Carbs Post WO, Really Necessary???

[novastepp]

So what should be the minimum amount of carbs to injest to fully replenish glycogen stores?

fully replenish... no set number per se.

to fully replenish glycogen stores im guessing you would need to be inactive for about four days. every take a week off from the gym? if you have you may notice you come back stronger. that is due to nearly full glycogen levels and subsequent energy. just eat carbs and that alone will help you replenish to your highest achievable point before your next workout.

[ChuckLee]

fully replenish... no set number per se.

to fully replenish glycogen stores im guessing you would need to be inactive for about four days. every take a week off from the gym? if you have you may notice you come back stronger. that is due to nearly full glycogen levels and subsequent energy. just eat carbs and that alone will help you replenish to your highest achievable point before your next workout.

Well, today I've learnt something a lot important. Thanks again Nova

[novastepp]

Well, today I've learned something a lot important. Thanks again Nova

where you from chuck? other than my gf's asscrack apparently.

[ChuckLee]

where you from chuck? other than my gf's asscrack apparently.

Italy...i know i know sometimes i miss some verb or word...but who cares.
Last question for my favourite whore dieting guru: is "Vitargo" complex carbs?

[RockyX]

Dextrose = Glucose
Glucose + Water = Glycogen

Simple as that. Simple carbs PWO (like Dextrose) are for replenishing glycogen levels. I've never felt that it has affected any of my cutting diets in a negative fashion. I do find I feel like shit if I miss my Pro/Dex shake after my workout though.

[MuscleScience]

Dextrose = Glucose
Glucose + Water = Glycogen

Simple as that. Simple carbs PWO (like Dextrose) are for replenishing glycogen levels. I've never felt that it has affected any of my cutting diets in a negative fashion. I do find I feel like shit if I miss my Pro/Dex shake after my workout though.

No glycogen is the stored form of carbohydrates in animal tissue. Its basically a bunch of glucose molecules strong together in branched polymer arrangements (Polysaccharide). It is analogous to plant starch, hence why it is sometimes referred to as animal starch.

[RockyX]

No glycogen is the stored form of carbohydrates in animal tissue. Its basically a bunch of glucose molecules strong together in branched polymer arrangements (Polysaccharide). It is analogous to plant starch, hence why it is sometimes referred to as animal starch.

Right, that's what I'm saying. You are giving yourself dietary glucose at a time when (assuming intense workout) your body is in a glycogen shortage, this free floating dietary glucose in combination with the "insulin spike" it gives off IMO would provide the body a chance to quickly replenish glycogen stores.

[MuscleScience]

Right, that's what I'm saying. You are giving yourself dietary glucose at a time when (assuming intense workout) your body is in a glycogen shortage, this free floating dietary glucose in combination with the "insulin spike" it gives off IMO would provide the body a chance to quickly replenish glycogen stores.

You said glucose+water= glycogen

Your right, glucose will be quickly taken up by the muscle and liver cells post-workout. The liver will actually get the first crack at the ingested glucose and will start producing glycogen as well.

[novastepp]

Right, that's what I'm saying. You are giving yourself dietary glucose at a time when (assuming intense workout) your body is in a glycogen shortage, this free floating dietary glucose in combination with the "insulin spike" it gives off IMO would provide the body a chance to quickly replenish glycogen stores.

it takes much longer than one meal to replenish glycogen. and the only spike you're going to get get from insulin is if you were to inject it PWO. forget that insulin spike stuff if you aren't using slin. carbohydrates throughout the day and after a workout are the only way to fully get those glycogen stores full(er) after a long period of time.

[RockyX]

it takes much longer than one meal to replenish glycogen. and the only spike you're going to get get from insulin is if you were to inject it PWO. forget that insulin spike stuff if you aren't using slin. carbohydrates throughout the day and after a workout are the only way to fully get those glycogen stores full(er) after a long period of time.

I'm just curious because obviously you know your stuff, and Biochemistry was never my bread and butter, but is there not a relatively large increase in insulin after consuming simple carbs/sugars?

And as far as my statement:

Glucose + Water = Glycogen

I was in no was saying that if you add water to Glucose you are standing there with a cup full of Glycogen. I realize how it can be inferred that way. I was only trying to state that Water and Glucose are both major components in the make-up of Glycogen.

[novastepp]

Dextrose = Glucose
Glucose + Water = Glycogen

and that's terribly inaccurate.

[RockyX]

I can see how that is confusing.

Glycogen partly consists of water. Each gram of glycogen is believed to draw 2.7g water into storage along with it. In times of activity this water is rapidly lost and must be replenished to help revive energy stores. In times of carbohydrate restriction in the diet, glycogen is also believed to be depleted and water lost.

[MuscleScience]

I can see how that is confusing.

Glycogen partly consists of water. Each gram of glycogen is believed to draw 2.7g water into storage along with it. In times of activity this water is rapidly lost and must be replenished to help revive energy stores. In times of carbohydrate restriction in the diet, glycogen is also believed to be depleted and water lost.

OK I see what your saying. I thought your were saying that when glucose meets water they react to form glycogen. Instead your meaning that since both are polar molecules they bind together in 1 to 3 relationship. If you just would have said that there would have been no confusion.

[RockyX]

yeah I figured that's how you took it. Sorry bout the confusion.