$hit Genes - How To Fix This??? Quit???

[dinogoesrawr]

Hey everyone!

I have been training for months now and eating a lot of calories per day (good calories) consistently. I have also been cycling roids, taking high quality supps (creatine, egg protein, whey protein and protein bars) and resting/sleeping well/regularly.

I did grow but its all stopped for a while now despite still getting stronger every gym session. I do not see any changes on my body (I measured before/after so its not 'in my eyes'). I have been patient and really do workout as hard as possible every session.

The only explanation I can think of now is I have $hit genes. I have no idea how to fix this.

I am sick and tired of spending tonnes of money on gym/supps etc and working out like crazy only to still look like $hit. I may as well quit now if everything is against me. I'm now thinking if I spent all this money on roids/supps etc and I still look crap there is no hope for me. I'm also vegetarian which means I have diet restrictions - even then I get excess protein per day from as many sources as possible but its still clearly not good enough.

What shall I do as I'm getting more and more pi$$ed off week on week and I am on the virge of quitting.

Any comments are welcome.

Thanks!

[Black]

Everything you've listed takes a back seat to time.

[dinogoesrawr]

Everything you've listed takes a back seat to time.

How much time will it take to even see a few mm worth of gains? This is extremely demotivating.

[krugerr]

How much time will it take to even see a few mm worth of gains? This is extremely demotivating.

This sport isn't a quick one. It takes years. You need to be consistent, plateaus happen, consider changing up your diet or training regime.

[dinogoesrawr]

This sport isn't a quick one. It takes years. You need to be consistent, plateaus happen, consider changing up your diet or training regime.

I did change both up - I'm just going back to the old body I had.

[clarky.]

This sport isn't a quick one. It takes years. You need to be consistent, plateaus happen, consider changing up your diet or training regime.

this ^^^^ 100%

[dinogoesrawr]

this ^^^^ 100%

I am consistent - VERY consistent. My worry is that all these roids and supps for months and months didn't do anything for me so am I just wasting my time? I'm finding it hard to believe results will 'come' given that I lift way more then several dudes in my gym who look 100x better than me.

[crazy mike]

This is where crazy mike, get's a little CRAZY !!!. You're rude dino-kiddy. Your ignorance prevails you. I tried to be nice. I PM'ed you and asked you to come back and not be embarrassed, I am trying to be what this forum wants from us and that's to be of help not to bash etc... so what do you do, you rudely ignore me. Now I will control myself and wish you the best and hope that someone has more patience then me and has the answer. Other tan that STOP steroids your body and mind are not ready. ...still crazy mike

[OnTheSauce]

What's your diet look like? Your stats? any cardio? Before and after photos?

[dinogoesrawr]

What's your diet look like? Your stats? any cardio? Before and after photos?

Diet was 3k calories with 300g protein, 250-280g carbs and 70g fat. Last 2.5 months its been 3.5k calories, almost 350g protein, 300g carbs, still 80g fat. For the past 3 weeks I've added a protein bar so you can add 200 calories, 22g protein and 44g carbs also.
I'm just under 6'0, was 75kg am now 85kg (although I dropped about 1-2 kg this past week). I don't know BF% but a PT said I'm around 15%.
Cardio is done after my weights workout (after drinking a protein shake and taking BCAAs).
Photos - PM'd.

[Back In Black]

Diet was 3k calories with 300g protein, 250-280g carbs and 70g fat. Last 2.5 months its been 3.5k calories, almost 350g protein, 300g carbs, still 80g fat. For the past 3 weeks I've added a protein bar so you can add 200 calories, 22g protein and 44g carbs also.
I'm just under 6'0, was 75kg am now 85kg (although I dropped about 1-2 kg this past week). I don't know BF% but a PT said I'm around 15%.
Cardio is done after my weights workout (after drinking a protein shake and taking BCAAs).
Photos - PM'd.

So, despite my advice, you ignored me? You have added calories and protein?

