Just some reassurance :)

[ninjaman85]

Ok So I just finished my first cycle....YAY ME! started cyc at 172 lbs, and now I am finished at 183 lbs. I made HUGE strength gains! more so from the Test Prop than the 400. I can say that if your thinking of trying Test 400 I wouldn't recommend it, slow slow gains can be a bit frustrating, but as soon as the prop hit the system I was on cloud 9! I am about to start my PCT today.

So since this was a test only cycle at a relatively low dose:

week 1-10: Test 400, 1ml weekly
week 11-13: Test prop, 1ml every other day

PCT: HCG 250iu x2/wk from day 7 up until 10 days prior to PCT
Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day

I am wondering, I know a lot of people are saying for PCT Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20.

But a couple of my friends said that is waaay too much of an aggressive PCT for what I was taking.... any additional points? :P

[bass]

not aggressive at all. maybe do 4 weeks in stead of 5.

[ninjaman85]

Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20. theses are based on a 1/2/3/4 week sort of layout...so that's good then?

[Ctits23]

Ok So I just finished my first cycle....YAY ME! started cyc at 172 lbs, and now I am finished at 183 lbs. I made HUGE strength gains! more so from the Test Prop than the 400. I can say that if your thinking of trying Test 400 I wouldn't recommend it, slow slow gains can be a bit frustrating, but as soon as the prop hit the system I was on cloud 9! I am about to start my PCT today.

So since this was a test only cycle at a relatively low dose:

week 1-10: Test 400, 1ml weekly
week 11-13: Test prop, 1ml every other day

PCT: HCG 250iu x2/wk from day 7 up until 10 days prior to PCT
Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day

I am wondering, I know a lot of people are saying for PCT Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20.

But a couple of my friends said that is waaay too much of an aggressive PCT for what I was taking.... any additional points? :P

11 lb on test means you werent eating and training correcting. most is probably water. anyone should be able to gain 20+ on a cycle with high quality gear and diet and training in check. my guess is your test 400 is fake or extremely underdosed and maybe your prop was legit thats why you felt good. you probably had 3 weeks of legit test and thats it. test 400 is garbage. why well because pharma grade only come in 200 mg/ml and 250 mg/ml with test. pharm grade never go over that mg, ever. yes, UGL work but test 400 i think is junk and cheap. even a well respected UGL will not dose test over 250 mg/ml because they deliver good gear. any test over 250 mg i question very much. red flags go off.

sorry to say but the way you talk about your experience it looks like you only had legit test prop in your system.

[MotoLifter]

most is probably water. anyone should be able to gain 20+ on a cycle with high quality gear and diet and training in check. my guess is your test 400 is fake or extremely underdosed and maybe your prop was legit thats why you felt good. you probably had 3 weeks of legit test and thats it. test 400 is garbage. why well because pharma grade only come in 200 mg/ml and 250 mg/ml with test. pharm grade never go over that mg, ever. yes, UGL work but test 400 i think is junk and cheap. even a well respected UGL will not dose test over 250 mg/ml because they deliver good gear. any test over 250 mg i question very much. red flags go off.

sorry to say but the way you talk about your experience it looks like you only had legit test prop in your system.

interesting conclusions from virtually 0 information. wish I had the same incredible powers of deduction with insufficient information.

[austinite]

Can't stay away, can you, Cal?

[AD]

Can't stay away, can you, Cal?

ctits23=calstate23?

[ninjaman85]

ok so now I am confused.....if I just did only 3 weeks of actual test I don't need to be wasting pct drugs for 4 weeks then?

[AD]

ok so now I am confused.....if I just did only 3 weeks of actual test I don't need to be wasting pct drugs for 4 weeks then?

how sure are you that the test was bunk? i suggest you do the standard 4 wks pct.

[ninjaman85]

I thought 10 pounds was a rather small gain as well, especially when I was super strict on a 3000 cal diet, and pushing myself as much as possible....I just thought maybe my genetics didn't take to the 400 as much??

[AD]

no one knows what I should do? 10 lbs is obviously a bad gain on a first cycle of test as I read more into it. Felt a lot different on prop. So question is, even with just doing 3 weeks of prop I should still do a 4 week pct? this doesn't make sense to me

how sure are you that the test was bunk? i suggest you do the standard 4 wks pct.

this is my suggestion. but you can do whatever you like

[ninjaman85]

Well I don't know, I was struggling to hit 300 on bench all throughout the first while with test 400, but was able to hit it within the second week of prop...I did notice libido and bigger pumps with prop as well....

