200mg bi-weekly shots of Depo-Testosterone, what kind of gains can I expect?

[bruary17]

I was on androgel 1.62%, been on it for about 3 months. Doctor is now switching me to 200mg of Test-Depo every two weeks. (I'm opting for 200mg every wk.) I'm 6ft. 180lbs. I lift weights hard, hitting all the angles, 5 to 6 days a week. 35 years old, tall and slender build. Got a decent base now with just a little body fat covering most of my muscle. Anyway, I eat every 3 hours, clean stuff. Pretty much follow a body builders diet. Wondering if it's unrealistic to expect 20-30 pounds of dry, solid gains in the next six months if I settle in the protocol of 200mg every week? Thanks!

[johnny the blade]

Just my experience... For TRT, 200mg wk is on the end and you will have to deal with the side effects that come along with it. Starting with 100mg wk and seeing how you feel in conjunction with bloodwork may be the best way to go. Get dailed in on a good TRT regiment then you can blast on occasion if you wish.

[johnny the blade]

High end. Damn phone keys! Lol

[2Sox]

Johnny said it right. 200mg/week is NOT a TRT dose - except in very rare instances.

Besides, if you're interested in body building questions and answers, this is not the appropriate forum for you.



EDIT: See post #17 below. VERY good info.

[Beethoven]

Agreed with all the above. Read up some more. Less is definitely more in TRT. There are many of us on 100 mg a week and trying to get lower dose.

[Lifted1]

yes it's an unrealistic expectation to gain 20~30lbs muscle in 6 months...even a year. most will be lucky to put on 5~10lbs of real muscle per year assuming diet/exercise is on point. I would recommend starting at 100mg/wk for 6 weeks, get blood work done and adjust from there. you're gonna need some hcg too...

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

My Dr. started me on 200mg of Cypionate every 2 weeks and from what I have heard talking to other men in GA. this seems to be standard dose from uneducated Dr's. in this area ? But your own health and well being is your responsibility ! So I just spiit mine into 50 mg every 3.5 days and did OK ? But had to up to 70mg every 3.5 days to get mine around 700 and feeling great with E-2 @ between 25 & 30 on .25 mg of Adex weekly !

But a lot of Doc's in GA. require pacitients to come to office every 2 weeks for injection and never offer Ai or HCG ? Just general conversation from pacient's of Md's offering TRT in GA. they only do what Insurance will cover and few even offer Ultra Sensitive Estroniol Test ? ? ? ?

[Low Testosterone]

200mg per week is a very common TRT dose. I'm not sure why so many here seem to think it's extreme or rare, nothing rare about it.

To the guy in the original post, if you decide to take 200mg/wk despite being prescribed 200mg every other week, you'll run through your testosterone twice as fast and more than likely irritate your doctor significantly. This is a good way to have your doctor drop you as a patient.

[bullshark99]

Thank you^^^^^^^^^^ Low T

[2Sox]

200mg per week is a very common TRT dose. I'm not sure why so many here seem to think it's extreme or rare, nothing rare about it.

To the guy in the original post, if you decide to take 200mg/wk despite being prescribed 200mg every other week, you'll run through your testosterone twice as fast and more than likely irritate your doctor significantly. This is a good way to have your doctor drop you as a patient.

Thank you for this information. I think I and others based our opinions on the men who have posted on this forum and there have been very few who take as high a dose as 200mg/week. As a health care provider, there's no doubt you've seen thousands of patients, many of whom take this dose. So thanks for the heads-up. What percentage of guys would you say take this dose?

[bruary17]

200mg per week is a very common TRT dose. I'm not sure why so many here seem to think it's extreme or rare, nothing rare about it.

To the guy in the original post, if you decide to take 200mg/wk despite being prescribed 200mg every other week, you'll run through your testosterone twice as fast and more than likely irritate your doctor significantly. This is a good way to have your doctor drop you as a patient.

I plan on speaking w/him about switching me to 200mg weekly rather than bi-weekly. I'm not going to do it on my own, I won't be able to unless I stock up on the T, and that would require me going without for awhile - not going to do that. I'll talk to him soon - see what he suggests.

[bruary17]

Thank you for this information. I think I and others based our opinions on the men who have posted on this forum and there have been very few who take as high a dose as 200mg/week. As a health care provider, there's no doubt you've seen thousands of patients, many of whom take this dose. So thanks for the heads-up. What percentage of guys would you say take this dose?

