ISIS Flag Burning "Challenge."

[RangerDanger830]

So I am seeing posts on social media of this so called challenge where people are printing out ISIS flags and burning them. Really? How pointless is that?

If you want to say screw ISIS then go ahead and sign up and get in line for overseas deployments. There are a lot of guys who have spent years over there who could use a break.

Stop this social media "activism," a term I use very loosely in this context as no beneficial action is being taken here, tools.

[lovbyts]

Agreed. No need to stoop to their level like the burning of our flag.

[Joco71]

Agreed!

[BG]

Sooner or later they all are going to burn.

[Honkey_Kong]

Instead of burning a flag, just set one of them on fire.

[Euroholic]

Just yesterday my government upgraded our terror alert level to high. Did you blokes see that photo of that kid holding up a served head? That really pissed me off cause now that kid is radicalized. I really hope the west unites together and launches one last middle age style crusade and kills everybody that does not wont to live in a civilized peaceful society. Occupy them and oppress them if thats what it takes. These people are just uncivilized savages who need to die. And what is pissing me off the most is that the muslims in australia are not standing up and saying "these are not our brothers they dont stand for the principles of islam. We will unite with you to stop them" their just being silent like they condone their behavour cutting off peoples heads and living like savages. I am not a infidel you are never going to convert me.

[Shol'va]

I think we have a few left over little man bombs from WW2 Japan that will turn ISIS into one nice big glass parking lot over there. Actually the neutron bomb would be more effective where it kills the body and leaves the place undamaged. that way it doesn't cost billions in reconstruction and helps the environment. A Win Win..

[Shol'va]

what surprised me was a tv reporter interviewed an ISIS convert from America and the convert was quoted as saying it was like Disneyland over there and everyone was happy and partying down. the kid though was an uneducated loser from America, my viewpoint. Incomplete sentences and Canada need not worry because these kids can't even point Canada out on the map. i think the American convert was from Arkansas though as his father and his brother were both the same man.......

[RangerDanger830]

Well first off, I want to say that the purpose of this post was not to invoke hate against any one group of people, with the exception of ISIS.

I do have a few things to say from the perspective from someone who has been over there, in a combat arms specialty, and was in the thick of things.

First off, there will never be true peace anywhere, I am not one of those hippies who are so naive as to think that. However, place like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Iran, and Israel will never experience the level of peace that most developed nations do. If they do get to a more civilized state, it will be a few hundred years from now at the earliest pending any very drastic action.

The whole situation in Iraq with ISIS was not unexpected at all. Me, and everyone else I served with called this years ago before talk of pulling out was ever thought of. A similar situation in Afghanistan is unfolding with a lot less flair. The valleys I was deployed too, that we fought hard to take from insurgent hands, are all back in their hands now.

We all knew this was going to happen, that terrorist organizations were going to move back into Iraq and Afghanistan as soon as we stepped out. Their military is not organized enough, not well-trained, corrupt, poorly funded, and the government in the same state and most likely always will be as their only real way of acquiring money is through drugs.

However, I did not expect that ISIS would take over to the extent that they did with the audacity that they did. If they were smart they would have taken over slowly and quietly. All they have done now with their publicity stunts is give the politicians in countries like ours a reason to blow them up.

I know a lot of us wants to just nuke them all to hell but let me tell you that just isn't going to happen. For one, that is mass genocide and would make us no better than the Nazis. No politician would approve that unless we had been nuked by them first possibly, and I doubt that will happen from these particular countries any time soon anyway. PR aside, the nuclear fallout would be an even bigger nightmare as we have a lot of allies in that area that would suffer the consequences. Hell, Japan is still seeing ill effects, same with Chernobyl.

Unfortunately I do not see any other way to deal with the terrorists in the Middle East aside from nuking them all, which we've already established isn't an option, or developing their nation. I know this seems like a radical idea, and I know I hated the idea of passing out humanitarian aid while I was over there but it is the truth. As countries become more developed they become more civilized. I mean look at Africa, it is still not fully developed and you have plenty of militia over there warring among themselves. We did too in our early years, not to get into the Native American discussion too much.

To get us back on topic, I just want people to put their money where their mouth is and do something worthwhile to support their country. I am not saying every person has to enlist, I have lived in countries with required conscripts, it sucks. A volunteer Army is much more effective because the soldiers work harder and care more. I am sick and tired of hearing thank yous, no one should do it for thanks. It doesn't matter is people support us or not, we are going to work regardless.

