Cutter cycle...critique please!

[shrpskn]

I'm going into my 6th cycle and my stats are listed in my profile...tell me what you guys think about my proposed cutter cycle I plan to run very soon...all opinions appreciated.

Week 1-8 Test prop 75mg/ed
Week 1-8 NPP 75mg/ed
Week 1-8 Tren A 75mg/ed
Week 1-12 Proviron 50mg/ed
Week 8-9 HCG 500iu/eod
Week 9-12 Nolva 40mg/ed

Plus necessary ancillaries "on hand" in case of gyno.

I may swap out the NPP with Masteron @ 75mg/ed, but I'm interested in trying NPP and I've heard conflicting reports (positive & negative) of combining two 19-nor's in a cycle and I want to "trial & error" this one.

Let me know what you guys think.

Thanks,

[Titleist]

Looks Horrible, Terrible & Awful! Just kidding of course. It looks great to me man. I would probably run the Masteron. Just heard great stuff about it. But same goes with the NPP. Its really up to you. I hope you will keep a log of this cycle as i'm sure many of us would like to see how you progress.

[jagdpanther]

hey shrpskn,

A rule of thumb for me is to run more test then everything else combined.
I know you want to experiment with 2 nandrolnes, I wish you well, I got gyno from a similar combo. As for NPP I've run it once and much prefer it to deca.
In your combo I would choose the masteron over the NPP.
If you choose to run the NPP I would either quit that 1 week early or run the test prop alone for one week longer. The half life is 4.5 days meaning it will be in your system for around 9 days. Small detail but that is how i would do it.
I like proviron.

I know you know what you are doing so have fun and good growing/cutting,

Jagdpanther

[shrpskn]

hey shrpskn,

A rule of thumb for me is to run more test then everything else combined.
I know you want to experiment with 2 nandrolnes, I wish you well, I got gyno from a similar combo. As for NPP I've run it once and much prefer it to deca.
In your combo I would choose the masteron over the NPP.
If you choose to run the NPP I would either quit that 1 week early or run the test prop alone for one week longer. The half life is 4.5 days meaning it will be in your system for around 9 days. Small detail but that is how i would do it.
I like proviron.

I know you know what you are doing so have fun and good growing/cutting,

I sincerely appreciate your feedback...I've found myself not to be gyno-prone and have kept any potential gyno well in check with past cycles.

This is another reason I'm interested in experimenting with two Nor's in the stack...and as I posted in an above post...I'm going to see how the lower dose test is going to treat me...I've read some say that is all you need and others say you have to run more test than Nor's.

I backed the NPP and tren A down to 6 weeks, but at 100mg/ed and I'll keep the test p for 8 weeks at 50-75mg/ed...hopefully enough to keep the drive going...if not, I can always up the test p dose.

So this is what the cycle may look like now:

Week 1-8 Test P @ 50-75mg/ed
Week 1-6 NPP @ 100mg/ed
Week 1-6 Tren A @ 100mg/ed
Week 1-12 Proviron @ 50mg/ed
Week 7-8 HCG @ 500iu/eod
Week 9-12 Nolva @ 20-40mg/ed

Can anyone suggest what they think would be a good oral to add to the stack...remember, this is a cutter.

Thanks for any comments,

[elitetky]

drop the nolvaex , use Letrozolo

[Njord]

drop the nolvaex , use Letrozolo

And what is your reasoning behind that?

[shrpskn]

Thanks for the feedback so far guys...I want to keep this one short and after further thought and advice, I'm thinking of shortening the NPP and tren A down to 6 weeks, but go 100mg/ed. And run the test p at 50-75mg/ed...

As for the test dose, I'm trying a trial and error cycle here and have read conflicting reports of whether you need the test dosed as high or higher than the Nor's, so I want to see how I react to a lower dose of test (hopefully enough to keep the willy working) and a short heavy dose of Nor's.

As for the ancillaries, I'm going to stick with what has worked best for me in the last couple cycles...

Any further comments are appreciated.

Thanks again,

[jagdpanther]

As for the test dose, I'm trying a trial and error cycle here and have read conflicting reports of whether you need the test dosed as high or higher than the Nor's, so I want to see how I react to a lower dose of test (hopefully enough to keep the willy working) and a short heavy dose of Nor's.

I'm interested to find out the results. As I said its my rule of thumb to keep the test higher then everything else combined, but I to have seen conflicting reports on this. Keep us in the loop.

After Edit:
Just saw your second post. My pleasure bro.
I love anavar and tbol. I've run anavar at 60 -100mg ED and t-bol at 50mg ed.
Not sure there was any difference between 80mg and 100mg. Both are relativley mild as far as 17A orals go. I have run both together before and would do it again. I don't feel its right to recomend running both at the same time though. That is apersonal call.

[shrpskn]

I'm interested to find out the results. As I said its my rule of thumb to keep the test higher then everything else combined, but I to have seen conflicting reports on this. Keep us in the loop.

When I make the final decision of what I will do with this, I'll let you guys know...I'll probably keep a cycle log and post some progress pics as well.

