This needs to be said about supplements. PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU WASTE YOUR MONEY!

[kaptainkeezy04]

I am starting this thread because I notice a lot of people asking for reviews on their different supplements on here. Let me be clear about something...99% of all supps are probably garbage. I'm talking about the ones that are called "JACKED XTREME!" and "MUSCLE PYTHON!" These are all more than likely trash. You are better off going to wal mart and buying 8 packages of boneless chicken breasts, and eating good than buying that stuff.

There are plenty of vitamins and minerals that have actually been proven to work, and those are the ones I choose to spend my money on. Everyone should be taking a multivitamin. Not One-a-day or MegaMen from GNC. Go to vitamin shoppe or wherever and buy the full packet vitamins with 8 pills per serving. If you want your body to run like a ferrari, you have to treat it like one. I currently supplement with the following....

Multivitamin
Vitamin C
Milk Thistle
Cranberry extract
Chromium Picolinate
CLA
Fish Oil
Creatine Ethyl Ester
ZMA

I have only bothered with crap like NO Xplode once, and I thought it was the biggest rip off ever. First of all, You are supposed to have finished a meal approximately an hour before you lift weights, but NO Xplode is supposed to be taken on an empty stomach and 45 mins before your workout. So this means I would have to wait about 45 minutes after I eat to consume NO Xplode and then it would prob take about 10 mins to fully consume it, and then wait another 45 mins to workout? That's an hour and 40 mins! I'm 40 mins late for my workout by that point. Anyways, guys say they don't wanna put down their weights, and they get crazy pumps! Well this pump only lasts you for the hour you are working out, and a pump never really built muscle. Please don't waste your money on preworkout drinks, that only temporarily benefit you while in the gym.

There are definitely good prohormones out there, but I would read reviews on them first. Competitive Edge Labs makes some great prohormones, and at great prices. I would recommend them.

Now for all the guys that think they can use OTC "estrogen blockers" for their prohormones/steroid cycles. STOP! This is not something to mess around with. There is a pretty banner in the top right corner of this web page. Click on it, and buy yourself some clomid and nolvadex and do some research.

Creatine buyers: Creatine monohydrate and liquid creatine and cell tech is all pretty much garbage now. Do yourself a favor and get some creatine ethyl ester, and stop wasting your money by only getting a small percentage of the creatine into your muscles.

To sum up everything, buy supplements that are actually PROVEN to work. If a company has to use a gimmicky name like "Muscle Matrix" it probably is worthless. Eat good, train hard, get 8 hours of sleep without interruption as often as you can, and put scientifically proven vitamins/minerals/supps into your body, only after the first three requirements have been met.

[jimmyinkedup]

creatine ethyl ester
chromium
zma
cla

All useless....
sorry....

Use regular monohydrate...drop the chromium, cla and zma....

If you want me to elaborate i can....but its late...need to go to bed...tomorrow if your interested.....

[jimmyinkedup]

I agree with your contention for the most part, just not your choices.

One of the best posts i ever read in a forum:
"if you want to grow eat eat eat ....leave the shiny tubs of glory up on the shelf...."

[F4iGuy]

Yes but eating is hard work. I want to take a magic pill lol. I do wish it worked that way and so do most people, thats why we have so many crappy supplements. Ignorant people eat it up without doing their homework.

[sensaispike]

i am going to have to agree with jimmyinkedup.... its hard to beat good ol creatine monohydrate.....

[jimmyinkedup]

i am going to have to agree with jimmyinkedup.... its hard to beat good ol creatine monohydrate.....

Ironically enough i got into a debate a couple years ago with a rep here. My contention was that ethyl esterification would not result in increased absorption or prevent conversion to creatinine. While this contention of increased absorption had been know to work with some substances -the exact opposite held true with others. I suspected the latter would be the case witrh creatine. I had no proof...just opinion based on sound speculation.
Well it turns out i was apparently correct(dont get it twisted -not always the case). A study by Dr Tallon and Dr Child from the uk compared 2 cee products against regular old monohydrate. After exposure to stomach acids one cee product degraded to the point that only 75% of it was available for absorption. The other cee product degraded to the point that only 11% was available!
Regular monohydrate...held steady at 99% availability......

Other studies (i believe University of Tulsa) showed cee was no more effective..possibly less effective...and surely less effective due to lower doasges in most cee products (flawed logic - you need less because more is absorbed)....

If cee doesnt bloat you when regular creatine mono does...its probably just because you arent getting the amount of creatine that is effective due to degradation or underdosage.

[Tough92]

Ill make a better list for you

General Supplements that work

Multivitamin
Fish Oil
Creatine mono
Whey/Casian protein(if you count protein powder as a sup)
Pre-Workouts(for energy,pump,etc)

Basically everything else is shit such as 'test boosters" they are garbage and DO NOT WORK.If you a deficit in a certain vitamin or using a vitamin with a problem you have then fine but other than that everything is not needed.