The real moral of the story here is that social media "activism" is BS and those people aren't fixing anything.

Merica.

[crazy_rocks]

Destroy strongholds as they create them and return to base which could be in Kuwait since we are already there with no problem. Do this every time they create a stronghold, destroy and get out.

No occupying force aside from trainers and intel help.
No nation building.

We will not influence the culture to the point whereas militant Muslims will not exist. The only ones who can truly do that are the so called moderate Muslims. They are the key to this and always have been. All we can do is treat the symptoms unless we wish to go the fascist route. In that case we are also guilty as Ranger Danger already stated.

[crazy_rocks]

Just yesterday my government upgraded our terror alert level to high. Did you blokes see that photo of that kid holding up a served head? That really pissed me off cause now that kid is radicalized. I really hope the west unites together and launches one last middle age style crusade and kills everybody that does not wont to live in a civilized peaceful society. Occupy them and oppress them if thats what it takes. These people are just uncivilized savages who need to die. And what is pissing me off the most is that the muslims in australia are not standing up and saying "these are not our brothers they dont stand for the principles of islam. We will unite with you to stop them" their just being silent like they condone their behavour cutting off peoples heads and living like savages. I am not a infidel you are never going to convert me.

I understand man. It's pretty frustrating.

[RangerDanger830]

Well the problem is that a lot of their strongholds in these countries are just regular old villages, especially in Afghanistan. We would get shot at from villages that would harbor these terrorists. Some villages harbored them because they supported them and some harbored them out of fear. Either way, destroying the entire village isn't an option for our nation.

My platoon did burn down a particular village twice in one deployment because they kept harboring terrorists and they would occasionally shoot at us from the village. We destroyed the houses, their winter food supplies, their livestock, and even their mosque one of the times. That seemed to work, the insurgents didn't shoot at us there for awhile, but two months later they were at it again. The more we killed the more stood up against us.

[crazy_rocks]

Well the problem is that a lot of their strongholds in these countries are just regular old villages, especially in Afghanistan. We would get shot at from villages that would harbor these terrorists. Some villages harbored them because they supported them and some harbored them out of fear. Either way, destroying the entire village isn't an option for our nation.

My platoon did burn down a particular village twice in one deployment because they kept harboring terrorists and they would occasionally shoot at us from the village. We destroyed the houses, their winter food supplies, their livestock, and even their mosque one of the times. That seemed to work, the insurgents didn't shoot at us there for awhile, but two months later they were at it again. The more we killed the more stood up against us.

When I say stronghold I'm not talking about a village. If it is a village that's the issue then naturally we would use the appropriate response. This does not mean that Iraq would have zero responsibility in handling this.

[Euroholic]

I think we have a few left over little man bombs from WW2 Japan that will turn ISIS into one nice big glass parking lot over there. Actually the neutron bomb would be more effective where it kills the body and leaves the place undamaged. that way it doesn't cost billions in reconstruction and helps the environment. A Win Win..

I think we have a few left over little man bombs from WW2 Japan that will turn ISIS into one nice big glass parking lot over there. Actually the neutron bomb would be more effective where it kills the body and leaves the place undamaged. that way it doesn't cost billions in reconstruction and helps the environment. A Win Win..

Well no The usa only had 3 bombs during ww2. And they used all 3 of them. That was the whole point of the 2 quick bombings to make the japs think there was more. They had the material to make more but at the time there was none left.

[Euroholic]

I never went to iraq but i did go to Afghanistan and it is a shitt hole. Its like 100Bc there just backward thinking savages. That are not in the real world of 2014.

[Deal Me In]

I don't mind the airstrikes and the trainers but if the locals don't want to stand up and fight then we should leave. It's pointless to fight a war for another country. We shouldn't have been there in the first place (Iraq) and sending more troops will yield the same result.

It's unpopular but with every passing day I'm becoming an isolationist.

[Euroholic]

Well first off, I want to say that the purpose of this post was not to invoke hate against any one group of people, with the exception of ISIS.

I do have a few things to say from the perspective from someone who has been over there, in a combat arms specialty, and was in the thick of things.

First off, there will never be true peace anywhere, I am not one of those hippies who are so naive as to think that. However, place like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Iran, and Israel will never experience the level of peace that most developed nations do. If they do get to a more civilized state, it will be a few hundred years from now at the earliest pending any very drastic action.

