too long to recover (tendonitis one month then rotator cuff pain the next then lower back pain, etc.). After every workout I’m achy all over especially after a heavy lift days. Not to mention the libido is not what it used to be.

I would have not even considered steroids but a few gym buddies that are around my age swear by them and they claim to feel 20 yrs younger. Also I'm having a hard time putting on mass anymore. I did a mass program this past winter and put on 20lbs in 6mths but it was 10x harder than it was when I was 30 yrs old. Plus I lost at least 10lbs of those gains within 2 months. That's not bad but now my body is aching due to the stress of the heavy weights.

Overall my diet is very good. I workout 3x a week on weights (at least one week full rest for each muscle group) and cardio 2-3x a week with the occasional yoga class.

I’ve done some research and I have some questions but here’s what I was thinking.
Option 1:
Week 1: Dbol 2 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 2: Dbol 3 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 3: Dbol 4 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 4-5: Dbol 5 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 6: Dbol 4 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 7: Dbol 3 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 8: Dbol 2 x 5mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Other Daily Supplements: Lipid Stabil (3 caps), EFA (3caps), Liv 52 (5-6 caps)

Option 2:
Week 1-2: Test C 200mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 3-4: Test C 250mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 5-6: Test C 300mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Week 7-8: Test C 350mg daily, Novaldex/Tamoxifen 1 x 10-20mg daily
Other Daily Supplements: Lipid Stabil (3 caps), EFA (3caps), Liv 52 (5-6 caps)

Option 3: TRT
Week 1: Test C 250mg weekly, 3 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 2: Test C 250mg weekly, 4 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 3-6: Test C 250mg weekly, 6 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 7: Test C 250mg weekly, 4 x 40mg Andriol daily
Week 8: Test C 250mg weekly, 3 x 40mg Andriol daily

Questions:
1. Which option would you suggest for me? Any alternatives would be welcomed
2. What sort of PCT would you recommend.? (ie, HCG starting week 7 at 2500Ui daily)
3. Should I do less weeks? (ie, 5 or 6 weeks)
4. Would you recommend HGH during option 3?

Concerns:
1. Starting to see thinning of my hair. Will steroids speed this up? If so, is there is way around it.
2. Can I just do a cycle or two or is this a lifetime commitment once I start?

Goals:
1. Gain about 10 lbs of lean muscle (approx. 180-185lbs) and be 10% BF like I used to be 10-20 yrs ago.
2. Not feel the aches and pain during recovery.
3. Have good energy during workouts.
4. Increase libido.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you!

You stepped up to the plate, you swung, and you missed haha.

Welcome my friend!

Austinite advice is spot on.

No Dbol. You don't run Nolva on, you run it Post. Run hcg and Armidex on. Clomid and Nolva post.

Go do some research on Deca. Don't do it on your first cycle, but if all goes well with test, you can do another cycle of test stacked with decca. Reason I mention it is everyone reports back about how good all their joints feel while on it.

Also I would stop lifting heavy. Your not old, but at your age I would suggesting toning down the heavy stuff and give your joints a break. Listen to your body.

VERY IMPORTANT:If you cant lift heavy without feeling the "age" pain, DO NOT do juice so you can lift heavy. You will destroy your body. Use it for recovery, use it for adding muscle gains, use for lowering body fat.

Hairless can be helped and/or prevented by taking propecia and using Ketoconazole shampoo.

[Judah]

I realize I need some more education. These are just cycle suggestions I came up with based on some research. TRT is one of my option suggestion just not sure if it's for me. That's why I'm asking for advice and the right course of action. By sem do you mean the HGH. If so, the HGH question was based on something I read in the Layman's guide to Steroids by Mick Hart. I thought the Novaldex was to keep the estro in check.

Nolva is NOT an anti-estro. It competes for the receptor site in breast tissue, which is why we use it in PCT. Essentially blocking the receptors so estro can't enter. This estro is still there, just not in the receptor site.

