Squats Deadlifts and the lower back

[cherrydrpepper]

Simple question. If you do squats and deadlifts and the next day your lower back is sore to a point its not a good sore necessarily, would the best way to build up the strength in that region be the Roman Chair and Back Extension machine?

Roman Chair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjCdQtx38Xk

Back Extension Machine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuJoW96gBbg

These make sense to me but I have seen some accomplished lifters who don't do either of these (but complain of lower back pain)

[snowman]

i actually , do those everyday ( roman chair) before i start any workout, just to warm up my lower back, then after my work out ( whatever im working that day) i do ab crunch's.... on back day still do the roman chair with added weight close to my chest... im a true believer, that if your torso is strong, you will have less chance of injury and you can lift more weight... i used to feel like you feel now, cause i never workout my lower back, but now i feel great, and lower back is strong....like i said, its my first exercise every single day as soon as i enter the gym

[Turkish Juicer]

Your lower back is sore to a very uncomfortable point the day and the next day following your heavy squat and deadlift sessions not because your lower back is lacking strength, but because the muscle fibers in that region have been submitted to way too much pressure.

Those accomplished lifters don't do either Roman Chair and/or Back Extension Machine, simply because they are well aware of the fact that their lower-back soreness has nothing to do with having avoided those isometric exercises.

If an accomplished lifter's lower back is weak from the start, then he would never be able to deadlift several reps and sets with 400lbs+ in the first place.

Lower back massages from certified massage therapists and stretching in between sets, post-workout and following days along with mellow cardio sessions on the threadmill are the key here.

You can do all the roman chair and hyper-extention exercises in this world yet as long as muscle fibers in your lower-back are not stretched and something either passively (massage) or actively (cardio) performed, you will be uncomfortable sore for several days...

[louie2400]

I think it also depends if you are doing a low or high bar back squat. I know when i do low bars my lower back tends to get more sore due to the increase lordodic curve of my lumbar spine. With that said squats and deadlifts are my favorite lifts. I like the added low back soreness, I see it as getting the most band for my buck with those exercises, as long as it is a soreness pain and not a sharp, throbbing, tingling pain.

[MotoLifter]

I broke my back several years ago, and attribute squats and deadlifts to having a virtually pain free lower back today. I do neither if those iso movements, but did have to start at the very beginning when coming back from the injury. DLing with 140lbs is a humbling experience but working up slowly and methodically has helped me tremendously. I feel like my back is stonger now than it was before the injury but it did take several years to get back to even where i was never mind beyond it. I a a HUGE proponent of proper form when using those lifts even if it halves the weight used. I wouldn't do the lifts anymore if I couldnt keep a relatively strict form.