I thought it was rather common as well.

[bruary17]

yes it's an unrealistic expectation to gain 20~30lbs muscle in 6 months...even a year. most will be lucky to put on 5~10lbs of real muscle per year assuming diet/exercise is on point. I would recommend starting at 100mg/wk for 6 weeks, get blood work done and adjust from there. you're gonna need some hcg too...

I hope to prove you wrong brother! Hope to get picks and stats up here soon.

[bruary17]

My Dr. started me on 200mg of Cypionate every 2 weeks and from what I have heard talking to other men in GA. this seems to be standard dose from uneducated Dr's. in this area ? But your own health and well being is your responsibility ! So I just spiit mine into 50 mg every 3.5 days and did OK ? But had to up to 70mg every 3.5 days to get mine around 700 and feeling great with E-2 @ between 25 & 30 on .25 mg of Adex weekly !

But a lot of Doc's in GA. require pacitients to come to office every 2 weeks for injection and never offer Ai or HCG ? Just general conversation from pacient's of Md's offering TRT in GA. they only do what Insurance will cover and few even offer Ultra Sensitive Estroniol Test ? ? ? ?

Thankfully, my docs nurse practioner is going to show me how to pin the first time, and leave it up to me from then in if I so choose - which I choose.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I plan on speaking w/him about switching me to 200mg weekly rather than bi-weekly. I'm not going to do it on my own, I won't be able to unless I stock up on the T, and that would require me going without for awhile - not going to do that. I'll talk to him soon - see what he suggests.

If you are just getting started , what would you argue to the Doc as your reason for wanting 200mgs a week since you have not tried the 200mg even if you split it into 4 at home and retest in 3 or 4 mths ?

Just may be a hard point to argue since your run of the mill GP or MD will prescribe just what yours did and he may be one of the not smart Docs that is of the opinion one size fits all and he would probably say why do you think you need 200mgs per week ? Just saying be ready and all he can do is say no

figure you Ins cost and your knowledge and if close to $200.00 a week lowtestosterone.com is a better choice than most run of the mill Dr's. ! At lowtestosterone.com you deal with expert Dr's and get all the meds incloded for est. $200.00 a mth. !

There are threads on this forum and on the internet that show and explain how and where to inject and if you ever get slack you may have issues ? I have recently after 2 years of pinning ?

[Metalject]

If you can gain 30lbs of actual muscle mass in a year, which is going to be 40-50lbs in total weight at a minimum, you need to quit your job immediately and focus on becoming the most miraculous muscle man in history.

[Low Testosterone]

Thank you for this information. I think I and others based our opinions on the men who have posted on this forum and there have been very few who take as high a dose as 200mg/week. As a health care provider, there's no doubt you've seen thousands of patients, many of whom take this dose. So thanks for the heads-up. What percentage of guys would you say take this dose?

Percentage of guys? Maybe 30-40%.
100-200mg per week is the average for most clinics/offices that follow one 1-2 injection per week protocols. 200mg would be the high end of the average; however, that should also tell you that there are some men that need more than 200mg. Men that need more than 200mg per week are not common at all, but they do exist. Men that request more than 200mg per week, very common, and the reasons they give for the request are often hysterical and sometimes borderline insulting to your intelligence, but hey, that's the world we live in

I have noticed from reading the msg board that a lot of you who post regularly do not require all that much testosterone and I believe there are logical reasons as to why this is, theories but good ones, in my opinion:

1. As the body becomes accustomed to stable and optimal levels of testosterone, it's not uncommon for the individual to need less testosterone than when they first started out. This does not always hold true, but it often does. Keep in mind, the vast majority of men on TRT only stay on TRT for 6-8 months at a time, and I truly do mean the vast majority. There are numerous reasons as to why they do not continue their treatment, very few are good reasons, but that is going to affect how things play out. It's very common for such an individual to run several 6-8 month courses of TRT in his lifetime.

2. Many of you are adamant about exercise and healthy diets and supplement programs. The majority of men on TRT are not. How big of a measurable affect this has on TRT, I'm not sure, but it's more than possible that this could be one of the reasons many of you require less testosterone. I have no way to prove that, but it's the one major differentiating factor between many of you and the every day TRT patient.

