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    BULKING: Why am I gaining so much fat around my waist?

    So I decided to start a bulk a month ago, I was weighing 160 lbs at the beginning and now I'm weighing 170 lbs. The thing is why do I feel fatter? I definitely gained some belly fat, but I dont understand why if I was carefully counting my calories, macros etc all throughout. I have to admit, because I'm a busy college student I would eat one sometimes two fast food meals a day, but I always made sure the meals fitted into my macros and I wouldn't go overboard on my daily caloric limit? I dont understand why I'm not making that much progress muscle wise as well? I heard many times that 'it doesnt matter where your calories come from but as long as you dont exceed your daily caloric limit you'll be fine'. I need some information about this subject, should I go back to eating nasty dry chicken breast? -____-
    Do you guys ever eat fast food on a bulk? If so, how often?
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    Could it be that you're not taking into consideration of the sodium from the fast food or the excess sugar that is in it?

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    but doesn't all that weigh in on the total calories of the meal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brazilian10 View Post
    So I decided to start a bulk a month ago, I was weighing 160 lbs at the beginning and now I'm weighing 165 lbs. The thing is why do I feel fatter? I definitely gained some belly fat, but I dont understand why if I was carefully counting my calories, macros etc all throughout. I have to admit, because I'm a busy college student I would eat one sometimes two fast food meals a day, but I always made sure the meals fitted into my macros and I wouldn't go overboard on my daily caloric limit? I dont understand why I'm not making that much progress muscle wise as well? I heard many times that 'it doesnt matter where your calories come from but as long as you dont exceed your daily caloric limit you'll be fine'. I need some information about this subject, should I go back to eating nasty dry chicken breast? -____-
    Do you guys ever eat fast food on a bulk? If so, how often?
    id look real hard at bold.

    also how may cals are u eating daily? whats ur bf%?

    what is ur maintenance cals? if i remember correctly u were like 175-180lbs and 14%(ish) bf right? u didnt look then like a guy needing to lose 15pounds..

    as far as it not mattering where ur calories come from.. thats a matter of opinion and debate IMO. it seems as though some of what is happening to you can attest to that.

    if i were u id re-evaluate ur entire program. i dont recall seeing anything in here about a bulking diet? maybe i missed it.

    are u running a cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brazilian10 View Post
    but doesn't all that weigh in on the total calories of the meal?
    Im pretty sure if youve set your macros , you didnt have a 'saturated fat' macro , and if you did it wasnt 50grams daily .

    A big mac is 10 grams saturated fat , 25 grams fat , 8 grams of sugar (myfitnesspal) , if your having two fast food meals a day , your going to get fat

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    Hey 405! Good to know you're still on here man . Yeah, I was weighing around 175 lbs like a year ago, unfortunately I was involved in a car accident and broke my jaw and wrist. Thus, My mouth was wired shut for 6 weeks and I lost pretty much all my muscle. It took me four months to fully recover, now I'm trying to get back in the gym and planning on gaining back (bulking) all the hard worked muscle I once had -____-. Its very frustrating and I don't wish this on anyone. Enough of my rant lol, my stats are 165 lbs..I dont know my bf%, could you help me guesstimate it man? I'll post a pic below. In regards to iifym, I'll start cutting the junk food asap because I've been feeling sluggish and fat..plus my waist is growing too quickly which is a good indicator that I need to clean up my diet.

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    **As you can see I tend to store a lot of fat in my midsection**

    RANDOM question: Is 165g of protein too low? Should I up my protein intake to 200g? I ask this because I just read in multiple threads that 1 gram/protein per pound is enough, yet I've always consumed around 250-300 g of protein! So lately it feels kind of weird eating a lot less protein and way more carbs than what I used to, the good side is I have a lot more energy! My workouts are a lot better for sure.
    My main fear is that 165 grams of protein wont be enough and will cause me to lose muscle?
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    sorry to hear about ur crash. glad u made i thru and are feeling better and getting back into the gym!

