Which supplements are a MUST?

[gbrice75]

I am relatively new to supplements - plus they always seem to change as to what's the latest and greatest. I would just like to know what you would consider essential supplements for a person wishing to gain lean mass and lose bodyfat. I am currently working out and doing cardio 5 days a week.

At the moment, I supplement meals with protein shakes. I also take a multivitamin and creatine monohydrate daily.

I got a gift card to the viatmin shoppe and just picked up Twinlab Creatine Fuel Stack - not sure how effective this is. Contains 5000mg creatine monohydrate (remember I already use creatine daily in one of my shakes), 2000mg L-Glutamine, and 200mg Taurine.

Is this even worth taking? Am I getting too much creatine this way?

Is there anything else you think I should be taking?

[nothingtoitbuttodoit]

Only things i would consider a must are multi, fish oil and whey protein

[redz]

BCAA, multi vits and protein are the staple. I also take glutamine and flax oil.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Protein, Creatine Mono, Multi Vit.

[IM708]

I am relatively new to supplements - plus they always seem to change as to what's the latest and greatest. I would just like to know what you would consider essential supplements for a person wishing to gain lean mass and lose bodyfat. I am currently working out and doing cardio 5 days a week.

At the moment, I supplement meals with protein shakes. I also take a multivitamin and creatine monohydrate daily.

I got a gift card to the viatmin shoppe and just picked up Twinlab Creatine Fuel Stack - not sure how effective this is. Contains 5000mg creatine monohydrate (remember I already use creatine daily in one of my shakes), 2000mg L-Glutamine, and 200mg Taurine.

Is this even worth taking? Am I getting too much creatine this way?

Is there anything else you think I should be taking?

Creatine bullshit stack by twinlabs is shit. Get a simple tub of micronized creatine monohydrate is the best route. Glutamine and taurine supplementation is useless.

Beta alanine and BCAAs have been proven to be beneficial supplements.

[gbrice75]

Creatine bullshit stack by twinlabs is shit. Get a simple tub of micronized creatine monohydrate is the best route. Glutamine and taurine supplementation is useless.

Beta alanine and BCAAs have been proven to be beneficial supplements.

Thanks man, I kind of figured that about the Twinlab product(s). I already have a tub of micronized creatine monohydrate, so i'm good there. I need to look into supplementing BCAA's.

PS - Love the name, Maiden is my fav metal band from the old school!

[wharton]

My main ones are Multi Vitamins, Vitamin C, Fish oil, Flax seed, Creatine, Whey isolate and casin proteins, also on bulk I use around 6 tubs of Nurisport weight gainer a month. I also take a lot more Amino's Every day than I probably need but hey more is better than not enough.

[Kibble]

Multi Vitamin
Whey Protein
Creatine
Fish Oil

[Swifto]

BCAA's
Creatine Mono
Ome ga3
Leucine
Whey
MultiVit
VitC
Digestive Enzymes

[dec11]

i've read in a few sports nutrition books tht bcaa's are a waste of time

[IM708]

i've read in a few sports nutrition books tht bcaa's are a waste of time

Well those books are wrong.

[dec11]

Well those books are wrong.

they have blind trials and discovered that some of the placebo group actually exceled the bcaa group

[IM708]

they have blind trials and discovered that some of the placebo group actually exceled the bcaa group

then post it

[Friend]

Multi Vitamin
Zinc
Vitamin C
Whey Protein
Flaxseed Oil

[dec11]

then post it

i can post you the book title.Supplements for Strength-Power Athletes by Jose Antonio and Jeffrey R. Stout (Paperback - Jun 2002) and just about anything by Anita Bean

i also have been using supps for 19yrs and neva felt any benefit from taking bcaa's, this kinda confirmed it for me.

[gunslinger2]

Multi Vitamin
Vit C
Whey Protein
Creatine
Fish Oil
Glutamine

I think if you are eating enough protein you will get most of the BCAA's you need.

[oscarjones]

Fish Oil
B-complex
Biotin
ALA
Vit-C
Vit-D
Whey
Creatine
I have yet to find a decent multi

[covert025]

Fish Oil
B-complex
Biotin
ALA
Vit-C
Vit-D
Whey
Creatine
I have yet to find a decent multi

GNC Megaman Sport. Its good enough

[PC650]

multi v
fish oil/flax seed
whey protien
bcaa post workouts a MUST!!

if im bulking

creatine mono

[amcon]

test/tren... protien, aminos, and that is it

good diet, good work out splits, and a smile

[JinNtonic]

^^^ I agree. I spent a ton supps and then eventually started weeding out the ones I saw no benefit from(most of them).