[austinite]

I realize I need some more education. These are just cycle suggestions I came up with based on some research. TRT is one of my option suggestion just not sure if it's for me. That's why I'm asking for advice and the right course of action. By sem do you mean the HGH. If so, the HGH question was based on something I read in the Layman's guide to Steroids by Mick Hart. I thought the Novaldex was to keep the estro in check.

TRT is Testosterone Replacement Therapy prescribed by your doctor. I think you are referring to TRT-like dosages. You can get on HRT if you want, just walk into a longevity clinic and ask for it.

AI for on-cycle, not Nolva. Arimadex or Anastrozole which you can also get from your doc if you get on therapy.

[stpete]

I realize I need some more education. These are just cycle suggestions I came up with based on some research. TRT is one of my option suggestion just not sure if it's for me. That's why I'm asking for advice and the right course of action. By sem do you mean the HGH. If so, the HGH question was based on something I read in the Layman's guide to Steroids by Mick Hart. I thought the Novaldex was to keep the estro in check.

Nothing wrong w/doing your research. But unfortunately you are reading old school stuff. HGH and AI is for "during" cycle. Nolva is best used during PCT.

You will learn more if you read the stickies above, then go to the PCT Section to complete your reading.

[kruno1970]

Thanks for the cycle suggestions. This is probably the way I will go. Interesting that a lot research outside this forum is very old school. Glad I join and asked questions.

Why do you think I will do more than 1 or two cycles? Will I eventually go back to my aches and pains. If so, would a cycle or two a year be a good permanent solution. I'm concerned about my heart as I was born which a hole in it (close up around 10 yrs old). Not sure if steroids will cause be problems down the road.

As a side note to the above heart comment. I've played sports all my life and worked out and never had a heart issue.

If you're on TRT you don't need a PCT.

HCG during cycle.

Dont run dbol for your 1st cycle.

Just run test e at 500mg ew, get an AI like adex and use at .25 EOD (from 1st pin). 12 weeks. PCT nolva/clomid (if not on trt), start 14 days after last pin.

Size comes from food. Use the nutrition section to get critique on your diet. Juicing without a decent diet will result in little to no results. 14% BF is decent to start a cycle.

You can do a single cycle or 2. But I doubt you will

Good luck.

[austinite]

Thanks for the cycle suggestions. This is probably the way I will go. Interesting that a lot research outside this forum is very old school. Glad I join and asked questions.

Why do you think I will do more than 1 or two cycles? Will I eventually go back to my aches and pains. If so, would a cycle or two a year be a good permanent solution. I'm concerned about my heart as I was born which a hole in it (close up around 10 yrs old). Not sure if steroids will cause be problems down the road.

As a side note to the above heart comment. I've played sports all my life and worked out and never had a heart issue.

Because that's what we all said at one point.

[kruno1970]

Thanks for the advice so far. I realize the first thing I need to do is get BW before I do anything (which I already have a dr requisition for). At the moment I'm on Tribulus and ZMA. Should go off these? And if so, how long should i wait until I get my BW done?

One a side note, I like the sound of Anavar for first time even though I will probably go with Test E first. With Var should you still use an AI and HCG while cycle?

[kruno1970]

bump

[SK1Viking]

Thanks for the advice so far. I realize the first thing I need to do is get BW before I do anything (which I already have a dr requisition for). At the moment I'm on Tribulus and ZMA. Should go off these? And if so, how long should i wait until I get my BW done?

One a side note, I like the sound of Anavar for first time even though I will probably go with Test E first. With Var should you still use an AI and HCG while cycle?

Keep it simple this time with Test E or C. Always have an AI on hand at least. Hcg is good when cycling on and off.

[snowman]

Thanks for the cycle suggestions. This is probably the way I will go. Interesting that a lot research outside this forum is very old school. Glad I join and asked questions.

Why do you think I will do more than 1 or two cycles? Will I eventually go back to my aches and pains. If so, would a cycle or two a year be a good permanent solution. I'm concerned about my heart as I was born which a hole in it (close up around 10 yrs old). Not sure if steroids will cause be problems down the road.

As a side note to the above heart comment. I've played sports all my life and worked out and never had a heart issue.