    IMO u look 16-18ish% body fat but its hard to tell just from the one pic without seeing ur legs.

    we need to see ur current macro split (the one uve been eating to bulk). how long have u been eating on the current diet? how long were u out of the gym? how long have u been back in the gym? how much weight have u gained in this period of time?

    what does ur training split look like? are you doing any cardio?? if so how much, how often, how long?? intensity??

    a lot of questions..

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    My thighs/legs are regular size, like I said before I mostly tend to gain weight on my midsection. So I would say I'm around 16% body fat.

    we need to see ur current macro split (the one uve been eating to bulk).Regarding my macros spilt it is 60%carbs/25%protein/15%fat.

    how long have u been eating on the current diet? I'm bulking on 3051 cals and I just started this diet two months ago and I'm seeing a decent amount of muscle gain but fat at the same time....but then again I'm probably seeing lots of fat gain because I've been filling a good portion of my daily calories with fast food. On how I got the numbers, amount of calories I need to bulk, etc was from watching Michael Kory Fitness videos, the guy definitely seems like he knows what he's talking about so I'm comfortable with the numbers..

    Yesterday I started cleaning up my diet and will now start eating clean!!!
    how long were u out of the gym?
    I was out of the gym for 4 months due to my broken wrist and because of bad depression, but now I'm back in the gym and committed 100%!
    how long have u been back in the gym? I've been back in the gym for two months now.
    how much weight have u gained in this period of time? I gained around 10 lbs during this period of time.
    are you doing any cardio?? if so how much, how often, how long?? intensity?? I just started doing cardio once I noticed I was gaining fat too quickly around my midsection , I started picking up swimming a week ago, where I've been doing laps twice a week for 45 mins moderate intensity. I was Reading about swimming and its a great way of doing cardio, plus I enjoy it so thats always good One fear that I have about swimming, is it going to counteract bulking? Lets say If i swim 30-45 mins 3x a week..will that negatively effect my gains?

    Thanks in advance guys, I really appreciate it

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    at 165lbs 16%bf u have 138.6 lbs LBM

    138.6 x 15 = 2079cals (rough maintenance)

    now u might be able to see where the body fat is coming from?

    if u have gained 10lbs in 8 weeks thats approx 2.5 lbs per week. probably a bit much to keep it lean

    thatd have u at 7000cal surplus per week to get 2 lbs per week which is 1000cals per day. this is also consistent with ur formula calculated maintenance cals as well, which could give u a bit of confidence in the calculation.

    if i were u id drop to 2500cals and id do cardio 2-3x per week. clean up ur food sources.

    at 138.6lbs LBM x 1.5g per pound lean mass thatd give u 207.9g protein per day. i suppose it is a bit on the high side based on grams per pound but u could still then eat 250-300g carbs per day plus 50(ish) grams fat and be at 2500cals.

    see how u get on with this would be what i did. be patient with it. u may find u can re-comp a bit and slowly drop the fat while gaining some lean mass at the same time. it all takes time and trial and error and patience.

    ive noticed with myself when i get in a hurry to gain weight fast a lot of it is fat. slowly gaining with a lot less of a surplus works well for me. keeping on cardio helps me stay relatively lean at the same time.

    let me know what u think
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    Sounds good to me man ,, but did you take into account the 4 days a week I'll be lifting in the total amount of calories? Like what I'm trying to say is that, Ill be lifting 4 times a week and doing cardio 3x a week for 45 mins....will 2500 cals be enough?
    One more very important thing, I was actually weighing myself for three days in a row and I'm actually weighing 170 lbs not 165 lbs...... at first I thought it was water weight so I didn't take it seriously but the scale has been constantly reading 170 lbs...so how many cals would I need now? If you could show me the math on how you get these numbers that would be greatly appreciated :-)
    Thanks so much!
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    Quote Originally Posted by brazilian10 View Post
    Sounds good to me man ,, but did you take into account the 4 days a week I'll be lifting in the total amount of calories? Like what I'm trying to say is that, Ill be lifting 4 times a week and doing cardio 3x a week for 45 mins....will 2500 cals be enough?
    One more very important thing, I was actually weighing myself for three days in a row and I'm actually weighing 170 lbs not 165 lbs...... at first I thought it was water weight so I didn't take it seriously but the scale has been constantly reading 170 lbs...so how many cals would I need now? If you could show me the math on how you get these numbers that would be greatly appreciated :-)
    Thanks so much!
    dont turn this into an equation.