Multi
Fish oil
Cinnamon with chromium
Green tea
Ginko

[Swifto]

I use BCAA's and will never go back to Whey Iso. Whey upset my stomach to much and caused me to have fialry bad gas.

10g BCAA's
10g Leucine
5g Beta Alanine
5g Creatine Mono
5g EVOO OR 5g Om ega3

+ Oats or a bannana depending on when I have the shake.

[Bigpup101]

BCAA'S
Whey Protein
Multi-V
Flax oil
Vitamin C
Acai Berry
Milk thistle
Creatine

[Flagg]

I think we can agree that Whey Protein and Creatin are givens, but are products like Maximuscle Cyclone worth the cash? It's a combination of protein and creatin which leads me to think it's cost effective or is it just a gimmicky product?

[IM708]

I think we can agree that Whey Protein and Creatin are givens, but are products like Maximuscle Cyclone worth the cash? It's a combination of protein and creatin which leads me to think it's cost effective or is it just a gimmicky product?

High quality whey protein. Pretty good dosage of ALA

Little iffy on:
1) Why are they preaching that per 30g of protein you get 2g of glutamine? Glutamine won't due too much for you.
2) The main ingredient in the matrix is sugar.
3) It has HMB in it but gives no indication of how much leucine exists per 30 grams of protein.
4) Is the creatine micronized? If not, thats not a good thing.
5) Why is there chromium, NAC added?


Flagg, it depends on the price, if the price is right then I'd buy it but it looks like that roughly translates to $55. And has a mess of compounds inside of it. I've always suggested Gold Standard whey and buy a tub of micronized creatine mono to go along with it.

[dec11]

I think we can agree that Whey Protein and Creatin are givens, but are products like Maximuscle Cyclone worth the cash? It's a combination of protein and creatin which leads me to think it's cost effective or is it just a gimmicky product?

yeah cyclone isnt a bad product, can be a bit pricey in some places though

[Swifto]

yeah cyclone isnt a bad product, can be a bit pricey in some places though

Cyclone is a total watse of money. Its also packed full of artifical sweetners and other shit and is WAY overpriced.

Get all the various supps. from www.bulkpowders.co.uk and make your own for a fraction of the price.

[dec11]

Cyclone is a total watse of money. Its also packed full of artifical sweetners and other shit and is WAY overpriced.

Get all the various supps. from www.bulkpowders.co.uk and make your own for a fraction of the price.

yep i agree on the price, 99% supps are bullshit as regarding price, doesnt say they arent good though, i get the stuff for £20 per tub and i feel stronger on it

[Flagg]

Cyclone is a total watse of money. Its also packed full of artifical sweetners and other shit and is WAY overpriced.

Get all the various supps. from www.bulkpowders.co.uk and make your own for a fraction of the price.

That site looks awesome. I need to shop online more for suppliments, shops charge so much. Even when Holland and Barret have their "50% discount" sales on it's still way more expensive.

[bradhore]

No, products like that arn't worth the cash, may aswell buy a good aas cycle and have alot more gains!

[Swifto]

There is evidence stating BCAA's work.

There is evidence stating Leucine supplementation works.

There is evidence Creatine Monohydrate works.

The is evidecne Creatine Ethyl Ester doesnt work.

There is evidence Tribulas does not raise androgen levels.

My claims are backed up by peer-reviewed published clinical data. Infact, everything is I post and claim. Other wise I'll state, I'm "assuming", or "postulating" a given statement/claim.

[bradhore]

Nobody has said caffein! I find it really helps keep me awake and alot and keeps me going for longer!

[gunslinger2]

The evidence that has been presented on BCAA's is new, or fairly new. I'm sure you'de agree newer research is better than older. Well, most of the time.

Oh really? Do you remember when bodybuilders knew the way to get lean was lower carbs and increased protein? No, you are too young to remember that. But anyway, along came the "experts" from the medical com. telling everyone they were wrong, higher carbs were the way to go. Studies and research had been done to "prove" this was the case. They were wrong and the bodybuilders who knew their bodies and had years of experience were right all along. The "new science" was wrong and thats just one case of many I could bring up.