[ninjaman85]

no one knows what I should do? 10 lbs is obviously a bad gain on a first cycle of test as I read more into it. Felt a lot different on prop. So question is, even with just doing 3 weeks of prop I should still do a 4 week pct? this doesn't make sense to me

[ninjaman85]

I am doing your suggestion AD I wasn't negating your help by all means. Was just wondering if anyone else had some info as to what they think makes me frustrated that people tell me I am supposed to get 20-30 lbs of muscle on first cyc and yet I am here with only 10.... could it be that my body just didn't react much with the 400 as some may have?

[Mp859]

I am doing your suggestion AD I wasn't negating your help by all means. Was just wondering if anyone else had some info as to what they think makes me frustrated that people tell me I am supposed to get 20-30 lbs of muscle on first cyc and yet I am here with only 10.... could it be that my body just didn't react much with the 400 as some may have?

It's probably more of a diet/training issue

[ninjaman85]

Well than I guess I am a little bitch then, because I trained until I had no more gas left in the tank 3 days on 1 day off non stop, drank no alcohol, ate no junk food, ate 3000+ cals a day with 300 g of carbs, 100-110 g of fat, 200-225 g protein....5'9"

[Mp859]

Well than I guess I am a little bitch then, because I trained until I had no more gas left in the tank 3 days on 1 day off non stop, drank no alcohol, ate no junk food, ate 3000+ cals a day with 300 g of carbs, 100-110 g of fat, 200-225 g protein....5'9"

Never was trying I say you were a little bittchh

Maybe you over worked?

Underdosed gear?

Not enough food?

How long have you been training?

Some people's first cycles end up this way. If there gear was legit than there was a flaw in the program.

[AD]

but seriously, there is no way at all that anyone can gain 30lbs of muscle fibers in a cycle. even a cancerous tumor cannot grow so fast. people who put on 30lbs of weight has probably gained 10lbs water, 10lbs fats and maybe 10lbs muscles if they're training correctly.

so i don't know what are you upset about. look in the mirror, if you look better now than before, then your cycle was successful. provided you recover

[ickythump]

look in the mirror, if you look better now than before, then your cycle was successful. provided you recover

THAT should about sum it assuming you were ready for a cycle as far as ive read......

oh and auswest, i cant forum properly with that avatar staring at me lololol

[auswest]

THAT should about sum it assuming you were ready for a cycle as far as ive read...... oh and auswest, i cant forum properly with that avatar staring at me lololol

could watch her doing stiff leg deads all day

[auswest]

If I gained 10lb of muscle in a cycle id be happy as fk, some people gain 30 odd lbs or what ever 9/10 it's mainly fat and water with at best 1/3 being muscle most of which will proberly be lost soon after pct, if you kept your diet clean and kept bloat to a minimum your gains may be quality and keepable, I watch people all the time jump on blow up then come off and deflate it seems to be an ongoing pattern where little progress is made, but let's say each cycle you were to gain 5-10lbs over time that is a lot of damn muscle. You may have even lost body fat so that will also add to your gains.. I would take 10lbs of quality gains over 30lb of bloat/fat/muscle most people who make large gains should not have been using in the first place aswell

As for pct nolva + clomid 4 weeks dosing looks fine starting 3 days after last prop shot as the test400 is allready out of your system.

[ghettoboyd]

honestly the only people that gain 20-30lbs of muscle in a cycle had no reason doing aas in the first place...if you gain that much in 1 cycle then you had no base to start from...if you had a good base to start then 10lbs in a cycle is pretty good imho...

[ninjaman85]

hahaha thanks guys, that makes me feel much better and indeed that is one nice f ing booty! LOL
I did no cardio in my program and ate like I have never ate before and still kept a 6/8ish pack, but there is solid gains of strength there.
I ended on 3 week prop so the 400 is purely out of my system as of yesterday. being 21 days. and last prop was on sunday.
Hopefully I do keep these 10 lbs. Next cycle I am not gonna do long esters, I felt the shorter one had more of an effect on me :P

[ghettoboyd]

hahaha thanks guys, that makes me feel much better and indeed that is one nice f ing booty! LOL
I did no cardio in my program and ate like I have never ate before and still kept a 6/8ish pack, but there is solid gains of strength there.
I ended on 3 week prop so the 400 is purely out of my system as of yesterday. being 21 days. and last prop was on sunday.
Hopefully I do keep these 10 lbs. Next cycle I am not gonna do long esters, I felt the shorter one had more of an effect on me :P

your t400 must have been bunk cus other than how long each ester takes to be effective, test is test and had your t400 been real you would have felt similar effects...trust me you will get tired of pining ed/eod with short esters...if you don't mind that and the fact that eventually you will build up scar tissue if you don't rotate pinning spots then there is nothing wrong with short esters just throwing that out there for your consideration as you have little experience to draw from...good luck...