    keep it simple. right now ur eating 3000cals and gaining more fat than u want to gain. my suggestion is to tone it back to 2500 and see how u fare. get a FEEL for how ur body responds to what ur eating instead of relying on numbers on paper. if ur maintaining at 2500cals then bump it to 2700 cals and see how that does u. personally i think 3000cals was a bit too aggressive for ur amount of lean mass.

    a lot of how we gain weight has to do with how our bodies partition the nutrients. everyone is different. u have to play with it a bit. it is important to track what ur putting in ur body and u can use a formula to get started but finding ur "sweet spot" IMO is more of an art than a math problem.

    hope this helps.

    id also like to add 60%cals from carbs may be a bit much to stay lean.. just my .02
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    You're totally right bro, I'd try 2500 cals and see how things go

    id also like to add 60%cals from carbs may be a bit much to stay lean.. just my .02
    So what you're saying is that I should up my fats and protein? I'm using myfitnesspal app and I just changed my daily caloric goals to 2500, and because of that I also had to tweak my macro split to 30%pro/50%c/20%f in order to get the desired grams for each. Therefore with this new macro split I'll be consuming 313g of carbs, 188g of protein and 56g of fat....Does that sound better?
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    200g pro
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    Keep it simple ☺

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    I heard many times that 'it doesnt matter where your calories come from but as long as you dont exceed your daily caloric limit you'll be fine'

    If this is what you have always heard then now you can say that what you have always heard is incorrect. Why in the world would you believe that? You will continue to hear that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie blah, blah, blah. Did you know the color purple contains caloric value? and yet if it were possible to eat it would not benefit you at all, that is to say that there is no expendable energy to exert from the color purple, why you ask? because its the friggin' color purple!

    Now if it were possible that it doesn't matter what you eat and a calorie is a calorie, then just look at a sweet potato for your enlightenment. Now, a great source of yummy carbohydrate goodness, by itself! natural, whole food, pure, lean, unadulterated fuel.

    Now lets add some butter to it, because lets face it butter makes everything taste better right. Well, now you have just taken the way your body recognizes that beautiful complex carbohydrate and turned it into a fat storage bomb. Not one that will make you obese mind you, but will definitely make you store the fuel for fat.

    When you eat this buttery sweet potato, what happens is quite amazing, because lets face it the body is amazing! I mean it can grow a baby in it for pete sake! so after it hits the tummy, this is how that calorie is a calorie is a calorie starts to add up. Your Pancreas starts to produce insulin which helps the break down and aids absorption of the small intestine and a ton of other things, but what happens when you have intermingled a natural food with a saturated fat is nothing short of amazing (in a bad way). the body takes the food and begins the slow glycemic climb of the sweet potato but with the introduction of the saturated fat begins to make the body store the fuel rather than burn it.

    Now the main problem here is not that the body has shifted gears in the way it metabolizes glycogen storage and the halt of burning a primary fuel source, but that the entire meal you eat with that sweet potato also gets lumped into that category, drink a coke with it and I can say that scientifically, your body will store 90% of that meal as "excess" fat, or rather the "bad carbs" and bad fats as fat. This is the same affect of a big mac meal or a subsequent replacement. Your right in that its all a pile of calories, but your body has a different idea of what its going to do with them and how it will store them.

    The bottom line is this, the "wrong" food will indeed make you fat, period! stop looking at the calorie, its not making you fat! your source of calories are. Food for thought.

    By the way, 405's evaluation of your food consumption and intake is right on point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jngymrat
    I heard many times that 'it doesnt matter where your calories come from but as long as you dont exceed your daily caloric limit you'll be fine'

    If this is what you have always heard then now you can say that what you have always heard is incorrect. Why in the world would you believe that? You will continue to hear that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie blah, blah, blah. Did you know the color purple contains caloric value? and yet if it were possible to eat it would not benefit you at all, that is to say that there is no expendable energy to exert from the color purple, why you ask? because its the friggin' color purple!

