Is Testosterone King?

[Roger11]

Do you guys agree its the best for overall mass?

I would say tren, but for me it blunts my appetite.

1gram deca Vs 1gram of Test, which would you guys go for?


Ive got about 8 weeks or so left of my bulk and im thinking of upping my test dose from a maintenance dose of 250mg with 800mg of deca and ive dropped the eq as it was average back up to a gram where i was from a few bulks ago. The only problem im facing with high doses of testosterone was The sexual sides were very annoying. I felt like a perv, felt guilty for checking other girls out when im with my girl, very kinky sexual sides. But mind you, i wasnt running an AI so my E2 was obv SKYHIGHHHHHH.

Im on perma TRT But my stats are

5,11
110kg
14ish percent bodyfat

Current cycle is as of now

800 deca
250 test
0.5mg arimidex x 2 per week, 24hrs after injection


Blast and cruise. With bloods every 6-8 weeks .

Cycle experience, ive tried most compounds ranging in doses from 300-700 for tren, and deca up to a gram, test up to a gram, 250-500 etc etc. Eq at 750mg.

[austinite]

Side effects vs. results: nothing builds muscle and chases fat like testosterone.

[ironbeck]

Test is best hands down.

[marcus300]

Test is my lover, wife and my whore. Test makes me complete, its all about using it right and knowing your own body. I could explode out of my skin on test only.

I love test

[kelkel]

Test is my lover, wife and my whore.
I love test

Filthy staff member.....

[austinite]

Filthy staff member.....

agree. Filthy!

[marcus300]

agree. Filthy!

do you want to know what filth really is

[lovbyts]

do you want to know what filth really is

Hazards lust for BIG/Huge butts?

[BG]

Test is my lover, wife and my whore. Test makes me complete, its all about using it right and knowing your own body. I could explode out of my skin on test only.

I love test

Thats all I use now. Never thought I would say this............ever.

[kelkel]

Thats all I use now. Never thought I would say this............ever.

Cause you're getting older and wiser......

[austinite]

Cause you're getting older and wiser......

BG counts his gray hairs. Take it easy...

[clarky.]

It is the base of every cycle you can not do one without it and it is our main hormone so yes test is the king.

[MuscleInk]

Test is best hands down.

Test and mast only here on out. Done with tren and other crap.

[GrimmReaper]

like they always say "test is best", it is the foundation of any cycle I have ran in the past.

[Cuz]

I built damn near everything off test. Test is my savior. I love it.

[Roger11]

How do u guys cope with the sexual sides of high dose test? On 250mg i get barely anything, but on 1gram, sitting down playing a game on xbox or something, i keep thinking about sex and get distracted. Should i just use a bigger AI dose or something?

Someone told me to try 5HTP. Austinite what do you think about that?

[austinite]

How do u guys cope with the sexual sides of high dose test? On 250mg i get barely anything, but on 1gram, sitting down playing a game on xbox or something, i keep thinking about sex and get distracted. Should i just use a bigger AI dose or something?

Someone told me to try 5HTP. Austinite what do you think about that?

lol. Masterbate. 5htp isn't going to do anything.

[Roger11]

lol. Masterbate. 5htp isn't going to do anything.

lol.

What exacty does 5htp do?

Do you know of anything that will help relieve the sexual sides from high dose test?

[austinite]

lol.

What exacty does 5htp do?

Do you know of anything that will help relieve the sexual sides from high dose test?

5-HTP converts serotonin so you "feel better", but at night it will also move to Melatonin, making you sleepy. Tryptophan is better.

Try Vitex Angus and report back. lol.

[Deequarius]

How do u guys cope with the sexual sides of high dose test? On 250mg i get barely anything, but on 1gram, sitting down playing a game on xbox or something, i keep thinking about sex and get distracted. Should i just use a bigger AI dose or something? Someone told me to try 5HTP. Austinite what do you think about that?

I just find a girl that's down. Get a friends with benefits. With how much you'll want to hit it. I'm on cycle and I want to plow almost every girl I see like an Amish field. Lol

[kelkel]

Finding a woman comes to mind. A willing one that is....

[Roger11]

Will do Aus, cheers.

Haha Kelkel, ive been with my women for 3 years, soon to hopefully be engaged next year overseas. Still deciding where.

Just on high dose test, every women becomes attractive and i want to root every one of them. Not a good thought or feeling when your in a R/S. But saying that, a gram of test put good mass on me, so yeh, in a bit of a dilemma.

Only problem i face, is the constant sexual thoughts, wierd kinky shit. Paranoia, and anxiety if my missus ever asked me if i wanted to do a 3sum or something. Just dumb shit like that, that i know i would never partake in or she would.