[MakeEveryRepCount]

I'm just under 6'0, was 75kg am now 85kg (although I dropped about 1-2 kg this past week). I don't know BF% but a PT said 15%.

I've been browsing these forums for close to a year and had to join just to respond. You're saying you gained over 20 lbs in 6 months AND are saying NONE of your measurements changed? I'd love to see before and after photos of that. Either you scale is broken or SOMETHING changed size...

[crazy mike]

I won't post your entire comment TR but thank you so much for your input. I lack patience and the tact to get the advice needed said. I wanted some input to go by. Thanks for putting it out there. I clearly was of no help and should of. Also thank for your comment MuscleIn.
I get my panties in a wad when I don't get the courtesy of just an answer even if it's to say stick it. ...crazy mike

[Hulking2016]

Hey everyone!

I have been training for months now and eating a lot of calories per day (good calories) consistently. I have also been cycling roids, taking high quality supps (creatine, egg protein, whey protein and protein bars) and resting/sleeping well/regularly.

I did grow but its all stopped for a while now despite still getting stronger every gym session. I do not see any changes on my body (I measured before/after so its not 'in my eyes'). I have been patient and really do workout as hard as possible every session.

The only explanation I can think of now is I have $hit genes. I have no idea how to fix this.

I am sick and tired of spending tonnes of money on gym/supps etc and working out like crazy only to still look like $hit. I may as well quit now if everything is against me. I'm now thinking if I spent all this money on roids/supps etc and I still look crap there is no hope for me. I'm also vegetarian which means I have diet restrictions - even then I get excess protein per day from as many sources as possible but its still clearly not good enough.

What shall I do as I'm getting more and more pi$$ed off week on week and I am on the virge of quitting.

Any comments are welcome.

Thanks!

It's hard to believe that your genetics are at there peak if you have't already lifted for years and year.Maybe you jumped into steroids way to early. What is your bench/squat/deadlift and how many years have you bin lifting clean and how many on steroids?

[crazy mike]

OP, please now, I would like to have you understand what's going on. Now people are just going to give you sh!t if you don't answer my questions and other people's Q's. Don't be embarrassed if that's the case. Just give us a run down so you really don't come off as stupid. I'm giving you my time, give me input if you want an intelligent answer. ...crazy mike

[crashfirepm53]

If he ever replies, what gear are you using brand wise? If everything else is in check maybe you got bunk gear???

[Times Roman]

If he ever replies, what gear are you using brand wise? If everything else is in check maybe you got bunk gear???

read my post. I'm thinking a bunk diet and maybe even a bunk workout routine. And definitely bunk is not enough time....

....this lad won't be ready for steroids for a few years!

[crazy mike]

Listen Dino-, in response to me posting you every 5 minutes I have to defend myself. When you start a thread and ask a serious Q and people start responding quickly that means you have engaged in an on going dialog. You were posting as I went back to about every 10 minutes +/- making come backs to the people standing by and trying to help you. Just because this is done via email & computer written response doesn't mean it much different then P to P or P to group. The dialog went on and on.

Suddenly you disappear WITHOUT telling anyone, we and I kept trying to keep the dialog going. It's like you didn't give a Sh!t about the time we were giving you. Rude man just rude. Would you just walk out of the room if this was in P.

Again we scan around but come quickly back to you. I've asked for the cycle or cycles and nothing even yet, just you were taking tons of crap you didn't know the names of. And in regard to getting the LONG NAME and not making a mistake, BULL$HIT. How many times do we talk and describe what we use with the entire name, Tren, not Trenboline and if you got the spelling wrong WTF you don't think we would know what you were talking about, I mean really dude. WE should know. As far as dosages you were stabbing yourself or letting someone stick a needle in your a$$ with out know how much and what it is. Really now, so BS on making sure you had it right on.