The whole situation in Iraq with ISIS was not unexpected at all. Me, and everyone else I served with called this years ago before talk of pulling out was ever thought of. A similar situation in Afghanistan is unfolding with a lot less flair. The valleys I was deployed too, that we fought hard to take from insurgent hands, are all back in their hands now.

We all knew this was going to happen, that terrorist organizations were going to move back into Iraq and Afghanistan as soon as we stepped out. Their military is not organized enough, not well-trained, corrupt, poorly funded, and the government in the same state and most likely always will be as their only real way of acquiring money is through drugs.

However, I did not expect that ISIS would take over to the extent that they did with the audacity that they did. If they were smart they would have taken over slowly and quietly. All they have done now with their publicity stunts is give the politicians in countries like ours a reason to blow them up.

I know a lot of us wants to just nuke them all to hell but let me tell you that just isn't going to happen. For one, that is mass genocide and would make us no better than the Nazis. No politician would approve that unless we had been nuked by them first possibly, and I doubt that will happen from these particular countries any time soon anyway. PR aside, the nuclear fallout would be an even bigger nightmare as we have a lot of allies in that area that would suffer the consequences. Hell, Japan is still seeing ill effects, same with Chernobyl.

Unfortunately I do not see any other way to deal with the terrorists in the Middle East aside from nuking them all, which we've already established isn't an option, or developing their nation. I know this seems like a radical idea, and I know I hated the idea of passing out humanitarian aid while I was over there but it is the truth. As countries become more developed they become more civilized. I mean look at Africa, it is still not fully developed and you have plenty of militia over there warring among themselves. We did too in our early years, not to get into the Native American discussion too much.

To get us back on topic, I just want people to put their money where their mouth is and do something worthwhile to support their country. I am not saying every person has to enlist, I have lived in countries with required conscripts, it sucks. A volunteer Army is much more effective because the soldiers work harder and care more. I am sick and tired of hearing thank yous, no one should do it for thanks. It doesn't matter is people support us or not, we are going to work regardless.


The real moral of the story here is that social media "activism" is BS and those people aren't fixing anything.

Merica.

Exactly!!!! at the end of the day its just a civil service job. But if someone is giving you some perks you may as well take them. The best perk i got is when i went to court the judge let me off with a small fine both times.

[Euroholic]

I don't mind the airstrikes and the trainers but if the locals don't want to stand up and fight then we should leave. It's pointless to fight a war for another country. We shouldn't have been there in the first place (Iraq) and sending more troops will yield the same result.

It's unpopular but with every passing day I'm becoming an isolationist.

Well before ww1 the usa was. And now it appears they are slowly turning back that way.

[clarky.]

We've got some nuclear weapons sitting in our mountains here in scotland doing fvck all Total wast off money. So maybe the goverment could fire some over there and wipe the b@stards out ? but i forgot that would be against there human rights eh ****ing rats.

[RangerDanger830]

We've got some nuclear weapons sitting in our mountains here in scotland doing fvck all Total wast off money. So maybe the goverment could fire some over there and wipe the b@stards out ? but i forgot that would be against there human rights eh ****ing rats.

We in the U.S. have plenty of nukes all over, even in overseas countries. Oh well.

I do understand the isolationist point of view and am the same way myself, I live outside city limits and am planning on moving even farther. I would love to go off the grid like Mick Dodge but my "free" country won't allow you by law to have a dwelling not hooked up to utilities.

[Deal Me In]

We in the U.S. have plenty of nukes all over, even in overseas countries. Oh well.

I do understand the isolationist point of view and am the same way myself, I live outside city limits and am planning on moving even farther. I would love to go off the grid like Mick Dodge but my "free" country won't allow you by law to have a dwelling not hooked up to utilities.

I did not know that. Does solar power count. I'm thinking propane tanks, solar power and a well. Personally, I would never give up the convenience of suburbia but I understand the desire. Seems if you really wanted to you could make it happen. I imagine it would be expensive but it could be done.

[RangerDanger830]

I did not know that. Does solar power count. I'm thinking propane tanks, solar power and a well. Personally, I would never give up the convenience of suburbia but I understand the desire. Seems if you really wanted to you could make it happen. I imagine it would be expensive but it could be done.

I was just reading an article on how a woman was fined and court ordered to hook her house up to the city water. She ended up hooking it up but never using it and paying the couple dollars a month. I think that is a total pile of doodoo and it really goes to show you how free we really are. Some laws are good, some take it too far.