[David LoPan]

Will do Aus, cheers.

Haha Kelkel, ive been with my women for 3 years, soon to hopefully be engaged next year overseas. Still deciding where.

Just on high dose test, every women becomes attractive and i want to root every one of them. Not a good thought or feeling when your in a R/S. But saying that, a gram of test put good mass on me, so yeh, in a bit of a dilemma.

Only problem i face, is the constant sexual thoughts, wierd kinky shit. Paranoia, and anxiety if my missus ever asked me if i wanted to do a 3sum or something. Just dumb shit like that, that i know i would never partake in or she would.

If the wife will offer a 3 some make sure its with another girl and take her up on that. Or you will be hearing "you had your chance" for a very long time

[Roger11]

If the wife will offer a 3 some make sure its with another girl and take her up on that. Or you will be hearing "you had your chance" for a very long time

No mate. Not even going to joke about it either.

Will never ever do anything like that.

[lovbyts]

No mate. Not even going to joke about it either.

Will never ever do anything like that.

Good idea, I say make it a 4 some, 3 girls and you. If your going to do it make it worth while. Ahh the good ole days.

[Roger11]

Thread derailed much guys?

[lovbyts]

Thread derailed much guys?

If a thread posted and responded by a bunch of guys who are taking excessive amounts of testosterone doesn't eventually turn towards sexual discussion then something is defiantly wrong.

I had to restrain myself from posting one of my pictures with 2 or 3 girls at the same time.

Well you did get quite a few answers and I agree, test is king since none of the others are any good without test.

[Roger11]

If a thread posted and responded by a bunch of guys who are taking excessive amounts of testosterone doesn't eventually turn towards sexual discussion then something is defiantly wrong.

Well you did get quite a few answers and I agree, test is king since none of the others are any good without test.

Lol.

Well, what about 1gram of deca, Vs 1 gram of test. What would win?

What do people prefer? Anyone have any studies of deca vs test?

[lovbyts]

Lol.

Well, what about 1gram of deca, Vs 1 gram of test. What would win?

What do people prefer? Anyone have any studies of deca vs test?

Again test wins because if you take one gram of Deca and no test you might get good gains but the sides wont be worth it such as the dreaded Deca dick.

He's not alone in that lust . It's why my girl is Dominican lmao

Yeah I remember that and it's all good because it leave more firm little Asian butts for me.

[Docd187123]

Yeah I remember that and it's all good because it leave more firm little Asian butts for me.

Lmfao. You and MI are one in the same hahahaha. I like a butt that keeps jiggling for a few seconds after you stop playing with it but Austin says the girls I like are fat

That you in the pic? I may have to PM you one of my girl hahaha

[davesah1]

test is a requirement and foundation, but assuming you already had test had as a base. High dose test 750mgs+ or 300mgs + tren?

Solo yes it is the kind bc its necessary, but they're are more powerful anabololics IMO.

[MuscleInk]

Lmfao. You and MI are one in the same hahahaha. I like a butt that keeps jiggling for a few seconds after you stop playing with it but Austin says the girls I like are fat

That you in the pic? I may have to PM you one of my girl hahaha

Great minds think alike. Bring on the asian invasion!!!

[Chicagotarsier]

I am no vet of taking the substances. My two cents is anything that is less estrogen production is better. Testosterone is tasty but the big E is the only complication with steroids I seem to have. The thing about that is it is the same issue EVERYONE has. That plus the HPTA thing but that is neither here or there..you are going to shut down HPTA.

My math says you can do 800 NPP, 400 Tren, 200 Test 100 anavar for the same E hit as 400 Test.

400 test vs 200 test, 800 NPP, 400 Tren, 100 Anavar....... No competition. So far on this cycle just mentioned I have met every EVERY expected LBM and fat loss expectation in a month that I would have had for a 20 week cycle of 400-600 test.

Test might be for you and you might say it is the best thing since sliced bread. For me AIs required for a 500 test cycle make me feel like crap.

[austinite]

I am no vet of taking the substances. My two cents is anything that is less estrogen production is better. Testosterone is tasty but the big E is the only complication with steroids I seem to have. The thing about that is it is the same issue EVERYONE has. That plus the HPTA thing but that is neither here or there..you are going to shut down HPTA.

My math says you can do 800 NPP, 400 Tren, 200 Test 100 anavar for the same E hit as 400 Test.

400 test vs 200 test, 800 NPP, 400 Tren, 100 Anavar....... No competition. So far on this cycle just mentioned I have met every EVERY expected LBM and fat loss expectation in a month that I would have had for a 20 week cycle of 400-600 test.