Also the machine, your computer doesn't have your light on when you have logged out, you made the mistake. But remember you had my full attention, and I was trying to get somewhere to so I could help you and you just got up no word you had enough and were leaving the OPEN & ONGOING Dialog. How dare you call me out on that one KID. AS fare as defaming you, you acted just like a troll and a know it all KID. Still did you ever come back and spell it out as I asked. Maybe, I missed it. Look at the last three or more posts and I seem to think my attitude towards you has been the same as the majority. Stick that in your syringe, I'm pissed. ...crazy mike

I may have come off mean here, but all along until you walked out on me, no notice I tried to get you an answer. I'm done with you, there is no room or place for this go on , on this forum. I apologize to the other members for taking part in keeping this thread open.

[Times Roman]

I'm NOT going to read this entire thread, but instead pick at some of the things you said in your opening post.

You've only been working out "a few months now"

many of us here have been doing this for a good portion of our lives. Why do you think you can accomplish in "a few months" what has taken some of us years and years to accomplish?

the first six months ANYONE begins lifting weights is ALWAYS the most productive. So you made some nice gains and then hit the six month wall. I'm not sure why you are surprised, unless you didn't know to expect this?

I'm not going to hammer on you about taking steroids at your age. Dumb is just dumb, and hopefully, you know that now, so I'm not going there with you.

Thinking you have "shit genes" because you hit the six month wall shows a lack of knowledge on your part. It sounds like you are flying blind with your knowledge base, so I'm going to suggest you educate yourself on the basics of bodybuilding.

Being "sick and tired of spending money only to still look like shit" is probably the first intelligent thing you said. As a beginner, the only thing you really need to spend your money on is good quality food, and the basic supps like creatine and a few others that shouldn't damage your wallet too much.

"eating a lot of calories per day (good calories)" tells me nothing! Since you seem to lack the basic knowledge for bodybuilding, I'm going to assume the same thing about you regarding diet and nutrition. I hear guys in the gym, and blokes here, say the same thing over and over, and when I actually (and finally) get to see what they consume, it comes as no surprise they haven't a clue. I'm going to recommend you post your diet in the nutrition section, to include macros per meal and total macros per day. Please include your TDEE so we can benchmark against it.

And while we're at it, please post your exercise routines here:
LIFTING TECHNIQUE'S & WORKOUT QUESTIONS
and we will see how good your routines are. "working out like crazy" means nothing, as you could be over/under training, ignoring specific muscle groups, and that sort of thing.

If you've only been lifting a "few months now" and are already pissed off and thinking of quitting, then maybe you should. You will not get ripped this year, and maybe not next year either. If you do not have the patience for this lifestyle, you can always watch football on TV.

I'm not trying to be overly harsh mate, But I get young guys like you here all the time thinking that what we do is a sprint, and it is not. It is more like a marathon, and many cannot handle the effort.

Time to either get tough, or get going!

What's it going to be?

Respectfully
---Roman

[MuscleInk]

Sounds like OP isn't following any of the advice already offered by BIB regarding nutrition and is taking compounds he's not even sure about and probably hasn't used correctly.

No wonder he's not seeing results.

OP, if you're not going to follow advice offered by knowledgable members, why bother asking and what results would you expect if you simply dismiss the guidance and suggestions provided!?!

[krugerr]

Sometimes these threads can be really useful, simple problems like this can really help other members with the input of a few. Unfortunately in this case, as stated by BiB, MI and Crazy, some people are just time wasters, this thread had a lot of feedback, and it appears a few PMd him as well.
Oh well, the boy that cried wolf. He'll not get the help in future.

/rant

[MajorPectorial]

I won't post your entire comment TR but thank you so much for your input. I lack patience and the tact to get the advice needed said. I wanted some input to go by. Thanks for putting it out there. I clearly was of no help and should of. Also thank for your comment MuscleIn.
I get my panties in a wad when I don't get the courtesy of just an answer even if it's to say stick it. ...crazy mike

You can only do so.much mate. The rest is up to them. We'll still be here to help if they need it regardless. Least you actually tried helping. All i see nowadays is wise a$$ comments, flaming n not much useful. if ppl are in the shit, worried n need help. The last thing they need is people flaming so bad they go off without proper advice. People with ecperience should help not hinder. If this guy goes n messes things up even more, well, least a few people can say they tried to help.