That Mick Dodge fella is probably breaking tons of laws since it is protected forests, some of it is at least I know. You just have to find a good spot where no one will be bothering you I suppose.

[Euroholic]

Did you blokes see that video of the jordanian pilot that isis burnt to death? I like to consider myself pretty ice cold and not succumb to emotions, i have seen a few uncivilized things in my travels but that video was the worst thing i think i have seen. I think I'm feeling empathy. The only positive thing was the pilot stood his ground and looked them in the eye and did not cower as it happend. These truly are the worst people alive they are uncivilized as it gets there practically inhuman. I always thought the people who said just "nuke the mid east" were stupid but now i see where there comming from. I will not post the video.

[RaginCajun]

Did you blokes see that video of the jordanian pilot that isis burnt to death? I like to consider myself pretty ice cold and not succumb to emotions, i have seen a few uncivilized things in my travels but that video was the worst thing i think i have seen. I think I'm feeling empathy. The only positive thing was the pilot stood his ground and looked them in the eye and did not cower as it happend. These truly are the worst people alive they are uncivilized as it gets there practically inhuman. I always thought the people who said just "nuke the mid east" were stupid but now i see where there comming from. I will not post the video.

Yes, saw that.

Jordan said there will be an 'earth-shaking' retaliation

[jesse4466]

They are instigating a war with the world. I don't think the world should wait any longer. The 13,000 sq miles they control should be completely atom bombed. The majority of the 50,000-80,000 of their fighters will be dead. Their oil control in Iraq needs to be taken over, assets frozen. And Iraq needs real leader ship so it doesn't happen again. Isis is what happens to country's who have no government and no concrete system of control In place. It makes u wonder whether taking out Sadam was a good thing...Now we got a real world threat on our hands .

[< <Samson> >]

They are instigating a war with the world. I don't think the world should wait any longer. The 13,000 sq miles they control should be completely atom bombed. The majority of the 50,000-80,000 of their fighters will be dead. Their oil control in Iraq needs to be taken over, assets frozen. And Iraq needs real leader ship so it doesn't happen again. Isis is what happens to country's who have no government and no concrete system of control In place. It makes u wonder whether taking out Sadam was a good thing...Now we got a real world threat on our hands .

Wow, that's well put IMO - that's exactly the way I see it

This politically correct garbage needs to stop somewhere

[marcus300]

Did you blokes see that video of the jordanian pilot that isis burnt to death? I like to consider myself pretty ice cold and not succumb to emotions, i have seen a few uncivilized things in my travels but that video was the worst thing i think i have seen. I think I'm feeling empathy. The only positive thing was the pilot stood his ground and looked them in the eye and did not cower as it happend. These truly are the worst people alive they are uncivilized as it gets there practically inhuman. I always thought the people who said just "nuke the mid east" were stupid but now i see where there comming from. I will not post the video.

Its totally barbaric and sickens me to the core, just like you watching a women get raped and not doing anything. Totally disgusting behaviour.

[Euroholic]

Yes, saw that.

Jordan said there will be an 'earth-shaking' retaliation

Rightly so. There public must be outraged!!!!!!

[Shol'va]

Did you blokes see that video of the jordanian pilot that isis burnt to death? I like to consider myself pretty ice cold and not succumb to emotions, i have seen a few uncivilized things in my travels but that video was the worst thing i think i have seen. I think I'm feeling empathy. The only positive thing was the pilot stood his ground and looked them in the eye and did not cower as it happend. These truly are the worst people alive they are uncivilized as it gets there practically inhuman. I always thought the people who said just "nuke the mid east" were stupid but now i see where there comming from. I will not post the video.

I post ideas like that out of frustration of our government either not doing anything to really stop the madness or not doing enough. I believe we made a major mistake early on in the wars over there by going in and taking out saddam huessein. He and his country kept Iran in check over there and now with him gone Iran is free to stir up trouble all over the area. And from the latest reports, they are doing a great job of recruiting terrorists and causing unrest in neighboring countries. No wonder Israel is running very worried these days knowing that Iran's number one goal is to creat nuclear weapons and give them to the terrorists. Of course we have irans word that they wont build any but that word is worthless imo

[Honkey_Kong]

I guess the King of Jordan is going to actually fly bombing missions against ISIS himself.

UPDATE: ISIS ON THE RUN — NOW THIS IS AWESOME: Jordanian King to fly bombing raids over ISIS » The Right Scoop -

[lovbyts]

Nice, since our dictator has no balls.