Winny Only Question

[stillernation]

Before I get slammed with this is a terrible idea, let me say I KNOW. Some dudes at my gym back home, younger guys, all starter winny only cycles, no pct or hcg. Im not real familiar with orals other than theyre hard to keep your test levels stable causing sides, harsh on the liver, and and still shut down natty test. I haven't talked to my one buddy who did this cycle, but his friend told me he's got mad dry skin, and mood swings like a teenage girl. I was just curious if he were to have taken hcg during the cycle, followed by proper PCT, are these sides avoidable? how dangerous is this for him, because I was shocked that he would do an oral only. He supposivly got solid gains (once again haven't seen him so cant attest.) But basically if someone could let me know if there was a possible way to run oral only without being an idiot? And no this isn't me haha, literally old friend at the gym.

[MickeyKnox]

Before I get slammed with this is a terrible idea, let me say I KNOW. Some dudes at my gym back home, younger guys, all starter winny only cycles, no pct or hcg. Im not real familiar with orals other than theyre hard to keep your test levels stable causing sides, harsh on the liver, and and still shut down natty test. I haven't talked to my one buddy who did this cycle, but his friend told me he's got mad dry skin, and mood swings like a teenage girl. I was just curious if he were to have taken hcg during the cycle, followed by proper PCT, are these sides avoidable? how dangerous is this for him, because I was shocked that he would do an oral only. He supposivly got solid gains (once again haven't seen him so cant attest.) But basically if someone could let me know if there was a possible way to run oral only without being an idiot? And no this isn't me haha, literally old friend at the gym.

No, there is not.

Test only first cycle bro. And if you're thinking about using an oral, then its not recommended that you do this without at least a small testosterone base to replace your natural test production. Otherwise you could end up crying like a little girl and experiencing mad erectile dysfunction, and a host of other crazy sides that will have a very difficult time accessing and controlling.

[JohnnnyBlazzze]

Before I get slammed with this is a terrible idea, let me say I KNOW. Some dudes at my gym back home, younger guys, all starter winny only cycles, no pct or hcg. Im not real familiar with orals other than theyre hard to keep your test levels stable causing sides, harsh on the liver, and and still shut down natty test. I haven't talked to my one buddy who did this cycle, but his friend told me he's got mad dry skin, and mood swings like a teenage girl. I was just curious if he were to have taken hcg during the cycle, followed by proper PCT, are these sides avoidable? how dangerous is this for him, because I was shocked that he would do an oral only. He supposivly got solid gains (once again haven't seen him so cant attest.) But basically if someone could let me know if there was a possible way to run oral only without being an idiot? And no this isn't me haha, literally old friend at the gym.

No, there is no GOOD way to do an oral only.

Only people that do oral only are those who are afraid to pin or under the age of 21. If you are in either of these categories you're not ready for AAS anyways.

[Bio-Active]

No, there is no GOOD way to do an oral only.

Only people that do oral only are those who are afraid to pin or under the age of 21. If you are in either of these categories you're not ready for AAS anyways.

^^^^^ yes

[austinite]

Nope.

[Times Roman]

No, there is not.

Test only first cycle bro. And if you're thinking about using an oral, then its not recommended that you do this without at least a small testosterone base to replace your natural test production. Otherwise you could end up crying like a little girl and experiencing mad erectile dysfunction, and a host of other crazy sides that will have a very difficult time accessing and controlling.

No, there is no GOOD way to do an oral only.

Only people that do oral only are those who are afraid to pin or under the age of 21. If you are in either of these categories you're not ready for AAS anyways.

We know way too much today to ever recommend an oral only cycle, or any cycle that excludes testosterone. Back a few decades ago, we didn't know as much, so with ignorance people proceeded.

but to say, "Arnold took orals only" or " Arnold didn't stack with test" and he turned out ok is abouut the same as what they used to say about cocaine, that it was harmless, until people started dying.

So we have better knowledge today, and better understanding of what AAS does to our bodies, in the short and in the long term.

Why would you go against 30 years of knowledge, especially when you are on THIS board and all the information is right at your fingertips.

Agree with both these knowledgable gentlemen.

Good luck!

---Roman

[stillernation]

I agree, I've never read anything good about an oral only, however most of them are younger kids who dont use pct. Why is it that test and an oral stabilize each other though?

[Times Roman]

your body NEEDS testosterone to be able to function like a man. somethings are obvious, things the control your libido, erectile function, and virility. other things not so obvious, like blood pressure, T to E ratio (if the E ratio is too high, you can pick up some feninine traits), etc.......

other gear tricks your body into thinking it IS testosterone, and so your body shuts off natty production.

which means you are running around with zero test in your body.

[stillernation]

good info, that answers my question. thanks bro

[stillernation]

So basically you have a better chance of test being permanently damaged when using synthetic orals instead of pure test?

[songdog]

A little research wouldve told you this bro.We have always said NO and always will.Just bad news bro.

[Bio-Active]

So basically you have a better chance of test being permanently damaged when using synthetic orals instead of pure test?

You risk it either way but if you are running test along side whatever compound you are running you are at least replacing the test that your body will stop producing since you have added androgens to your system

[stillernation]

I get that, Im not for it, but I'd like to be able to back myself up when I talk to him about it. I dont research much orals due to I never considered a cycle with them.

[MickeyKnox]

I get that, Im not for it, but I'd like to be able to back myself up when I talk to him about it. I dont research much orals due to I never considered a cycle with them.

Send him here.

[stillernation]

haha obviously if he was smart enough to go here he wouldnt have started an oral only in the first place. Let alone no pct. hcg, or common sense.

[MickeyKnox]

haha obviously if he was smart enough to go here he wouldnt have started an oral only in the first place. Let alone no pct. hcg, or common sense.

So, educate him and point him in the right direction. Its never too late.

[stillernation]

Unless he throws a bitch fit and tries telling how the sides arnt aas induced

[MickeyKnox]

Unless he throws a bitch fit and tries telling how the sides arnt aas induced

Then put your hand up and say, "talk to the hand cause the face ain't listening".