    Now if it were possible that it doesn't matter what you eat and a calorie is a calorie, then just look at a sweet potato for your enlightenment. Now, a great source of yummy carbohydrate goodness, by itself! natural, whole food, pure, lean, unadulterated fuel.

    Now lets add some butter to it, because lets face it butter makes everything taste better right. Well, now you have just taken the way your body recognizes that beautiful complex carbohydrate and turned it into a fat storage bomb. Not one that will make you obese mind you, but will definitely make you store the fuel for fat.

    When you eat this buttery sweet potato, what happens is quite amazing, because lets face it the body is amazing! I mean it can grow a baby in it for pete sake! so after it hits the tummy, this is how that calorie is a calorie is a calorie starts to add up. Your Pancreas starts to produce insulin which helps the break down and aids absorption of the small intestine and a ton of other things, but what happens when you have intermingled a natural food with a saturated fat is nothing short of amazing (in a bad way). the body takes the food and begins the slow glycemic climb of the sweet potato but with the introduction of the saturated fat begins to make the body store the fuel rather than burn it.

    Now the main problem here is not that the body has shifted gears in the way it metabolizes glycogen storage and the halt of burning a primary fuel source, but that the entire meal you eat with that sweet potato also gets lumped into that category, drink a coke with it and I can say that scientifically, your body will store 90% of that meal as "excess" fat, or rather the "bad carbs" and bad fats as fat. This is the same affect of a big mac meal or a subsequent replacement. Your right in that its all a pile of calories, but your body has a different idea of what its going to do with them and how it will store them.

    The bottom line is this, the "wrong" food will indeed make you fat, period! stop looking at the calorie, its not making you fat! your source of calories are. Food for thought.

    By the way, 405's evaluation of your food consumption and intake is right on point!
    Good post.. I've been thinking a lot about this as of lately. What if one were to drink a naturally high simple carb source ( OJ for ex ) would the same thing happen as described above ? My understanding is the body sees all sugar as the same if that makes sense.

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    When drinking a simple carb source you would not want to have a fruit juice of any kind. The simple sugar in fruit juice is not so simple. Because most all so called sweeteners or simple sugar, (say table sugar for example) use Phosphoric acid to produce it, very nasty stuff that radically changes the way the body metabolizes it, and yes, although over simplified, the above explanation is close and the effects are similar. The compounds are way too mutagenic for the body to recognize properly.

    Take for a moment drinking a coke and having a pizza, the phosphoric acid (sucrose, but a Frankenstein version of it) stops the production of Leptin, a hormone that tells you you're full, and overproduces the hormone Ghrelin, that tells you to keep eating! Thus you over eat! but what's worse is that all the stuff your eating is literally going to fat storage, and over time the natural effect is obesity or the accumulation of fat. These are the dangers of junk foods and knowing what your eating.

    Now all that being said and I'm sorry for being somewhat vague, drinking juice? My general rule of thumb is if you want a great carb source then drink natural juice from greens, spinach, kale, cucumber for a base liquid throw in an apple and there you have a pure high octane drink that bypasses all the digestive glycemic highways in the body and goes within seconds to saturate the cells, an absolute excellent form of nutrients that benefits the body 100%

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    The bottom line is this, the "wrong" food will indeed make you fat, period! stop looking at the calorie, its not making you fat! your source of calories are. Food for thought.