You have an opinoin based on other opinoins and theory's from, it seems, individuals. Thats dangerous.

If I know 10 guys who all work out regularly and eat right, they all order some dbol from a source and every one of them tells me its bunk, then I try it and it does nothing for me either....its bunk, pure and simple I don't care how many studies you have on it.

To have an opinion based on someones theory's with no real world experience of your own and then give others advice based on this is whats dangerous.

[gbrice75]

Jesus guys, can anyone say hijack??!! LoL, actually I don't care - your arguments are informative and just a bit entertaining to be honest!

Since I'm the OP, I'd like to add my .02 on all of this. It sounds to me like you guys are splitting hairs. At the end of the day, 95% of this 'sport' or whatever you want to call it is proper training, diet, and rest. The other 5% (supps, the latest trends, etc.) aren't going to make or break anybody IMO. One person isn't going to be the next Mr. Olympia because he took supps. vs. the other guy who did everything exactly the same except for the supps.

I think certain supps are useful, but as Iron Maiden (or was is Swifto?) pointed out - they are SUPPS - not the 'meat and potatoes' of anybody's regimen.

And for what it's worth, I think personal experience counts for a HELLUVA lot - after all, that is how we evolved over all of these years - trial and error. Scientific experiments are nothing more than trial and error in themselves, and you often find years down the road new data that debunks what people went on believing for decades. Christ, people thought the world was flat! A few years ago, Pluto was considered a planet! Science is PROGRESSIVE - and many things that we consider PROVEN today will change in years to come....

Please don't flame me for what I have stated above which is nothing more than MY OPINION. I am by no means any kind of expert or anything close to that; my body is testament to that. So let's get back to what we're all here for, kick @ss in the gym and push ourselves beyond the limits!

[dec11]

Jesus guys, can anyone say hijack??!! LoL, actually I don't care - your arguments are informative and just a bit entertaining to be honest!

Since I'm the OP, I'd like to add my .02 on all of this. It sounds to me like you guys are splitting hairs. At the end of the day, 95% of this 'sport' or whatever you want to call it is proper training, diet, and rest. The other 5% (supps, the latest trends, etc.) aren't going to make or break anybody IMO. One person isn't going to be the next Mr. Olympia because he took supps. vs. the other guy who did everything exactly the same except for the supps.

I think certain supps are useful, but as Iron Maiden (or was is Swifto?) pointed out - they are SUPPS - not the 'meat and potatoes' of anybody's regimen.

And for what it's worth, I think personal experience counts for a HELLUVA lot - after all, that is how we evolved over all of these years - trial and error. Scientific experiments are nothing more than trial and error in themselves, and you often find years down the road new data that debunks what people went on believing for decades. Christ, people thought the world was flat! A few years ago, Pluto was considered a planet! Science is PROGRESSIVE - and many things that we consider PROVEN today will change in years to come....

Please don't flame me for what I have stated above which is nothing more than MY OPINION. I am by no means any kind of expert or anything close to that; my body is testament to that. So let's get back to what we're all here for, kick @ss in the gym and push ourselves beyond the limits!

sorry for the hijack mate lol, good input from you aswell

[gbrice75]

sorry for the hijack mate lol, good input from you aswell

lol no worries, thanks!

[gunslinger2]

And for what it's worth, I think personal experience counts for a HELLUVA lot - after all, that is how we evolved over all of these years - trial and error. Scientific experiments are nothing more than trial and error in themselves, and you often find years down the road new data that debunks what people went on believing for decades. Christ, people thought the world was flat! A few years ago, Pluto was considered a planet! Science is PROGRESSIVE - and many things that we consider PROVEN today will change in years to come....

Thanks you for this input! I'm also sorry for the hijack but I do get rather pissed off when someone thinks they know everything about bodybuilding, especially at 19. I have said at least 3 times in this thread that I do think you need BCAA's, that was never in question. The question was Which supplements are a MUST? and they don't even break the top 10. Your money would be much better spent elsewhere.

[firsttimer22]

why is vitamin C a must supplement?
do you take it on cycle
how much do you suggest

and in regards to a mult v....is the publix brand fine, or do i need like a more complex one made by a known manufacturer for training purposes?

[bradhore]

Any Multi Vitamin tablet is fine. Doesn't really matter about brand names when it comes to vitmains

[dec11]

vit c is useful for combating the rise in cortisol after a cycle. also while on, a a training session will raise cortisol