Ironically enough i got into a debate a couple years ago with a rep here. My contention was that ethyl esterification would not result in increased absorption or prevent conversion to creatinine. While this contention of increased absorption had been know to work with some substances -the exact opposite held true with others. I suspected the latter would be the case witrh creatine. I had no proof...just opinion based on sound speculation.
Well it turns out i was apparently correct(dont get it twisted -not always the case). A study by Dr Tallon and Dr Child from the uk compared 2 cee products against regular old monohydrate. After exposure to stomach acids one cee product degraded to the point that only 75% of it was available for absorption. The other cee product degraded to the point that only 11% was available!
Regular monohydrate...held steady at 99% availability......

Other studies (i believe University of Tulsa) showed cee was no more effective..possibly less effective...and surely less effective due to lower doasges in most cee products (flawed logic - you need less because more is absorbed)....

If cee doesnt bloat you when regular creatine mono does...its probably just because you arent getting the amount of creatine that is effective due to degradation or underdosage.

whats your thoughts on creatine nitrate?Suppose to be better than mono

[jimmyinkedup]

Ill make a better list for you

General Supplements that work

Multivitamin
Fish Oil
Creatine mono
Whey/Casian protein(if you count protein powder as a sup)
Pre-Workouts(for energy,pump,etc)

Basically everything else is shit such as 'test boosters" they are garbage and DO NOT WORK.If you a deficit in a certain vitamin or using a vitamin with a problem you have then fine but other than that everything is not needed.

I like that list much better. Pre workouts - well this is my take anyway. Stay away from products that strictly provide a "pump" - its essentially uselss for building muscle. Look at other benfits the product offers - pump is meaningless to me or at least secondary. Hell sometimes its a detriment. One primary ingredient to avoid is glycerol in a preworkout. Its very decieving..it provides a "false pump". What glycerol does is pull water from muscle and other tissue into the blood. Its great to prevent dehydration if you are an endurance athelete...but if you are a bodybuilder you are pulling water and nutrients (creatine) OUT of muscle. Many products containing this claim "increased nutrient delivery" - just the opposite is true. The also claim "amazing muscle pump" - also not true...the pump is from glycerol concentrating in the space in between muscle fibers....not a muscle pump at all.

whats your thoughts on creatine nitrate?Suppose to be better than mono

Im very intruiged by nitrates and still looking into them. They def increase NO..but that doesnt do much for me....however there are other benfits they may provide that do. Nutrient partioning and some others.
To sum up..i dont know but it looks very promising. Im still forming an opinion..i suspect it will be at least as good as mono with likelyhood of other added benefits - again thats just preliminary speculation on my part.

[Tough92]

I like that list much better. Pre workouts - well this is my take anyway. Stay away from products that strictly provide a "pump" - its essentially uselss for building muscle. Look at other benfits the product offers - pump is meaningless to me or at least secondary. Hell sometimes its a detriment. One primary ingredient to avoid is glycerol in a preworkout. Its very decieving..it provides a "false pump". What glycerol does is pull water from muscle and other tissue into the blood. Its great to prevent dehydration if you are an endurance athelete...but if you are a bodybuilder you are pulling water and nutrients (creatine) OUT of muscle. Many products containing this claim "increased nutrient delivery" - just the opposite is true. The also claim "amazing muscle pump" - also not true...the pump is from glycerol concentrating in the space in between muscle fibers....not a muscle pump at all.





Im very intruiged by nitrates and still looking into them. They def increase NO..but that doesnt do much for me....however there are other benfits they may provide that do. Nutrient partioning and some others.
To sum up..i dont know but it looks very promising. Im still forming an opinion..i suspect it will be at least as good as mono with likelyhood of other added benefits - again thats just preliminary speculation on my part.

Wow did not know about the glycerol gonna check out which preworkouts contain it know,and yea I think preworkout are great for energy and focus and like you said muscle pumps do nothing for gaining muscle/strenth but hey who don't like having there muscles pumped up lol

And as for nitrates I haven't researched them yet but like you said they look legit.You seem knowlge of supps so may I ask wats AKG?I see nitrates are new but also see a lot of ingrdients that have AKG in front of there name such as AKG Arginine,Arginine seems to be the main NO ingrdient in supps but last time I checked studies showed that it was useless in creating a pump and pretty much a waste,so wats with this AKG stuff now

[kaptainkeezy04]

Ill make a better list for you

General Supplements that work

Multivitamin
Fish Oil
Creatine mono
Whey/Casian protein(if you count protein powder as a sup)
Pre-Workouts(for energy,pump,etc)

Basically everything else is shit such as 'test boosters" they are garbage and DO NOT WORK.If you a deficit in a certain vitamin or using a vitamin with a problem you have then fine but other than that everything is not needed.




whats your thoughts on creatine nitrate?Suppose to be better than mono

that isn't a better list. i don't count protein powder as a supp. that should be a given. and preworkout stuff is garbage...how about stuff that works ALL DAY LONG?

[Tough92]

that isn't a better list. i don't count protein powder as a supp. that should be a given. and preworkout stuff is garbage...how about stuff that works ALL DAY LONG?

Wut do u mean all day long?how are preworkouts garbage?they give u energy and focus in the gym which def helps,there not needed but help

[ghettoboyd]

i have to say that i like jack3d as a preworkout supp...besides whey protien and vitamins its the only supp i take...i dont consider pro-hormones a supp as they are designer steroids that should be avoided inho...