    Alright guys I'm 100% convinced now Most of the guys who claim 'a calorie is a calorie' are usually the ones who are blessed with great genetics. I'll keep you guys updated on how my body is looking/feeling with this newer better, cleaner diet : D

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    Quote Originally Posted by brazilian10
    The bottom line is this, the "wrong" food will indeed make you fat, period! stop looking at the calorie, its not making you fat! your source of calories are. Food for thought.
    So if I eat 10,000 cals from clean food, chicken, fish, etc I won't get fat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KJ-
    So if I eat 10,000 cals from clean food, chicken, fish, etc I won't get fat?
    to much of anything will make your body store fat but you have to eat a lot more clean food to get the calories in compared to junk food

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027
    to much of anything will make your body store fat but you have to eat a lot more clean food to get the calories in compared to junk food
    Yeah that's what I was getting at, I just think food intake and quality of food are just as important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KJ-
    Yeah that's what I was getting at, I just think food intake and quality of food are just as important.
    absolutely food quality is most important

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027
    absolutely food quality is most important
    Yeah hormonal response from the quality of food is so important, this IMO calorie is not a calorie

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KJ-
    Yeah hormonal response from the quality of food is so important, this IMO calorie is not a calorie
    fats are instrumental friendly fats that is

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim230027
    fats are instrumental friendly fats that is
    Agreed!!

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    hey guys, just wanted to do an update on my progress. So far its been a week now and I lost 1-2 lbs (168 lbs), and the best part of it is that I feel like most of it was fat! This week I started incorporating cleaner foods on my new 2500 calorie diet,started eating more veggies and complex carbs, also did 40 min cardio 3 times this week.

    I'm feeling a lot better, more energized, less of a slob, happier, I could go on forever! My jeans feel less tighter on my bum and thighs and my midsection is getting smaller as well, all in all while still keeping my muscle mass. I'll post pics in a week to show you guys my progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brazilian10
    hey guys, just wanted to do an update on my progress. So far its been a week now and I lost 1-2 lbs (168 lbs), and the best part of it is that I feel like most of it was fat! This week I started incorporating cleaner foods on my new 2500 calorie diet,started eating more veggies and complex carbs, also did 40 min cardio 3 times this week.

    I'm feeling a lot better, more energized, less of a slob, happier, I could go on forever! My jeans feel less tighter on my bum and thighs and my midsection is getting smaller as well, all in all while still keeping my muscle mass. I'll post pics in a week to show you guys my progress.
    Awesome! Keep on it!

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    hey guys, Its been a week now since I've updated and I haven't lost any weight tbh :-/, today I weighed myself in the morning and I was still at 170 lbs, even after doing more cardio (3x a week for 30-45 mins) and cleaning up my diet and reducing my calories to 2500. I'd like to think maybe I'm on my 'sweet spot'?... and that I'm losing fat while building muscle? But I just want to be sure.... My jeans definitely fit a lot better and I do feel less 'chubby'. Also my love handles and flanks have reduced greatly..What worries me though why am I not losing weight?? (Is it because even though I'm technically eating less than I did before I'm still eating a surplus, therefore resulting in me not losing weight?)

    PS. I'll post pics later today after I hit the gym.

    Thanks
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    I would not focus on the weight too much as this can be very misleading. Body fat would be a much better measuring option but it sounds like you are going by what you look like, how pants fit and so on. This is great IMHO as you might start gaining weight it is just not fat anymore :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarmyg View Post
    I would not focus on the weight too much as this can be very misleading. Body fat would be a much better measuring option but it sounds like you are going by what you look like, how pants fit and so on. This is great IMHO as you might start gaining weight it is just not fat anymore :-)
    Yeah, I'm mostly basing it on how I feel, the mirror, how my pants fit, shirts, arms, etc.
    I just measured my waist a few mins ago and I indeed lost one inch around my waist (Its 32 inches now!) So I guess I'm on my sweet spot?
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    Here's a pic guys after 1 week....Click image for larger version. 

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    Idk just taking these pics made me wanna start cutting! Lol, I feel so fat, even though I'm losing bf% SLOWLY, I still wish I could remove all this fat....but then again I feel like I'm on my 'sweet spot', I'm full of contradictions -__-
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    gotta throw in a lot of sprints in my opinion. none of that usual pace cardio. high intensity sprints, 60sec sprint, 60 sec walk, over and over. do it on a treadmill so you wont let your body tell you to slow down unless you push in a slower speed ofcourse

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    Been trying to further fine tune my diet and stumbled across this.. Good read with a lot of valuable knowledge, especially anyone trying the whole IIFYM that really doesn't understand how it works/wanting to eat anything they want

    Made any progress braz?

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