3. Many of you take testosterone and HCG. Many other patients will not use HCG even if recommended due to this requiring more injections. It may be a small subQ injection with a tiny insulin needle but it's still an act of piercing the skin, and some men will not want to give themselves more than one total injection per week. I would not say this is an issue with a massive number of men, but it is with a decent portion of men.

4. And then there's individual response, some men simply require more for symptomatic relief.

[bruary17]

If you are just getting started , what would you argue to the Doc as your reason for wanting 200mgs a week since you have not tried the 200mg even if you split it into 4 at home and retest in 3 or 4 mths ?

Just may be a hard point to argue since your run of the mill GP or MD will prescribe just what yours did and he may be one of the not smart Docs that is of the opinion one size fits all and he would probably say why do you think you need 200mgs per week ? Just saying be ready and all he can do is say no

figure you Ins cost and your knowledge and if close to $200.00 a week lowtestosterone.com is a better choice than most run of the mill Dr's. ! At lowtestosterone.com you deal with expert Dr's and get all the meds incloded for est. $200.00 a mth. !

There are threads on this forum and on the internet that show and explain how and where to inject and if you ever get slack you may have issues ? I have recently after 2 years of pinning ?

The urologist who prescribed me the Test was actually really cool. He wanted to hear from me and it seemed he has my own personal well being in interest. Just seems like a really level-headed guy, not a pretentious know-it-all.

I have low Test to begin with so my first concern is correcting that....a close second concern is my passion for bodybuilding, and if I can benefit in both areas, why not?

I'm concerned about the "peaks and valleys" I hear about when getting bi-weekly shots....but I haven't even started yet and I know it's all experimental until we settle in a protocol.

[bruary17]

If you can gain 30lbs of actual muscle mass in a year, which is going to be 40-50lbs in total weight at a minimum, you need to quit your job immediately and focus on becoming the most miraculous muscle man in history.

That's not uncommon for guys who run their first actual cycle to gain close to 30lbs in 8-12 weeks. Considering I have virgin androgen receptors, and my dedication in the gym as well as my consistent bodybuilding diet; I would like to believe that's pretty realistic, given a years time-frame. But I guess we'll see.

[bruary17]

Percentage of guys? Maybe 30-40%.
100-200mg per week is the average for most clinics/offices that follow one 1-2 injection per week protocols. 200mg would be the high end of the average; however, that should also tell you that there are some men that need more than 200mg. Men that need more than 200mg per week are not common at all, but they do exist. Men that request more than 200mg per week, very common, and the reasons they give for the request are often hysterical and sometimes borderline insulting to your intelligence, but hey, that's the world we live in

I have noticed from reading the msg board that a lot of you who post regularly do not require all that much testosterone and I believe there are logical reasons as to why this is, theories but good ones, in my opinion:

1. As the body becomes accustomed to stable and optimal levels of testosterone, it's not uncommon for the individual to need less testosterone than when they first started out. This does not always hold true, but it often does. Keep in mind, the vast majority of men on TRT only stay on TRT for 6-8 months at a time, and I truly do mean the vast majority. There are numerous reasons as to why they do not continue their treatment, very few are good reasons, but that is going to affect how things play out. It's very common for such an individual to run several 6-8 month courses of TRT in his lifetime.

2. Many of you are adamant about exercise and healthy diets and supplement programs. The majority of men on TRT are not. How big of a measurable affect this has on TRT, I'm not sure, but it's more than possible that this could be one of the reasons many of you require less testosterone. I have no way to prove that, but it's the one major differentiating factor between many of you and the every day TRT patient.

3. Many of you take testosterone and HCG. Many other patients will not use HCG even if recommended due to this requiring more injections. It may be a small subQ injection with a tiny insulin needle but it's still an act of piercing the skin, and some men will not want to give themselves more than one total injection per week. I would not say this is an issue with a massive number of men, but it is with a decent portion of men.

4. And then there's individual response, some men simply require more for symptomatic relief.

Hey man, you're a mountain of knowledge, thanks for that.

In regards to your "some men shy away from pinning" I'm actually looking forward to my first pin. I don't know what HCG is but wasn't prescribed that or anything to keep my estrogen under wraps. But again, this is all just the beginning, haven't even made my transition from androgel to the shots yet.

I'll keep this thread active and keep ya'll posted on things. Maybe even get really creative and record my first pinning that the nurse is going to give me and see if there's a way I can upload it here. Thanks for all the replies and info.