[dinogoesrawr]

I've just logged back in and realised this thread seems to have for a bit out of hand. I was pi$$ed before and instead of constantly giving angry replies I logged off and took a walk to cool off. Ate food and now am getting some sleep.

Just a few points to clarify.

TDEE - sorry my bad - I did calculate this - I just don't call it TDEE lol.

Roids - I'm not ignorant. I know the names and concentrations of what I was taking. I had it all in a text but my phone crashed so I has to restore it so I lost the info. I'm waiting for my PT to re-text me the exact names again as I don't want to say the wrong stuff as then you can't help me properly (the names were kinda long which is an I have forgotten them). As for bunk gear - I considered this but I don't think it was bunk. Strength did increase as did weight... This cannot all have been from the diet as I was eating this diet for several months without roids and it didn't increase strength/mass as much as I did with roids.

I contacted BIB recently. Once I was told by BIB to stop cycling I did and am on PCT now. I am following the diet and training BIB gave me. My point is that I don't look much different from the cycles/work etc Ive done so far so I'm not convinced the new diet/exercise plan will work given that its actually less calories etc then before. BIB I added a protein bar and ate less carbs elsewhere so it's still in line with the macros you sent me.

For the second time - I have already posted up my diet in screenshot form on a previous thread. When I'm on a computer (using my phone ATM) I will put a link on this thread.

I'm not expecting to have a perfect body in 3 months. I never said that or expected that. However I did expect a change of at least a few millimetres or something somewhere on my body after months of effort even if they are newbie gains. What's the point in being heavier and stronger if in the mirror you just look the same? I may as well eat a crap diet and still be skinny instead of eating a good diet and be skinny....

I share a computer so only have access to the forum for a few hours a day so please be patient for a reply - I never ignore people.

Edit: I haven't got PMs from anyone except BIB so I'm not sure what you are a using me of. If you want before/after pics I can send them via PM bit I don't wan to post it publicly.

Thanks.

[JWP806]

I've just logged back in and realised this thread seems to have for a bit out of hand. I was pi$$ed before and instead of constantly giving angry replies I logged off and took a walk to cool off. Ate food and now am getting some sleep.

Just a few points to clarify.

TDEE - sorry my bad - I did calculate this - I just don't call it TDEE lol.

Roids - I'm not ignorant. I know the names and concentrations of what I was taking. I had it all in a text but my phone crashed so I has to restore it so I lost the info. I'm waiting for my PT to re-text me the exact names again as I don't want to say the wrong stuff as then you can't help me properly (the names were kinda long which is an I have forgotten them). As for bunk gear - I considered this but I don't think it was bunk. Strength did increase as did weight... This cannot all have been from the diet as I was eating this diet for several months without roids and it didn't increase strength/mass as much as I did with roids.



Thanks.

This is the definition of ignorance! You don't even know the names of the compounds.
You should know exactly what you are taking, why you are taking it, what the proper dose is, what the effects should be and what the side effects should be.

[krugerr]

This is the definition of ignorance! You don't even know the names of the compounds.
You should know exactly what you are taking, why you are taking it, what the proper dose is, what the effects should be and what the side effects should be.

This. I'm done on this thread.

[probuild42]

I've just logged back in and realised this thread seems to have for a bit out of hand. I was pi$$ed before and instead of constantly giving angry replies I logged off and took a walk to cool off. Ate food and now am getting some sleep.

Just a few points to clarify.

TDEE - sorry my bad - I did calculate this - I just don't call it TDEE lol.

Roids - I'm not ignorant. I know the names and concentrations of what I was taking. I had it all in a text but my phone crashed so I has to restore it so I lost the info. I'm waiting for my PT to re-text me the exact names again as I don't want to say the wrong stuff as then you can't help me properly (the names were kinda long which is an I have forgotten them). As for bunk gear - I considered this but I don't think it was bunk. Strength did increase as did weight... This cannot all have been from the diet as I was eating this diet for several months without roids and it didn't increase strength/mass as much as I did with roids.