Thanks for the feedback,

[mkrulic]

I wrote this on another thread but I like my test in short runs to be 50:50 long ester to short ester. hangs in after the run and kicks in quick.

[shrpskn]

I wrote this on another thread but I like my test in short runs to be 50:50 long ester to short ester. hangs in after the run and kicks in quick.

Interesting thought...but I think I'm going to keep this one all short-ester.

I'll keep this in mind for the future tho.

Thanks,

[Fjock]

my cycle looks very similar to yours except masteron instead of the NPP. will be my first time using masteron though. excited to say the least

[shrpskn]

my cycle looks very similar to yours except masteron instead of the NPP. will be my first time using masteron though. excited to say the least

You will love the Masteron...it has to be my favorite cutting compound so far...I've ran it in past cycles and exactly like the one I have above except no NPP and it went out 10 weeks...

In fact, my favorite cut stack to date has been Test p, Tren a, and Masteron.

I've never ran NPP so well see...

Good luck with your cycle...I'm sure you'll love it.

[taiboxa]

welp i guess i cant hold back anymore.. lol
ok first thing first is if ur running lots of nor.. i would keep test low as i dont like lots of aromitization going on when im opening up my progest recepts..
2ndly i have ran deca/tren together.. and all i can say is it was Great. What is odd is my joints feel much.. more.. CUSHIONED on deca.. even w/ a shorter ester so that is a 2nd reason i love tren/deca type of combo.. as tren no only dries me out but w/ the increasing str.. it puts hell on my connective tissue.

but imo it would far more effective to substitute a strong dht and replace one of the nor groups.. i personally would swap NPP for Mast or win.
OR replace tren w/ drol.. that is how i would revamp it.

and for a final note.. the person that suggested letro.. is nothing more than a 3rd world imbecile.

good luck w/ the cycle.

[shrpskn]

^ Thanks alot for the response Tai...I'm not set on it yet...I may swap out the NPP for masteron still...as I mentioned in the first post of this thread...but I do want to try the NPP out someday...I've heard good things about it and Deca has treated me good in the past.

Test p, tren a, and masteron has been my favorite stack to date, but I was thinking of experimenting here.

I'll keep you guys updated.

Thanks again,

[guest589745]

I think some sort of anti prolactin/progestin during the cycle when nors are involved would make recovery easier ?

[shrpskn]

^^ Yes, most definitely...any time I run a 19-nor compound, I have some cabergoline on hand...didn't mention that above, but it is in the equation.

[guest589745]

So you just keep it on hand or you actually use it ?

Damnit, I was gonna say more but I forget now, ****......................

[shrpskn]

^ I have used it before...sexual side effects were surprising to say the least...

I have ran Tren or Deca before and didn't have a need for it...I still have it just in case.
I'm not as sensitive to the 19-nor family as some are...niether potential forms of AAS induced gyno has ever been an issue for me.

The last couple cycles I've ran, all I used for AI effects was Proviron and water bloat or gyno has never been an issue so far.

[T3/T4 GSR]

Reason Iwould use masteron over npp is that is that it doubles as an anti e so when cutting it is a really ncie way to keep the bloat off and keep you looking hard. I didn't like deca much but when I used masteron I loved it. Never looked so good.

[guest589745]

Use masteron and npp ?

[taiboxa]

Use masteron and npp ?

thats wat i was thinking.. still get to use NPP... and using it alone will give u better understanding since tren is so strog it will most likely mask all of the effects from NPP.. and since masteron isnt over powering and is a dht .. and he has already used it.. he will be able to still recognize the gains from npp..

[guest589745]

I am using this right now:

100mg ED:
masteron
test prop
nandrolone prop

I was thinkin about adding tren since I am not getting great results anymore, or up the dose of test and/or masteron.

[taiboxa]

I am using this right now:

100mg ED:
masteron
test prop
nandrolone prop

I was thinkin about adding tren since I am not getting great results anymore, or up the dose of test and/or masteron.

up the NOR group shud make quite a difference.. when u up it .. do a type of frontload

[guest589745]

up the NOR group shud make quite a difference.. when u up it .. do a type of frontload

well the problem with that is if I go too high with nandrolone, I just get really really tired and I become useless, just extreme lethargy basically. hard to get blood taken ASAP when I feel like that and I dont even know if that is the cause (RBC count).

[taiboxa]

well the problem with that is if I go too high with nandrolone, I just get really really tired and I become useless, just extreme lethargy basically. hard to get blood taken ASAP when I feel like that and I dont even know if that is the cause (RBC count).

yeah i dont have that prob w/ nor per say but i do w/ Androgens thats why i try to keep test as low as possible.. espeically when running tren in conjunction.. but yeah i know wat ur talkin bout.. up the sit outta the DHT then.. since thats where a buttload of ur anabolism will come from.

[shrpskn]

Thanks tons for all the input here fellas...I really appreciate it.

I will think on this one and do a little more digging around before I make the final call...I will post my final cycle proposition before I make the buy.

Any other advice or input is still welcome.

I see skullsmasher is suspended...I havent been around the last couple days...I musta missed somfin?

Anyway, thanks again guys,