I have read my fair share of threads on this subject and have talked with others guys on it also.GUYS if you want too cut you have got to have something there too cut MASS! This really amazes me when a guy says he wants to cut and he gives me his stats.I mean WOW a 20mph wind and this guy is get blown around him and his 15" arms.Now tell me wats so hot about a skelatin with veins? Nothing guys you got all winter too bulk then spring cut.Personlly I would rather walk on the beach all bulked up than a bag of bones looking like I am starving.And it's nothing more than being lazy beacuse they usually say I don't want to get bigger.REALLY! no bigger than a HS kid.So I guess wat I am saying is if you want too look good on the beach leave the bones in the closet for Halloween!