Dude, if you cant remember what your taking without your phone you probably shouldn't be using it! If you asked me or most of the guys here we good puke out our regimen in are sleep!! I dont use gear. I decided Im not ready. Still have a lot of training and diet to go, but still making good gains!! If you training is really dialed in and your diet is correct to feed your body then get blood work done and see where your Test levels are. You may be low. If so, youre genetics may be the problem. But you have to get back to natural levels first since you have already been on gear before you will even NO!!

I contacted BIB recently. Once I was told by BIB to stop cycling I did and am on PCT now. I am following the diet and training BIB gave me. My point is that I don't look much different from the cycles/work etc Ive done so far so I'm not convinced the new diet/exercise plan will work given that its actually less calories etc then before. BIB I added a protein bar and ate less carbs elsewhere so it's still in line with the macros you sent me.

For the second time - I have already posted up my diet in screenshot form on a previous thread. When I'm on a computer (using my phone ATM) I will put a link on this thread.

I'm not expecting to have a perfect body in 3 months. I never said that or expected that. However I did expect a change of at least a few millimetres or something somewhere on my body after months of effort even if they are newbie gains. What's the point in being heavier and stronger if in the mirror you just look the same? I may as well eat a crap diet and still be skinny instead of eating a good diet and be skinny....

Don't worry about the mirror. How do you feel? That is your best indicator. Take your time you will get there. Give it at least a year or 2 once you feel YOU NO your sh*T, not your friends or trainers advice!!!

I share a computer so only have access to the forum for a few hours a day so please be patient for a reply - I never ignore people.

Edit: I haven't got PMs from anyone except BIB so I'm not sure what you are a using me of. If you want before/after pics I can send them via PM bit I don't wan to post it publicly.

Thanks.

We all want results yesterday. not realistic. From my experience I thought hit the gym like I did when I was 18 and I would be big Ha!! Back up, listen, learn!! One day at time. You can get there!!

[cue_artist]

There is no need for you to be taking 300 g of protein. You are only 85 kg. If I were you I would go with 200 g and replace those calories by adding more carbs. Did you ever do blood test ? Do u ever check on your thyroid ?

[dinogoesrawr]

I'm finding I'm repeating myself a lot so I would appreciate it if you could read the replies (at least what I've typed) BEFORE posting new questions.

Anyway here goes.

1. I was offline so I have no idea why it was green. There's no reason for me to lie.

2. Again - I never said I wanted to be big overnight. I'm concerned I'm not seeing growth on my body - but am just putting on weight and 'getting stronger'. My concern is if with roids and tonnes of supps I'm not seeing changes then idk what it will take to see changes if I ever even see them.

3. I take extra protein because I'm vegetarian and because some of it comes from HumaPro tablets which may not be 'pure' protein. I can't stop them as I need to finish them otherwise its a waste of money (I can't return it).

4. Blood test for what? Test levels? Yes they are normal as is my thyroid level.

5. Yes my measurements are the same. Neck is still 16', arms flexed did go to over 14' but have been getting smaller for the past few weeks and so on. My concern is I just gained fat rather then any muscle.

6. Stop requesting pics here as I WILL NOT POST THEM PUBLICLY. I am happy to PM them so send me a PM and I will send them to you.

Crazy mike - I did not ignore you but was getting all the info to send to you. Please stop replying every 5 mins and expecting an answer in another 5 mins. As explained I was not on the computer and therefore didn't post. Please be patient. It's got nothing to do with respect - I haven't typed anything to offend you - so idk what you are talking about tbh. Please also stop posting comments to discourage others to not help me and base them on incomplete information as this is unfair.