Test might be for you and you might say it is the best thing since sliced bread. For me AIs required for a 500 test cycle make me feel like crap.

huh? This confused me. E2 management is the easiest thing on earth. What issues do you have with E2? I'm probably misunderstanding but I can't seem to make out what you're trying to say with that comparison.

[Chicagotarsier]

E2 can lead to gyno
E2 can lead to bloat
E2 can lead to lethatgic attitude

E2 basically is the gate keeper for 90% of all bad things associated with steroids. How do you control E2? With AI. What is AI? Cancer medication. AIs are far more harsh on the system than most steroids when you read the clinical trials of Adex and such. SERMS were the way to handle the issues with E2 for a very long time then someone said..Hey..these cancer meds reduce E2!! Let's take these! So my issue with E2 is

1. AIs in general being sold as "just an estrogen reducer"
2. The whole concept of controlling E2 pre AIs pre-Testosterone (Taking non-converting compounds) just being tossed out the window and a blanket "Testosterone is AWESOME" being put out there.

After reading the research on Adex I felt like I did after watching the Shining in the theater the first time lol. How it works and what it does other than lower E2 is not covered in any detail in pretty much any conversation or posts. HOW to use it is but the nuts and bolts not so much.

huh? This confused me. E2 management is the easiest thing on earth. What issues do you have with E2? I'm probably misunderstanding but I can't seem to make out what you're trying to say with that comparison.

[auswest]

I am no vet of taking the substances. My two cents is anything that is less estrogen production is better. Testosterone is tasty but the big E is the only complication with steroids I seem to have. The thing about that is it is the same issue EVERYONE has. That plus the HPTA thing but that is neither here or there..you are going to shut down HPTA.

My math says you can do 800 NPP, 400 Tren, 200 Test 100 anavar for the same E hit as 400 Test.

400 test vs 200 test, 800 NPP, 400 Tren, 100 Anavar....... No competition. So far on this cycle just mentioned I have met every EVERY expected LBM and fat loss expectation in a month that I would have had for a 20 week cycle of 400-600 test.

Test might be for you and you might say it is the best thing since sliced bread. For me AIs required for a 500 test cycle make me feel like crap.

If I read that right you just compared results of stacking 4 different compounds totalling over 1.5grams a week of gear to 400mg of test a week...... what on earth are you talking about?

[Chicagotarsier]

As said....

ESTROGEN is the major negative of taking steroids.

Testosterone converts to estrogen at a very high rate when compared to other compounds.

You can take a lot more of other substances, take less of an estrogen hit, and get a butt-ton more results.

If I read that right you just compared results of stacking 4 different compounds totalling over 1.5grams a week of gear to 400mg of test a week...... what on earth are you talking about?

[austinite]

As said....

ESTROGEN is the major negative of taking steroids.

Testosterone converts to estrogen at a very high rate when compared to other compounds.

You can take a lot more of other substances, take less of an estrogen hit, and get a butt-ton more results.

Yeah I still don't get it. You think nearly a gram of NPP won't impact your e2 levels at all? If anything, that cycle comparison is a recipe for gynecomastia.

Really strange, Chicago. I like a lot of your posts, but this one threw me for a loop.

[Chicagotarsier]

On 200 test vs 700 NPP 400 tren and 200 test and 100 anavar my E2 was 5% higher. Tren does not convert. Deca at 10-20% of test conversion. Anavar seems to have none if any conversion.

So a basic conversion would be

You can take 1000 NPP or 200 Test and get the same E2 hit.

This was the core of Golden Age lifter usage of substances. Why Primo (a weaker substance) was used by so many at such high doses at that time...little to no conversion.

I realize my thoughts are against current mantra.

[lovbyts]

On 200 test vs 700 NPP 400 tren and 200 test and 100 anavar my E2 was 5% higher. Tren does not convert. Deca at 10-20% of test conversion. Anavar seems to have none if any conversion.

So a basic conversion would be

You can take 1000 NPP or 200 Test and get the same E2 hit.

This was the core of Golden Age lifter usage of substances. Why Primo (a weaker substance) was used by so many at such high doses at that time...little to no conversion.

I realize my thoughts are against current mantra.

That may be true for you and I hope you are checking blood work but it's FAR from the case for me. Even on TRT my E2 runs high. On cycle 2x mine Sensitive Estradiol was 379 range 3-70 and free test was only 53 range 7.2-24.
Another time my Sensitive Estradiol was 295 and Free test was 34.

Obviously not everyone is the same and the only way to know is by testing blood work. I had no physical sides that I noticed.

Remember most RX have more than one treatment and most all effect more than one symptom or side effect. Cialis was created to treat blood pressure but had a more marketable side effect.