YOU will do more then one cycle, because you will find out, once you use test and feel like 20 again ( in every expect :-) you want more...as for the hole in your heart, i also have one, and cycle ( BUT thats ME).
the advise people are giving you on here is good,so take it... IF you not taking multiple vitamins and enough omega 3, then you should start, its good for the heart.......

[SK1Viking]

I'm concerned about my heart as I was born which a hole in it (close up around 10 yrs old). Not sure if steroids will cause be problems down the road.

I've played sports all my life and worked out and never had a heart issue.

This bothers me a little. We can give out advice, with the understanding that everyone is healthy. Hopefully being completely honest with what Meds they're

currently taking. _not saying you are_ but i think you should see a professional.

-My opinion

[John Andrew]

Take either test c or test e 500 mgs. and do your Pct as suggested. Learn more about Mick Hart, He finished up using as he states " cupfuls of Ecstasy" daily. He advised based on the fact he tried everything himself!

I like Mick but would not wish to follow his course of action, it near killed him!

[kruno1970]

No med for heart. Never needed them as I have been perfectly healthy all my life. Even diagnosed with the hole at birth (albeit a very, very small hole) I never showed any symptoms of heart issues. rhr 55-60 bpm, bp 115 over 75.

It's always better to be safe than sorry and ask. Thanks for the concern and advice.

[kruno1970]

Based on the suggestions and posts this forum here's what I believe I will be doing for my first cycle but I have questions about the details.

Week 1-12: Test c or e at 500mg (2 x 250mg; M and Th); AI (Aromasin or Adex at .25ml or .5ml EOD); HCG at 1000Ui daily
PCT: starting 14day after last injections, Novaldex/Clomid at 100mg/20mg for 6 weeks; HCG 500Ui daily for 3 weeks; AI .25ml daily for 5 weeks; Vit E 1000Ui daily for 3 weeks.

1. Are the values I have above correct in terms of mg's, ml's and Ui's?
2. When should I be injecting HCG? Day before test injection or day of?
3. Test C or E, is one recommended over the other?

Please let me know if there are any adjustment I should make before I get started.

Thank you.

[kruno1970]

bump

[snowman]

based on the suggestions and posts this forum here's what i believe i will be doing for my first cycle but i have questions about the details.

Week 1-12: Test c or e at 500mg (2 x 250mg; m and th); ai (aromasin or adex at .25ml or .5ml eod) this is fine; hcg at 1000ui daily are you planing on doing 1000iu of hcg a day for 12 weeks? If so its to much in my opinion , you should be fine with 500 iu of hcg eod or 3 times a week
pct: Starting 14day after last injections(o.k.), novaldex/clomid at 100mg/20mg for 6 weeks; hcg 500ui daily for 3 weeks; ai .25ml daily for 5 weeks; vit e 1000ui daily for 3 weeks.
for pct, i would go with clomid on the first day @ 300mg, second day @200mg ,third day 100mg, remaining of the weeks 50mg a day for a total of 6 weeks.
Nolvadex 40 mg for the first week, and 20 mg for the remaining of the weeks.... I dont think you will need hcg at the end , but if you still want to go ahead and be safer, then you can use 2500 iu on the first day\ week you start your pct, then 5days later 1500iu and 5 days after that, another 1500iu ( total of 3 injections in 15 day period )
i would also use proviron for the entire 12 weeks with your test @ at least 25mg a day... 50mg would be better, to free up more test in your body.... I love proviron with my test cycles.

1. Are the values i have above correct in terms of mg's, ml's and ui's?
2. When should i be injecting hcg? Day before test injection or day of? it does not matter
3. Test c or e, is one recommended over the other? no, they are almost the same... Test c stays a little longer in your body over test e, nothing you will notice, they are both long esters... Actually most people inject 2 times a week like you are doing ( monday and thursday), but if you really want to, you can do 500mg of test e or c once per week, just put 2 cc in the syringe on monday and be done and over with...since you using test e or c, your blood level will be stable any ways, its not like you using test p ; there you need to inject more often, to keep your blood levels stable.

please let me know if there are any adjustment i should make before i get started.

Thank you.

in red