Names of compounds. I DO know the names but I wanted to provide the long name for them and confirm the dosages etc before posting to avoid wasting anyone's time. I cannot believe I am getting stick for double checking my facts before posting. This is BS tbh. I also never said what I cycled was good. This thread just blew out of proportion and took a u turn. I was confuse how a cycle plus a new diet and hardcore training could make no difference to how I look which is why I posted for help as clearly I'm doing something wrong but idk what.

So back off the insults and the whole 'kid man' $hit. If you don't want to help don't read this thread but for those who do I've posted details below.

Diet/cardio info: http://forums.steroid.com/nutrition-...t-cutting.html

Steroid cycle info: http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ats-wrong.html and http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...ce-needed.html

If there is info missing I'm happy to answer more questions.

[Java Man]

Hey everyone!

I have been training for months now and eating a lot of calories per day (good calories) consistently. I have also been cycling roids, taking high quality supps (creatine, egg protein, whey protein and protein bars) and

I did grow but its all stopped for a while now despite still getting stronger every gym session. I do not see any changes on my body (I measured before/after so its not 'in my eyes'). I have been patient and really do workout as hard as possible every session.

The only explanation I can think of now is I have $hit genes. I have no idea how to fix this.

I am sick and tired of spending tonnes of money on gym/supps etc and working out like crazy only to still look like $hit. I may as well quit now if everything is against me. I'm now thinking if I spent all this money on roids/supps etc and I still look crap there is no hope for me. I'm also vegetarian which means I have diet restrictions - even then I get excess protein per day from as many sources as possible but its still clearly not good enough.

What shall I do as I'm getting more and more pi$$ed off week on week and I am on the virge of quitting.

Any comments are welcome.

Thanks!

Not to sounds mean but see the bold. None of what you posted is abnormal for someone staring out with weight training but if you thought it would only take a shot of test and a few months you read too many comic books. It takes years, even with steroids. You'll also never have the body you want of you don't work your core for the first few YEARS. Not months. I have spent well over 50k on supplements, legal ones, like vitamins and quality protein. Another several hundred thousand on food. Maybe a few thousand on steroids. See the weighted curve there? Food, supplements, roids in that order. Everything you need is on this forum. Frustration comes from unrealistic expectations. slow down.

[dinogoesrawr]

Not to sounds mean but see the bold. None of what you posted is abnormal for someone staring out with weight training but if you thought it would only take a shot of test and a few months you read too many comic books. It takes years, even with steroids. You'll also never have the body you want of you don't work your core for the first few YEARS. Not months. I have spent well over 50k on supplements, legal ones, like vitamins and quality protein. Another several hundred thousand on food. Maybe a few thousand on steroids. See the weighted curve there? Food, supplements, roids in that order. Everything you need is on this forum. Frustration comes from unrealistic expectations. slow down.

Your telling me its normal to put on 10kg and then loose results during a cycle even though your upper calories and eat more quality food and are able to lift double the weight you previously could? Your telling me its normal to train for months with roids and quality supps and hardcore training and not even see a few mm on your arms or a slightly slimmer waist or something? Your telling me its possible to lift way more the the other dudes in the gym who have decent bodies and yet look 100x worse then them?
I dont buy that sorry....
The only thing that's gone up is BF% from what I see

[Java Man]

Your telling me its normal to put on 10kg and then loose results during a cycle even though your upper calories and eat more quality food and are able to lift double the weight you previously could? Your telling me its normal to train for months with roids and quality supps and hardcore training and not even see a few km on your arms or a slightly slimmer waist or something?
I dont buy that sorry....

Whatever. I didn't read this shit in a book, boy. I have been at this game for 23 years. You said you have been lifting for a few months. MONTHS. you don't even know what compounds youre stacking. Youre stubborn and obviously are waiting to hear what you already decided is appropriate on your own great mind. So be it. You have my advice and that of greater bodies and minds than mine and so far didn't look like you have taken any of it. With that I wish you luck and leave you.

[dinogoesrawr]

Whatever. I didn't read this shit in a book, boy. I have been at this game for 23 years. You said you have been lifting for a few months. MONTHS. you don't even know what compounds youre stacking. Youre stubborn and obviously are waiting to hear what you already decided is appropriate on your own great mind. So be it. You have my advice and that of greater bodies and minds than mine and so far didn't look like you have taken any of it. With that I wish you luck and leave you.

Again with compounds BS? I already answered this above!!!
I'm wanting to hear what in doing wrong not 'give it time and more time and more time and more time and even when you don't see changes just keep going blindly because it will come eventually' as we all know that's COMPLETE BS. Like I said 50 times above IM NOT LOOKING TO GET HUGE OVERNIGHT but did expect SOME changes - even tiny ones - on my body after months of juicing and training. You cannot deny this and you know this is true which is why you avoided answering the question and gave the generic speech above..

Edit: I typed this before the water bloat post above.
In response to that - the cycle I was on was supposed to have no/little water bloat which is why my PT recommended the cycle he gave me. He's tried other cycles and says many guys have the water bloat issue which is why he doesn't recommend that cycle.

[Java Man]

Your telling me its normal to put on 10kg and then loose results during a cycle even though your upper calories and eat more quality food and are able to lift double the weight you previously could? Your telling me its normal to train for months with roids and quality supps and hardcore training and not even see a few mm on your arms or a slightly slimmer waist or something? Your telling me its possible to lift way more the the other dudes in the gym who have decent bodies and yet look 100x worse then them?
I dont buy that sorry....
The only thing that's gone up is BF% from what I see

That was probably water bloat, which you subsequently lost because you have messed up your system. roids aren't magic. Get off them and train for a few years without them. I'll not be back in this thread so don't give me a witty response.

[Java Man]

By the way that is me in my AV. I was 135lbs at 6 feet tall 20 YEARS ago. Thin bones, concave chest, couldn't bench 95lbs once. Now I'm 226lbs as of yesterday. Slow down dude. It will come.

[Back In Black]

Ok, let's cut the BS as requested.

1. You were foolish to listen to your dealer/PT and take what he said.

2. You started this whole shebang before you had any kind of base or strength. As a result you are not strong enough to build any discernible amount of muscle, AAS or not. You still can't squat your body weight for 10 reps.

3. Your diet was awful. You ate too much. If you eat too much, AAS or not, you will gain fat.

4. You were taking no AI. You don't even know what one is. What you are experiencing now in terms of weight loss is, most likely, water loss caused reduction in estrogen levels now you have no excess test to convert.

5. How the hell do you know your testosterone levels are fine? What bloodwork have you ever had done?

6. We were conversing via PM trying to sort this mess out and hope that you come out the other end of PCT with the least damage possible. Yet you decide to come here and vent?!?!

So you know, we ALL do this because we enjoy it and like to give something back. Not one of us gets paid. Not even staff. So, I feel like I wasted time with all the PM's and plans I gave you. Thanks.

And report that fvcking imbecile of a PT to his boss. He doesn't give a shit about your health and is fvcking clueless. He is a dealer, that is his passion, not health.

Good luck, follow my plan and you'll come out of this better than if you don't.

[Java Man]

Ok, let's cut the BS as requested.

1. You were foolish to listen to your dealer/PT and take what he said.

2. You started this whole shebang before you had any kind of base or strength. As a result you are not strong enough to build any discernible amount of muscle, AAS or not. You still can't squat your body weight for 10 reps.

3. Your diet was awful. You ate too much. If you eat too much, AAS or not, you will gain fat.

4. You were taking no AI. You don't even know what one is. What you are experiencing now in terms of weight loss is, most likely, water loss caused reduction in estrogen levels now you have no excess test to convert.

5. How the hell do you know your testosterone levels are fine? What bloodwork have you ever had done?

6. We were conversing via PM trying to sort this mess out and hope that you come out the other end of PCT with the least damage possible. Yet you decide to come here and vent?!?!

So you know, we ALL do this because we enjoy it and like to give something back. Not one of us gets paid. Not even staff. So, I feel like I wasted time with all the PM's and plans I gave you. Thanks.

And report that fvcking imbecile of a PT to his boss. He doesn't give a shit about your health and is fvcking clueless. He is a dealer, that is his passion, not health.

Good luck, follow my plan and you'll come out of this better than if you don't.

always a gentleman, BIB ;p and a right one at that. I do not believe in the crappy genetics excuse. When I find it, ill post a pic of me at 17. I used to cop that excuse too. Nothing but time, hard work, so hard.you want to puke hard, and strict eating regimen will get you the body you know.you deserve to have. If it was easy then everyone would be huge and we'd find fat chicks desirable because they stand out from the norm of fit bodies everywhere lol.

OP I do not think anything is wrong with you that can't be corrected with knowledge, application, and patience. Back in Black laid out a plan for you. He wouldn't steer you wrong. I'm sorry I got irate but 'my genetics are crap, I quit!' Just gets my extra.litre of red blood cells burning. I'm living proof that poor genetics can be turned into an asset. My skinny wrists and ankles give my limbs a cartoonish taper that is difficult for thick binged people to achieve. Poor genetics or poorly executed plan of attack to reshape yourself? Hmmm. GL.

[Flagg]

Not to chime in too much, but i've never done a cycle but i've been training on and off from the gym for years now. I gave myself a 12 week window before my holiday to get into awesome shape and I did. I went up in weight and was more muscular, and this is from just training hard and eating well.

It seems you are either not training right or not eating well. I understand your frustrations, who doesn't want to change something a person doesn't like about themselves over night, but like the others said, it seems like your training is more interested in making a quick buck.

EDIT: Reading back through the thread, you say you have increased by 10 kilos, which is a large increase! Change is gradual and the person bodybuilding is the last to notice, it's usually other people that will say "wow, you're getting bigger".

Do you have before and after pics, because maybe this sense of "not changing" is in your head? If you are 10 kilos heavier than you were 6 months ago, that extra weight HAS to have gone somewhere..

[pitchindude]

Anyone else get the feeling OP is just a really persistent douche-troll?

[dinogoesrawr]

Eating food will reply to the above shortly.

[dinogoesrawr]

Ok – I did reply to a lot of the above before but I’ll try it another way this time.

These are the only roids I have taken.

Cycle 1 (5 weeks):

Avanar 50mg (pro chem brand). 1 per day.
Tamoxifen 20mg 1 per day.
Testcynate 200ml 2mls a week and bold 2mls a week. 5 week cycle.
Weight went from 75kg to 80kg (steady).
HCG 5000ui – 2 x 50ml per week (Monday, Thursday).

New cycle (5 weeks): (3 injections of roids per week not including HCG)

Avanar 50mg (pro chem brand). 1 per day.
Tamoxifen 20mg 1 per day.
Testcynate 200mg 2mls a week
Propionate 100mg 2 mls a week
Equibol 300mg 2mls a week
Parabolin 75mg 2ml a week
Mixed and taken on Monday, Thursday and Saturday.
HCG 5000ui – 2 x 50ml per week (Monday, Thursday).
Weight went from 80kg to 85kg (steady).

My PT recommended (before I left him) that I don’t to the 4 roid mix and just take tren 200mg or 300mg for 5 weeks.
I am currently following BIB’s diet/exercise programme (its been 1 week) as I am NOT with my PT anymore.

I had blood tests before/after each cycle with my doctor and was told my doctor my test levels ‘are fine’.

I posted this thread up to figure out what was wrong. If not genetics then perhaps something else is wrong. I want to fix it and get results.

Again – if you want pics – I can send you before/after but ONLY VIA PM. Please PM me if you want the pics. Perhaps ‘not changing is in my head’ sure…. But I have shown a couple of people and they agree I don’t look much different (at least not 2 cycles and 6 months of training’s worth).

Crazymike – I’m sorry if I offended you/you felt like I walked out on you but this was not my intention. I didn’t realise you wanted continuous dialog – I will be more careful when posting next time.